Golden State/Phoenix Compromise

[turk3d]

Here's another interesting variation on the Amare trade (although I don't know I'd do this, Phoenix might find it more appealing):

The original trade (except this time we include Curry)

Biedrins, Wright, Bellinelli and Curry for Amare
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=5176223

Claxton for Barbosa
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=5176222

Phoenix wants Curry so bad, they give up Barbosa to compensate for getting Curry. They save some additional money on Barbosa's contract. This should make Kerr (and the fans) reasonably happy. May be too much but I think that even though Barbosa probably isn't a great fit for the Ws, he'd be a superb backup for Monta and provide some insurance should Monta get injured again. I'm not crazy about it, but it's just an idea.

Even though I realize that most GS and Phoenix fans won't like it, this is a compromise which might satisfy the FOs (who are really the ones who will be making the final decision as to whether or not this deal goes through).

Phoenix gets Curry (who they seem to be s high on) plus Claxton (an expiring who saves them Barbosa's contract which should please the owner in is cost-cutting program) but give up Barbosa (who becomes redundant anyway) if they keep Nash and are really as high on Curry as they claim. Furthermore, in addition to Nash, they still have J-Rich, Dudley, Tucker, Pavlovic and Dragic to meet all of their backcourt requirementss. They save almost 15 M on Barbosa's contract.

Warriors fans probably don't like the idea of Barbosa because he's too similar to Ellis.

[gswhoops]

Why would we want Barbosa > Curry?

[Smills91]

Why would we want Barbosa > Curry?

You wouldn't, but it's a compromise. The idea is that you'd want want Amare+Barbosa more than you'd want Curry/Biedrins/Wright/Bellinelli.

I think that's a lot to give. But I think Curry needs to be apart of the deal for Amare to go to GS.

Something like Curry/Biedrins/Filler(Buike probably) makes more sense IMO.

[gswhoops]

I don't think Curry needs to be involved at all. If Phoenix doesn't like Biedrins/Wright/Belinelli, they can go find a better offer.

[turk3d]

My point here is that if Phoenix feels they absolutely have to have Curry to make this deal go, then they'd need to give back Barbosa to make things even which would be a fair deal imo. The Warriors could then trade Barbosa (I suppose) or Monta if they decide to later on. Like I said, it's just an idea. It's really up to the FO but seems somewhat reasonable and a possible way to break up the stalemate that seems to currently exist on both sides.

[Smills91]

I don't think Curry needs to be involved at all. If Phoenix doesn't like Biedrins/Wright/Belinelli, they can go find a better offer.

Or remain at the status quo, which is what I think they'd do. I know you love Biedrins, but he's a two trick pony. A nice piece next to a couple stars. He's no star you build your team around. Curry can potentially be a beta star, whereas Amare(even though I personally don't like his game) has shown he can be one of those alpha stars a team builds around.

Curry/Biedrins/Filler for Amare/Barbosa looks like a good deal for both teams on paper as one 'trying' to be a neutral fan of either team.

[Stix]

as a PHX fan, i barely do the Amare deal WITH Curry in it... adding Barbosa (whom we hold in very high value) is just waaaay to much. Not much of a compromise.

[turk3d]

You're not just getting Curry, you're getting Claxton's expiring (which could turn into just 20% this year should he have to retire which is quite possible). Barbosa is due another 7.6 Million (player option) next year which you will be saving as well and if you keep Nash (which I understand the plan is) he becomes redundant with your current roster and now Curry.

[Stix]

^ if we keep Nash it would be to compete... which makes dumping Barbosa illogical.

[turk3d]

You know your FO better than I do.

[old rem]

What can I say..it is only making a bad idea worse as GSW as Barbosa won't be useful as a PG...the point of drafting Curry..was to play POINT. Barbosa is just another smallish SG. This adds to the whole picture of GSW abandoning a lot of GOOD CONTRACT....YOUNG...DEPTH....which is what we want,to bring in more BIG CONTRACTS.....at the expense of depth and youth.

Just say no.

Let the Warrior's young core stay intact and stay put. Grow a team from the roots and set aside the urge to shortcut the process and reboot every year. Amare and Barbosa are all they will ever be and that left the Suns short of the playoffs,even with Nash,Shaq and J Rich. Biedrins,Wright,Curry,Belinnelli (and whatever else) still are on the rise and getting better every year.
Why give the Suns the youth and depth they need AND the $$ break they need? Better would be instead of Barbosa,the Suns send Clark and a Rd 1. Even that is GSW turning bad idea into worse idea.

[turk3d]

What can I say..it is only making a bad idea worse as GSW as Barbosa won't be useful as a PG...the point of drafting Curry..was to play POINT. Barbosa is just another smallish SG. This adds to the whole picture of GSW abandoning a lot of GOOD CONTRACT....YOUNG...DEPTH....which is what we want,to bring in more BIG CONTRACTS.....at the expense of depth and youth.

Just say no.

Let the Warrior's young core stay intact and stay put. Grow a team from the roots and set aside the urge to shortcut the process and reboot every year. Amare and Barbosa are all they will ever be and that left the Suns short of the playoffs,even with Nash,Shaq and J Rich. Biedrins,Wright,Curry,Belinnelli (and whatever else) still are on the rise and getting better every year.
Why give the Suns the youth and depth they need AND the $$ break they need? Better would be instead of Barbosa,the Suns send Clark and a Rd 1. Even that is GSW turning bad idea into worse idea.

Cause we have a big fat 'tard running our ship.

[bhw326]

here is another version of the deal:

TO NYK:
Stephen Curry
6-3 PG from Davidson
No games yet played in 2008-2009
Marco Belinelli
6-6 SG from Italy
8.4 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 2.0 apg in 20.0 minutes

TO PHO:
Cuttino Mobley
6-4 SG from Rhode Island
13.7 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 1.1 apg in 33.1 minutes

S/T David Lee

TO GSW:
Amare Stoudemire
6-10 PF from Cypress Creek (HS)
21.4 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.8 minutes


Feedback.........

[gswhoops]

^^ Doesn't even come close to working cap wise, but I love it for GS. Phoenix gets reamed beyond belief though.

[Nicky Nix Nook]

Am I the only one who thinks that all these Warrior trades are overpaying?

[Nicky Nix Nook]

I don't think Curry needs to be involved at all. If Phoenix doesn't like Biedrins/Wright/Belinelli, they can go find a better offer.

+1

[turk3d]

here is another version of the deal:

TO NYK:
Stephen Curry
6-3 PG from Davidson
No games yet played in 2008-2009
Marco Belinelli
6-6 SG from Italy
8.4 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 2.0 apg in 20.0 minutes

TO PHO:
Cuttino Mobley
6-4 SG from Rhode Island
13.7 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 1.1 apg in 33.1 minutes

S/T David Lee

TO GSW:
Amare Stoudemire
6-10 PF from Cypress Creek (HS)
21.4 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.8 minutes


Feedback.........

You don't say who the Warriors give up (forgot maybe?).

[gswhoops]

Am I the only one who thinks that all these Warrior trades are overpaying?

No, you're not.

[CellarDoor]

here is another version of the deal:

TO NYK:
Stephen Curry
6-3 PG from Davidson
No games yet played in 2008-2009
Marco Belinelli
6-6 SG from Italy
8.4 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 2.0 apg in 20.0 minutes

TO PHO:
Cuttino Mobley
6-4 SG from Rhode Island
13.7 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 1.1 apg in 33.1 minutes

S/T David Lee

TO GSW:
Amare Stoudemire
6-10 PF from Cypress Creek (HS)
21.4 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.8 minutes


Feedback.........

I'm just curious...do you actually consider trades for other teams before proposing them?

[don nelson]

Am I the only one who thinks that all these Warrior trades are overpaying?

No, you're not.

+1