Bosh-to-CHI

[shrink]

For you guys that look the other way on Hinrich's contract, this trade could increase the chances we deal for him.

The Bulls need pieces to acquire Bosh (and probably Kapono's bad contract). Hinrich is no fit, with Calderon on the team for four more years. MIN could convert him to something they want, to make the trade happen. they could also provide a TPE, which would be extremely valuable to TOR, to get them farther under their salary cap.

If the Raptors still like Miller, perhaps we can get some 2010 assets by converting a CHI unproductive expiring into MM for TOR?

I'll play around with this tomorrow, but I wanted to toss the MIN-spin up tonight, or the phone calls I would be making if I was in the Wolves front office.

[Devilzsidewalk]

are you saying a basis 3way of hinrich to mn, mike miller to toronto, bosh to chicago? (and obviously chicago would be sending a ton of other stuff to toronto)

[shrink]

are you saying a basis 3way of hinrich to mn, mike miller to toronto, bosh to chicago? (and obviously chicago would be sending a ton of other stuff to toronto)

I hope not, but that's one way it could be done.

Personally, I wouldn't give up an expiring for Hinrich, especially a productive one, but I feel I am in the minority on that position.

[prefuse73]

other than Gomes and Telfair, we don't have any contract (that we want to move) that isn't an expiring. I just would rather use a Cardinal/Madsen/Telfair package to get Hinrich. But if we are helping them get Chris Bosh and we include a Mike Miller expiring... perhaps we can get Noah out of all this.

[Devilzsidewalk]

I don't think Chicago even has the ammo to get Bosh, if I'm Toronto there's no way I'm centering a trade around Deng, Noah or TT

[shrink]

I don't think Chicago even has the ammo to get Bosh, if I'm Toronto there's no way I'm centering a trade around Deng, Noah or TT

I thought this post might be interesting here:

In short, Chicago doesn't need us.

It depends.

I think its a safe assumption here that if TOR is trading Bosh, its because they don't think he'll re-sign with the Raptors next year. If that's so, we don't know what their direction is.

If all they want is to erase his salary, then sure, the Bulls can do that.

However, if the goal is not to rebuild, but reload, MIN is a great third team alternative. I haven't worked out all the mechanics here but imagine this rough offer from CHI for Bosh:

TOR GETS: Tim Thomas (exp) + Jerome James (exp) + Tyrus Thomas + #16 for Bosh

they might like that .. but if they are reloading, they may prefer

MIN GETS: Tim Thomas (exp) + Jerome James (exp) + #16
TOR GETS: Mike Miller (exp) + Bobby Brown + $3 mil TPE + Tyrus Thomas

Key here is not just Miller's production, but they could prefer $3 mil in cap space to $5 mil in off-the-books insurance, because the team is already under the salary cap. This means the $3 mil is raw cap space for them.


Now I know that TPE's are created, not traded, and that a final deal probably has CHI eating Jason Kapono's bad deal, so this is an incomplete deal. But what I'm trying to demonstrate that depending on what TOR has planned for next season, its quite possible that MIN could slide itself in to facillitate this deal.

[Basti]

^ even though Bosh has his flaws I think this trade offer isn't close to being equal valuewise. if we somehow should get involved into this I'd sure as hell be the hardliner to let them know it's not gonna happen without a 3rd party. if they want to get it done, listen to our requests or find another team.

[Sever82]

are you saying a basis 3way of hinrich to mn, mike miller to toronto, bosh to chicago? (and obviously chicago would be sending a ton of other stuff to toronto)

I hope not, but that's one way it could be done.

Personally, I wouldn't give up an expiring for Hinrich, especially a productive one, but I feel I am in the minority on that position.

ha ha yes, you're pretty much in the minority. You can poll several GMs (even yours) if they would take in Hinrich's contract for an expiring deal and they would definitely say yes. I'm in the minority in bulls fans but maybe not after the playoff series with Boston. The bulls played better with hinrich on the floor than gordon and i feel hinrich is more valuable than gordon. He's a good shooter, above average defense (Maybe one of the best defending guards in the league) and he's no doubt a good leader. I personally hope the bulls keep him and let gordon go. Rose can learn a lot from him.

[john2jer]

are you saying a basis 3way of hinrich to mn, mike miller to toronto, bosh to chicago? (and obviously chicago would be sending a ton of other stuff to toronto)

I hope not, but that's one way it could be done.

Personally, I wouldn't give up an expiring for Hinrich, especially a productive one, but I feel I am in the minority on that position.

ha ha yes, you're pretty much in the minority. You can poll several GMs (even yours) if they would take in Hinrich's contract for an expiring deal and they would definitely say yes. I'm in the minority in bulls fans but maybe not after the playoff series with Boston. The bulls played better with hinrich on the floor than gordon and i feel hinrich is more valuable than gordon. He's a good shooter, above average defense (Maybe one of the best defending guards in the league) and he's no doubt a good leader. I personally hope the bulls keep him and let gordon go. Rose can learn a lot from him.

Please start a petition to keep him in Chicago, then.

[skorff26]

If Toronto would accept that deal, then a dozen other teams would put together better deals for Bosh.

Unless Chicago includes Rose (not going to happen), they don't have the assets to trade for Bosh.

[Sever82]

If Toronto would accept that deal, then a dozen other teams would put together better deals for Bosh.

Unless Chicago includes Rose (not going to happen), they don't have the assets to trade for Bosh.

The bulls do have the assets to trade for Bosh. In a trade for Bosh, the team trading for him has to consider two thing:

1) Am I giving up a lot
2) If i trade for him, will he resign here

Which is I think you can cancel out Memphis out of the possible group of suitors which is Memphis, NY, Miami and Chicago. Toronto has a probably signing FA and keeping their own and they're not hurting financially. If they feel they can't resign bosh, i dont think they'll attempt to resign Marion because Marion is older. I could see them wanting Deng (Yes his contract is terrible but he's locked up). I wouldn't put it past the bulls to offer Deng, Thomas, 16th and 26h pick plus next year's 1st round pick for Bosh. It probably wont be the best package but the only other team that wants him that can offer something better is Miami but they would have to include beasley. I think the best Chance at a PF the bulls have through trade is Amare because of the expiring contract they have, the style of play the Suns run which suits Tyrus.