All-Time Draft: Rosters and Trade Talks (RANKINGS DUE MON)

Finger Roll · Post #1 » by **Finger Roll** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:48 pm

Snakebites:
Dave Bing
Artis Gilmore (1976-77, 1977-78, 1978-79)
Michael Jordan (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93)
Joe Johnson
Caldwell Jones
Andrei Kirilenko
Bob Lanier
Jerry Lucas
Gheorghe Muresan
Paul Pierce
Norm Van Lier
Deron Williams

Gremz:
Tiny Archibald (1974-75, 1975-76, 1976-77)
Elgin Baylor (1967-68, 1968-69, 1969-70)
Walt Bellamy (1966-67, 1967-68, 1968-69)
Wilt Chamberlain (1965-66, 1966-67, 1967-68)
Bob Cousy (1954-55, 1955-56, 1956-57)
Dave DeBusschere (1971-72, 1972-73, 1973-74)
Clyde Drexler (1989-90, 1990-91, 1991-92)
Richard Hamilton (2003-04, 2004-05, 2005-06)
Lou Hudson (1969-70, 1970-71, 1971-72)
Dan Majerle (1991-92, 1992-93, 1993-94)
Dirk Nowitzki (2004-05, 2005-06, 2006-07)
Mark Price (1991-92, 1992-93, 1993-94)

bryant08:
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1970-71, 1971-72, 1972-73)
Mookie Blaylock
Marcus Camby
Billy Cunningham
Dale Ellis
Shawn Kemp
Jason Kidd (2000-01, 2001-02, 2002-03)
Rashard Lewis
Tracy McGrady
Scottie Pippen
Willis Reed
Glen Rice

bringbackhoffa:
Vlade Divac
George Gervin
Jeff Hornacek
Robert Horry
Magic Johnson (1986-87, 1987-88, 1988-1989)
Kevin McHale
Robert Parish
Tony Parker
Jerry Stackhouse
Wes Unseld
Ben Wallace
James Worthy

CellarDoor:
Rick Barry
Maurice Cheeks
Kirk Hinrich
Bobby Jones
Bill Laimbeer
Rick Mahorn
Sidney Moncrief
Alonzo Mourning
Gary Payton
Tayshaun Prince
Jerry Sloan
Buck Williams

BlackIce:
Dave Cowens
John Havlicek
Kevin Johnson
Fat Lever
Earl Monroe
Larry Nance
Hakeem Olajuwon
Mitch Richmond
Alvin Robertson
Jeff Ruland
Ralph Sampson
Peja Stojakovic

calderon13:
Ron Artest
Chris Bosh (2006-07, 2007-08, 2008-09)
Charles Barkley (1986-87, 1987-88, 1988-89)
Vince Carter (1999-00, 2000-01, 2001-02)
Sam Cassell (1999-00, 2000-01, 2001-02)
Baron Davis
Tim Duncan (2002-03, 2003-04, 2004-05)
Hal Greer
Grant Hill (1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98)
Yao Ming (2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08)
Steve Nash (2004-05, 2005-06, 2006-07)
Josh Smith

Booz:
Carmelo Anthony
Gilbert Arenas
Patrick Ewing
Dwight Howard
Allen Iverson
Karl Malone (1988-89, 1989-90, 1990-91)
Stephon Marbury
Pete Maravich
Chris Paul
Dennis Rodman
Amar'e Stoudemire
Dominique Wilkins (1985-86, 1986-87, 1987-88)

vct33:
Tom Chambers
Adrian Dantley
Brad Daugherty
Julius Erving
Steve Francis
Tim Hardaway
Ron Harper
Reggie Miller
Shaquille O'Neal (1999-00, 2000-01, 2001-02)
John Stockton
Chris Webber
Kevin Willis

Warspite:
Ray Allen
Terry Cummings
Alex English
Kevin Garnett
Connie Hawkins
Sam Jones
Moses Malone
Chris Mullin
Theo Ratliff
Isiah Thomas
Nate Thurmond
Lenny Wilkens

Finger Roll:
Shane Battier (2006-07, 2007-08, 2008-09)
Doug Christie
Joe Dumars
Walt Frazier (1969-70, 1970-71, 1971-72)
Gus Johnson (1968-69, 1969-70, 1970-71)
K.C. Jones
Steve Kerr
Bernard King
Bob Pettit (1956-57, 1957-58, 1958-59)
Bill Russell
Arvydas Sabonis (1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98)
Detlef Schrempf

TMACFORMVP:
Larry Bird
Danny Granger
Derek Harper
Chuck Hayes
Elvin Hayes
Dennis Johnson
Eddie Jones
Terry Porter
David Robinson
Dan Roundfield
Jack Sikma
Dwyane Wade

MJallday59:
Chauncey Billups
Bruce Bowen
Kobe Bryant
Derek Fisher
Pau Gasol
Manu Ginobili
Horace Grant
LeBron James
Dikembe Mutombo
Norm Nixon
Lamar Odom
Rasheed Wallace

poopdamoop:
Elton Brand
Michael Cooper
Mark Eaton
Anfernee Hardaway
Shawn Marion
Bob McAdoo
Jermaine O'Neal
Micheal Ray Richardson
Oscar Robertson
Brandon Roy
Bill Walton (1975-76, 1976-77, 1977-78)
Jerry West

Finger Roll · Post #2 » by **Finger Roll** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:55 pm

Round 12:
poopdamoop
MJallday59
TMACFORMVP
Finger Roll
Warspite
vct33
Booz
calderon13
BlackIce
CellarDoor
bringbackhoffa
bryant08
Finger Roll
Snakebites

Post #3 » by **Snakebites** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:01 pm

Alrighty, Team Snakebites selects (big shocker, I know) Michael Jordan! The only man responsible for a dynasty that DIDN'T require a top notch big man.

What more can you say about the guy. Greatest player of all time. Was the greatest of his time in virtually every facet of the game, on both sides of the ball. The man was a god. He's also the most marketable player in NBA history, and a player who brought new fans into the game more than any other. I would have been crazy, even being a Bull-hater in the day, not to take him.

I will take the years of his first 3-peat as my years. There were more statistically impressive seasons earlier in his career, but I chose these years because he won championships in each one. By this point he had figured out how to win and taken his rightful place as king.

One of only two players to win multiple championships WITHOUT the help of another top 15 all time player.

90-91, 91-92, 92-93.

In the words of Magic Johnson: "There is Michael Jordan, then there's everyone else."

Johnson · Post #4 » by **Johnson** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:06 pm

Utes Select Wilt the Stilt Chamberlain. Simple reason, he was the most dominant player to ever touch an NBA court.

1960-1961, 1961-1962, 1962-1963
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... bwi01.html

Post #5 » by **Snakebites** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:08 pm

^Would have been my second choice for sure.

His stats are inflated given his era and he couldn't get past Russel without a certain "other" first round selection, but certainly incredible talent and worthy of the spot.

Its really tough to screw up the first couple of picks.

Fingerroll, I suggest you edit the title so that whoever is currently on the clock can be seen there.

Finger Roll · Post #6 » by **Finger Roll** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:22 pm

Nice choices, but please make your selections in the round 1 thread.

Post #7 » by **Snakebites** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:54 pm

Whoops.

Jordan is not available in a trade unless you're ready to absolutely blow me away.

I had a fantasy draft once (with current players) and had the number one pick and everyone was trying to get it without giving up THEIR number 1 pick. That certainly won't play well here.

Post #8 » by **TMACFORMVP** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:00 am

I think we should keep the discussion here, it's kinda cluttering the selections thread, and makes it somewhat more confusing to keep track of picks.

Draft has played as tune so far. No real surprises.

Post #9 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:01 am

Ah. I thought this was just for trade negotiations.

Thats fine.

Anyone else in favor of just doing a regular snake?

I regret proposing that altered order. He mentioned changing it, and I said "alright, if you're gonna do it, do it this way".

For veterans of these drafts, do the first few picks really have that overwhelming an advantage for something like that to be needed? I'd guess not.

Johnson · Post #10 » by **Johnson** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:06 am

I hate the draft order. There wouldnt be a huge advantage with just a snake for anyone....

Post #11 » by **TMACFORMVP** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:07 am

I was originally against the draft order, but I've warmed up to it more. I'm really down either way. As for an overwhelming advantage, I wouldn't think so, maybe in a current draft, but in an All-Time, there isn't much a difference with the next pick coming up, or a selection made 4-6 picks later. The the first few picks do have an advantage though, I'm not sure if it's enough of an advantage of few teams not even having a 2nd round pick though.

Post #12 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:07 am

^Maybe just reverse the order in the 3rd round?

Finger Roll · Post #13 » by **Finger Roll** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:09 am

I understand your concerns, but I think the current way is more even. If you look just at the first two rounds, then, yes, the latter half of drafters surely have a significant edge. But it's much more even when round 3 is taken into consideration. The difference between a guy taken in the first half of round 1 and one taken in the second half of round 1 is greater than the difference of a player in the beginning of round 2 and one in the beginning of round 3. I'd even say that the difference between the top few guys drafted and those drafted near the end of round 1 is probably about even with the difference between players in the beginning of round 2 and those at the END of round 3.

Post #14 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:12 am

^It just seems like everyone is against the current system. And the more I think about it having Michael Jordan instead of, say, Shaq or Russel (either one will drop out of the top 7 at this point) isn't enough to justify the 20 pick drop I'll endure.

I think that not having a 2nd round pick at all punishes the early pickers too much.

Just reverse the order of the 3rd round and otherwise have it be a normal snake would be best IMO.

Finger Roll · Post #15 » by **Finger Roll** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:14 am

Take, for example, slot #5 and slot #10.

5 has picks 5, 31, 38, 52.

10 has picks 10, 19, 24, 47.

The difference between 47 and 52 is very small in this sort of draft.

Yes, 19 and 24 is significantly better than 31 and 38, but I'd say that the difference between 5 and 10 makes up for that, or at least comes very close. And 5 has a slight edge for the remainder of the draft.

Post #16 » by **CellarDoor** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:15 am

Just do ABBA...It's been productive in the past. My getting the 5th best player then the thirtieth or so? That's a bit of an extreme punishment even with a supposed goat candidate.

Finger Roll · Post #17 » by **Finger Roll** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:16 am

So you're saying ABBABABABABA? It's not too late to change if there's an overwhelming majority to do so, but I'd like to see what you think about my last post first.

Post #18 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:16 am

^Compare the 8th pick with me, for instance.

Jordan is better than Shaq or Russel, but not so much to justify having the 35th and 42th picks instead of the 22nd and 23rd.

Thats not even close.

And yeah, I'd say give the 14th drafter the first pick in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds and me the last pick in those same rounds (with the first pick in round 5, of course).

Finger Roll · Post #19 » by **Finger Roll** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:17 am

So ABBBABABABAB?

Post #20 » by **CellarDoor** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:18 am

Pistons#1 wrote:^Compare the 8th pick with me, for instance.

Jordan is better than Shaq or Russel, but not so much to justify having the 35th and 42th picks instead of the 22nd and 23rd.

Thats not even close.

And yeah, I'd say give the 14th drafter the first pick in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds and me the last pick in those same rounds (with the first pick in round 5, of course).

Very good anecdotal evidence...I think it's overcompensating.