Since when is Rondo's attitude a problem?

U2larkin04 · Post #1 » by **U2larkin04** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:30 pm

I know, I'm sorry, another post about Rajon! But I've been hearing everywhere that Rajon has attitude problems? I thought I had always heard the opposite of this, I thought I had heard Doc saying he was a great leader in the locker room as well? When did all of this start?

greenbeans · Post #2 » by **greenbeans** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:42 pm

When he was in college is the first I heard of it. Him and Tubby Smith had a few runins.

Celts17Pride · Post #3 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:47 pm

Since when people are looking for justification to support their stupid trade ideas.

Dave_From_NB · Post #4 » by **Dave_From_NB** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:49 pm

Well, theres a bunch of clues that he's either a twit or a problem. Nice quote from him last week that he doesn't show up too far ahead of time before games because he doesn't want to waste his time. Worst free throw shooting guard in some years, he said last week he hasn't touched a ball since the season ended. Feels bad at the start of a game last year because the food he ate immediately before the game was too spicy. I can't imagine the coaches are telling him to show up whenever he wants, that not practicing his free throw shooting is ok, and that it's good preparation to eat take-out food immediately before going on the court. If the coaches are actually saying that, my appologies to Rondo, and my request to Ainge to fire the whole damn bunch of them.

Kefa461 · Post #5 » by **Kefa461** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:56 pm

No one is making this stuff up......it's real. It's his process.....the question is this....does it bother the Celtic organization enough to try to get him to change his process or will they trade him or will they live with his process.

8-)

Mahoney_jr · Post #6 » by **Mahoney_jr** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:46 pm

His attitude is not that bad... somebody let this rumor fly to the papers because he wanted to diminish the market value of Rondo.

IF Rondo get's traded, it's not because of chemistry reasons but because of financial and roster quality reasons.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #7 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:00 pm

It's a problem, for me at least, in that he seems to think his game is great as-is, when his pathetic jump-shooting and poor FT shooting make him a liability...

Hemingway · Post #8 » by **Hemingway** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:26 pm

It is his attitude and personality that translate into energy and intensity on the court. From a lot of reports on MJ, he had an attitude and was somewhat of a jerk but he won and Rondo is winning for us too.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #9 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:48 pm

Hemingway wrote:It is his attitude and personality that translate into energy and intensity on the court. From a lot of reports on MJ, he had an attitude and was somewhat of a jerk but he won and Rondo is winning for us too.

Jordan WORKED on his game, as did Bird, another guy with an attitude...

kmgarnett21 · Post #10 » by **kmgarnett21** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:54 pm

Well, I can recall when there were reports of KG staying after every practice every day to rebound for Rondo so he could practice his shot for a few hours AFTER or BEFORE practice. Whatever happened to that?

So from one season to the next, he's a hard worker then all of a sudden he's a slob who eats taco bell volcano burritos 15 minutes prior to tip? I don't think so. This all seems like bull to me.

GuyClinch · Post #11 » by **GuyClinch** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:25 pm

This whole thing reminds me of the Nomar deal. Nomar was suddenly being attacked left and right in the papers and then he was traded. I heard the rumblings when he at Kentucky but mostly blamed Smith. Now we are hearing alot more..

That being said while they might not love Rondo's personality you have to respect his talent. So they aren't going to move him for garbage. If we get low ball offers he isn't going anywhere.

Dave_From_NB · Post #12 » by **Dave_From_NB** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:43 pm

kmgarnett21 wrote:Well, I can recall when there were reports of KG staying after every practice every day to rebound for Rondo so he could practice his shot for a few hours AFTER or BEFORE practice. Whatever happened to that?

So from one season to the next, he's a hard worker then all of a sudden he's a slob who eats taco bell volcano burritos 15 minutes prior to tip? I don't think so. This all seems like bull to me.

His game day preparation and summer so far was discussed by him on WEEI last week and subsequently in RealgGM:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=915284

I don't remember what the specific game or games were with Rondo, slow starts, and spicy food, but that isn't made up, and there are references to it in multiple blogs, forums, etc..

As others have said, perhaps it's not a big distraction, and goodness knows some strange attitude guys like Rodman have had success in the NBA.

tombattor · Post #13 » by **tombattor** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:12 pm

MyInsatiableOne wrote:It's a problem, for me at least, in that he seems to think his game is great as-is, when his pathetic jump-shooting and poor FT shooting make him a liability...

Exactly. He's such a liability, yet he doesn't seem to realize this... We gotta get him out while his value is still high.

GreenDreamer · Post #14 » by **GreenDreamer** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:33 pm

GuyClinch wrote:This whole thing reminds me of the Nomar deal. Nomar was suddenly being attacked left and right in the papers and then he was traded. I heard the rumblings when he at Kentucky but mostly blamed Smith. Now we are hearing alot more..

That being said while they might not love Rondo's personality you have to respect his talent. So they aren't going to move him for garbage. If we get low ball offers he isn't going anywhere.

Yeah, well Kentucky blamed Smith too, evidently, as he got canned the year after Rondo left. Evidently his team wasn't as good without his "liability" at the point. Found out that Rondo' points, assists, rebounds and defense didn't get replaced by having a better jump shooter at the point.

I was thinking the same thing about Nomar, though. Personally I think this all comes down to Doc and his idiotic offensive philosophy. This team won a Title on its defense, which was masterminded by Thibodeau, and the offense, Doc's baby, was barely good enough to cash in on that huge defensive advantage.

He never wanted Rondo. He wanted a guy who could stand in the corner and knock down a three. Rondo is basically a smaller/speedier version of Jason Kidd (just check the numbers out at the same age, they are scary similar) and Doc "believes in his offensive philosophy". Hell, he still thinks that his "offensive lineup" doesn't have Rondo out there, even though it was proven again and again this season that the team's offense is crap ("even crappier" may be a more accurate term) when Rondo is not out there.

Personally I think the Doc is not that good of a coach, and is a stubborn jackass in many respects. He has won two COY awards, and I don't think that he deserved either of them. The first one was because he got a team of "nobodies" to a .500 in a weak East... and it turned out that the team had a lot of somebodies, they just weren't well known yet. Just check out that roster. The second award should have had Thobodeau's name engraved on it, because he was the brain behind it.

GuyClinch · Post #15 » by **GuyClinch** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:18 pm

Personally I think the Doc is not that good of a coach, and is a stubborn jackass in many respects. He has won two COY awards, and I don't think that he deserved either of them. The first one was because he got a team of "nobodies" to a .500 in a weak East... and it turned out that the team had a lot of somebodies, they just weren't well known yet. Just check out that roster. The second award should have had Thobodeau's name engraved on it, because he was the brain behind it

Doc is not just a good coach - he played in the NBA. He knows how to win at the NBA level, and he badly outcoached Phil Jackson last year. What your griping about is that you don't like Doc's philosophy behind winning. He doesn't necessarily gravitate towards those most exciting players. That being said I am not at all sure he is the driving force in wanting to getting rid of Rondo.

I don't think its personal - it's just business. The C's put some number on what they think Rondo is worth in their system - and Rondo's agent wants more money. His agent is probably right and Rondo could get that money. So the next logical move is a trade.

What's lost here is that almost all the posters like Rondo as a player. It's just don't like him at his projected salary. It's the same with say Kirk Hinrich. The guy is a perfectly fine NBA player - and would be very popular on the Celtics (and with the fans) but not at 10 million per year.

I have been persuaded. When I first thought about Rondo I figured you know maybe 5-7 million per for a new deal. But seeing the numbers that other PGs make - yes he will command 10-12 million or more! Heck he might score more in another system where he was given green light to hoist up more shots.

Personally I think if your building around Rondo you want a team of high fliers who love to run the court. Rondo is wasted in a half court system like the C's run. Rondo is wasted in the motion offense that Doc likes to run.

Pete

Al-Haqq · Post #16 » by **Al-Haqq** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:34 pm

His attitude is not a problem.

There WAS a time when his team mates didn't like playing with him seasons ago but he's learning on how to win, as Doc Rivers put it.

Moreover any move including Rondo would be, as DA said to improve this basketball team. No other reasons.

People can have fun gossiping about rumours and how his attitude is a problem, but in reality it isn't.

kmgarnett21 · Post #17 » by **kmgarnett21** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:39 pm

I LOVE Rondo, like most here, and would hate to see him go, but if he is going to demand 12 mil a year, I agree we need to get rid of him ONLY IF we get equal or greater value in return. Rondo is our PG of the present AND the future and he almost made the All-Star team last year in his 3rd season, AND he's still improving by leaps and bounds. How amazing is he to be scoring 20 points in the playoffs and half of us here can shoot better from 15 feet and out? Do you realize how freakishly good that is considering he "can't shoot?"

IF we part ways with Rondo, we BETTER get greater value in return, or else it'll be a huge mistake. It hopefully will be a blockbuster deal. Even though I HATE the idea of trading away our starting championship backcourt, if Rondo is going to be demanding that much money, and if we can get a great player or two in return, then so be it. But we better not "DUMP" Rondo for garbage.

Al-Haqq · Post #18 » by **Al-Haqq** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:46 pm

What makes you think he's going to ask for $12 mil a year? Is there sources I'm unaware of.

I'm just glad DA hasn't got plans - or so it seems - to keep RAY around. He needs to go. I would love to get Mike Miller in return.

U2larkin04 · Post #19 » by **U2larkin04** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:40 pm

i hope some of those people who think Rondo has an attitude problem aren't the same one's hoping we land Iverson...

MyInsatiableOne · Post #20 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:24 pm

U2larkin04 wrote:i hope some of those people who think Rondo has an attitude problem aren't the same one's hoping we land Iverson...

No ****... :roll: