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Felix Hernandez: How Long Will He Be A Mariner?

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Felix Hernandez: How Long Will He Be A Mariner? 

Post#1 » by Bulltalk » Mon Aug 3, 2009 6:31 pm

From Geoff Baker's blog:

Sources: Mariners nixed three-way Felix Hernandez trade sending Padres slugger Adrian Gonzalez to Seattle

Lots of stuff has been leaking out in recent days about discussions between the Mariners and Boston Red Sox about a potential Felix Hernandez trade. From what we've pieced together, things were a little more detailed than just a simple phone call or two between the Mariners and Boston.

Here's what I've heard after working sources from my end.

I'm told the Red Sox apparently approached the Mariners and first tried to do a Hernandez trade with Seattle exclusively. Boston wanted Hernandez and gave the Mariners a list of eight prospects, from which Seattle would be allowed to pick any five.

They included:

RHP Clay Buchholz
RHP Daniel Bard
RHP Justin Masterson
LHP Nick Hagadone
RHP Michael Bowden
LHP Felix Doubront
OF Josh Reddick
SS Yamaico Navarro


Seattle turned that down. But that was just the warm-up act to the blockbuster proposal that followed.

When the Mariners rebuffed the Red Sox and it became clear the two sides could not get a deal done on their own, Boston GM Theo Epstein apparently got on the phone to his longtime close pal. San Diego Padres GM Kevin Towers.

It has since come out that Epstein and Towers were discussing a trade that would send home run slugger Adrian Gonzalez to Boston. But wait. Apparently, Epstein wants Hernandez more than anybody, even Gonzalez.

So, the three teams start discussing a possible three-way deal with Seattle that would send Gonzalez to the Mariners, along with Buchholz and a couple of other Red Sox prospects.

The Red Sox would get Hernandez.

And the Padres would get Brandon Morrow, Phillippe Aumont and Carlos Triunfel from Seattle, along with a couple of other top Boston prospects.


A creative proposal, to say the least. And one that obviously would have blown away anything else at the July 31 deadline. Would have been the talk of future deadlines for years to come.

But it never happened. The Mariners apparently nixed it, feeling it would not benefit them in the long-term. Boston then turned around and dealt Masterson and Hagadone to the Indians for catcher Victor Martinez.

From what I'm hearing, the Mariners didn't think any of the packages they were being offered would go down much in substance over the next 12 months, when they'd only have another year-plus of Hernandez under control. Why give up the extra year, their reasoning went, if they could still get a similar offer at the 2010 deadline?

So, that was apparently Seattle's initial foray into the world of trading Hernandez.

It was an educational experience to say the least, and one that should serve them well should they choose to explore this further next winter or a year from now. And they still don't have to deal him. Once again, this was only their first venture into what they could possibly acquire if Hernandez doesn't sign a long-term deal with them over the next 12-to-18 months. Remember, Hernandez is under club control through 2011, but his arbitration years are about to get rather pricey. You'd think the club would like to buy some of those out at a lesser price starting this winter.


I admit that few things *pang* me more concerning the M's than the idea of losing Felix to FAcy, or through trade, and seeing him in a Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers, or Mets uniform some time in the future. We own the rights to Felix through the 2011 season, but, as the article says, his arbitration numbers will get pricey in the next few years.

How many of you are resigned to the idea that we will eventually lose Felix? As much as I hate to admit it, and as much as what I've seen from Z as a general manager that I've liked so far, I have to put the odds at 50/50 at best that we do resign him long term. If Felix continues to develop and pitch like he has this year, something in the back of my mind tells me that, should he be a FA after the 2011 season (probably won't get that far), he will receive some outrageous offer that we would be hard pressed to match. As a matter of fact, one almost has to expect such a thing, and the expectation of such a thing gives me that sinking feeling inside that his days as a Mariner are numbered.

I think the only choices the M's might realistically have regarding Felix is to either:

A) Make a blockbuster trade with him sometime between season's end and next season's trade deadline that yields us a package of players that we are pretty convinced will allay the dreadful idea of losing him

or...

B) Sign Felix to a long term extension either this off season, or next off season, though it may well never get to the 2010 off season point with him

Thoughts?
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Re: Felix Hernandez: How Long Will He Be A Mariner? 

Post#2 » by jumanji » Mon Aug 3, 2009 7:31 pm

What complicates that whole scenario is what they think of Morrow, Aumont and Truenfel. Something tells me a couple of those guys have fallen out of favor so they would probably be expendable. If the trade was Felix, Morrow and Truenfel leaving and Gonzalez, Bucholz and Bard coming i'm signing onto that trade if there is any doubt at all about Felix being here longterm.

I think too many people put too much stock into one pitcher, there are a lot of weak teams with one great starter (Kansas city, Toronto, Cleveland with Cliff Lee and San Diego with Jake Peavey).

This lineup would look awfully good to me
Adrian Gonzalez 1B
Dustin Ackley 2B
Jack Wilson ss
Jose Lopez 3B
Adam Moore C
Michael Saunders LF
Franklin Guttierez CF
Ichiro RF
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Re: Felix Hernandez: How Long Will He Be A Mariner? 

Post#3 » by Zyme » Tue Aug 4, 2009 4:14 am

Bullpens and defense wins championships, provided you can score enough.

Starting pitching is a plus but never a guarentee of a great team.
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Re: Felix Hernandez: How Long Will He Be A Mariner? 

Post#4 » by slaterbug » Tue Aug 4, 2009 11:08 pm

Forever :D
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Re: Felix Hernandez: How Long Will He Be A Mariner? 

Post#5 » by BlackMamba » Wed Aug 5, 2009 6:49 pm

slaterbug wrote:Forever :D


:pray:

i think the mariners are showing their key players that they are looking to make an improvement and see if that makes them stay.

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