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Smills91 wrote:Kings deal: Beno Udrih/Created TPE
Kings receive: Rafer Alston/Trenton Hassell/Krylo Fesenko

Jazz deal:
Carlos Boozer/Kryrlo Fesenko
Jazz receive:
Tony Battie/Sean Williams/1st round pick - lotto protected

Nets deal: Rafer Alston/Trenton Hassell/Sean Williams/Tony Battie
Nets receive: Carlos Boozer/Beno Udrih

Kings give the Nets some cap space to offer Utah in return for Beno/Alston swap and take on Hassell and his contract and get a back-up big man for their roster.
Nets grab Boozer and get a solid back-up replacement behind Harris
Jazz deal Boozer's contract away, gain some cap space and savings while also getting a couple bigs to fill the void created by Boozer's departure.

Kings:
C: Hawes, Fesenko
PF: Thompson, May, Brockman, Thomas
SF: Nocioni, Greene, Casspi
SG: Martin, Garcia, Hassell
PG: Evans, Alston, SRod

Nets:
C: Lopez, Boone
PF: Boozer, Yi, Najera
SF: Williams, Simmons, Hayes
SG: Lee, CDR, Dooling
PG: Harris, Udrih

Jazz:
C: Okur, Battie, Koufos
PF: Millsap, S. Williams
SF: AK-47, Korver, Harpring
SG: Brewer, Miles
PG: D. Williams, Price, Maynor

Doesn't work in the CBA (Kings side) and whose pick is that 1st that Utah receives?

Even if the Jazz don't have a ton of leverage right now, they can likely get a better deal than this. Plus I also don't think the Nets would want to send out that package because, though mediocre, cuts into a lot of our veteran depth. They'd likely offer Simmons, Hassel, Sean. This doesn't really cut salary for Utah though, which is a prime objective of there since the OP and my deal involves contract that are mostly guaranteed.

Where is this pick coming from anyway?

No to Beno. No to the Kings' involvement at all in this deal. No from the Nets.

you made doogie howser kill himself.

Here's the thing with Boozer trades. The Jazz aren't looking to dump him for just cap relief alone. The Jazz will take him into the season if they don't receive a good offer that would center around a mid-range talented backup pf to Millsap ( Ty Thomas, Carl Landry, etc..) and another mid-range prospect or future 1st rd pick. The Jazz aren't looking for 100% return on Boozer, but aren't going to accept less than a 70% return. This offer is around 40%. Battie is probably actually more worthwhile than Williams is, and that's not saying a lot...

The Jazz aren't looking to dump him for just cap relief alone.

How on earth can you say that as if you know it to be true? I think that most of us think that the Jazz would have preferred it if Boozer did opt out- that both implies he has negative trade value and also implies that the Jazz absolutely would prefer cap relief alone to Boozer.

I guarantee you that the Jazz won't pay to be rid of him.

killbuckner wrote:

The Jazz aren't looking to dump him for just cap relief alone.

How on earth can you say that as if you know it to be true? I think that most of us think that the Jazz would have preferred it if Boozer did opt out- that both implies he has negative trade value and also implies that the Jazz absolutely would prefer cap relief alone to Boozer.

Depends how MUCH cap relief. Every trade, every single one, involves a certain balance of talent against money. There is a certain threshold where the savings do not balance out the loss of talent. How much money would the Jazz have to save in order to take back unwanted parts? $1M? $4M? $5M? Nobody really knows. But the idea that the Jazz would take back junk just to save a few bucks has not yet been proven.

The more we save, the less talent we would demand. But nobody knows where that threshold is. Yes, we would prefer that he opted out (thus taking his WHOLE salary) off the books. That doesn't mean we'll accept any crap package that saves us $500K. (For the record, I am speaking in generalities, not about this deal in particular.)

ecuhus1981 wrote:No to Beno. No to the Kings' involvement at all in this deal. No from the Nets.

This.

killbuckner wrote:

The Jazz aren't looking to dump him for just cap relief alone.

How on earth can you say that as if you know it to be true? I think that most of us think that the Jazz would have preferred it if Boozer did opt out- that both implies he has negative trade value and also implies that the Jazz absolutely would prefer cap relief alone to Boozer.

If you've followed the Jazz for very long, you know that what the Jazz prefers and Boozer prefers are very often two different things. Boozer didn't opt out, so the Jazz are inclined and obligated to find the best package possible for Boozer. There's a good deal of interest out there in the market, so the Jazz can wait a little bit and see if something better than offers like these materialize.

From yesterday...

Utah Jazz GM Kevin O' Connor refuted a statement by Boozer that he and the Jazz had mutually agreed to a trade during an interview with 1320 KFAN on Tuesday afternoon. O'Connor dismissed Boozer's recent assertions that a trade from Utah was imminent, saying that the power forward is committed to a contract and must fulfill it.

I don't think the Jazz are remotely interested in trades like this where all they receive is tax relief + a box of fresh turds.

Jazz say no
Nets say maybe
Kings say yes

diogo_pt wrote:Jazz say no
Nets say maybe
Kings say yes

Not even in the slightest form do the Nets even consider this.
There is no way we take back one of the literal worst contracts in the entire league to get Boozer.
Beno gets paid almost exactly what Devin does, this offer is straight propesterous.
Sacto has absolutely no place in this deal, we can give the Jazz a much better offer on our own without giving up many of our important assets if we really wanted Boozer, if the Jazz are actually intent on trading him.
This trade offer is pure, unadulterated junk.

vincecarter4pres wrote:Not even in the slightest form do the Nets even consider this.
There is no way we take back one of the literal worst contracts in the entire league to get Boozer.
Beno gets paid almost exactly what Devin does, this offer is straight propesterous.
Sacto has absolutely no place in this deal, we can give the Jazz a much better offer on our own without giving up many of our important assets if we really wanted Boozer, if the Jazz are actually intent on trading him.
This trade offer is pure, unadulterated junk.

Really?

Beno's remaining $ of his contract:
$26.8 million or $19.4 million (w/o player's option )

Harris' remaining $ of his contract:
$35.2 million

If "almost exactly" means by the difference of ~$8.4 million, then sure, Beno "almost exactly" got paid like Harris.

(Interesting. I never gave a real look at Harris' contract, that is a true definition of a bargain contract!)

kingsfan10 wrote:

vincecarter4pres wrote:Not even in the slightest form do the Nets even consider this.
There is no way we take back one of the literal worst contracts in the entire league to get Boozer.
Beno gets paid almost exactly what Devin does, this offer is straight propesterous.
Sacto has absolutely no place in this deal, we can give the Jazz a much better offer on our own without giving up many of our important assets if we really wanted Boozer, if the Jazz are actually intent on trading him.
This trade offer is pure, unadulterated junk.

Really?

Beno's remaining $ of his contract:
$26.8 million or $19.4 million (w/o player's option )

Harris' remaining $ of his contract:
$35.2 million

If "almost exactly" means by the difference of ~$8.4 million, then sure, Beno "almost exactly" got paid like Harris.

(Interesting. I never gave a real look at Harris' contract, that is a true definition of a bargain contract!)

Yes, relevant to skill level, I would say about 2 million per season on average is almost exactly the same when comparing the two contracts, especially when Harris' deal is basically same year by year and Beno's is a standard issue escalating contract.

vincecarter4pres wrote:Yes, relevant to skill level, I would say about 2 million per season on average is almost exactly the same when comparing the two contracts, especially when Harris' deal is basically same year by year and Beno's is a standard issue escalating contract.

Yes you are correct about the per year basis but viewing the contract as a whole proves to be more significant than looking at it at a per year basis when dealing salary cap predicaments, especially looking at the longterm IMO.

kingsfan10 wrote:

vincecarter4pres wrote:Yes, relevant to skill level, I would say about 2 million per season on average is almost exactly the same when comparing the two contracts, especially when Harris' deal is basically same year by year and Beno's is a standard issue escalating contract.

Yes you are correct about the per year basis but viewing the contract as a whole proves to be more significant than looking at it at a per year basis when dealing salary cap predicaments, especially looking at the longterm IMO.

What?!
How is it more significant to look at the total value of the contract when dealing with salary cap perdicaments?
How you ask?
Well because it's not and actually the opposite and this is not opinion, it's fact and isn't up for debate.
Beno's contract is not 8 million and change less towards the cap each year, it's 1.1 to around 2.4 each year, therefore what you're saying is completely false and actually it's the complete polar opposite.
And then if you want to look at it long term it skews infinitely more in Harris' favor when he is only paid 8.5 in the final year of his deal and craptastic the scrub Beno is paid about 7.4 million!
If you wanted to argue semanitcs with my use of the word "exactly" and forget the fact I used the adverb "almost", then you would have a correct, yet petty argument, but you're not even doing that!
But you're not even arguing that, you're arguing that the total monetary amount of their contracts has a bigger effect on the longterm salary cap issues!
Huh?!

vincecarter4pres wrote:

diogo_pt wrote:Jazz say no
Nets say maybe
Kings say yes

Not even in the slightest form do the Nets even consider this.
There is no way we take back one of the literal worst contracts in the entire league to get Boozer.
Beno gets paid almost exactly what Devin does, this offer is straight propesterous.
Sacto has absolutely no place in this deal, we can give the Jazz a much better offer on our own without giving up many of our important assets if we really wanted Boozer, if the Jazz are actually intent on trading him.
This trade offer is pure, unadulterated junk.

Not saying this is good for NJ, but the Nets dont have the cap space to give the Jazz immediate cap(tax) relief which is the whole point of the Jazz looking to trade Boozer.