Study the Last 3years of Jordans Bulls Tapes

NBAWestFan · Post #1 » by **NBAWestFan** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:27 pm

I think the Lakers are talented but do not really have that much time playing together like Jordan's bulls. They would watch tape of his teams. They were effiecient and I think Ron and Odom and Bynum as well as the whole team would benefit. There are plays that Odom can learn from watching Scottie where he set up Jordan for some open shots. There are plays where Ron can learn
to play for the ball like Rodman and get the ball.

The whole team would benefit from watching their defense and passing of the ball. Maybe they already do it but they do not execute like Jordan's teams.

Even Kobe would benefit from watching Jordan's shot. Jordan had a better follow through
on this shot which will benefit Kobe in his age. Jordan shot looked easy maybe because they
ran the triangle faster and spread the floor better.

I think even with the offensive talent the Defense Jordan's Bulls would shut down these
Lakers which would make some of the players look ineffective on the court.

Verbal · Post #2 » by **Verbal** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:54 pm

Where can I get tapes?

NBATV was recommended to me, but I like knowing what I'm watching.

Dexmor · Post #3 » by **Dexmor** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:49 pm

We lack the D they had depth wise but we have twin towers. They had no post presence besides MJ/Pipp

NBAWestFan · Post #4 » by **NBAWestFan** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:15 pm

Verbal wrote:Where can I get tapes?

NBATV was recommended to me, but I like knowing what I'm watching.

I think Phil would be the ones with the tape and the bulls. I have a few. I think
you can get some of Jordan off of ebay.

But for the Lakers, Phil Jackson would have had acess for them to watch
a team that could execute the triangle with much more confidence.

Verbal · Post #5 » by **Verbal** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:42 pm

Not available!?

I guess I'm going to have to do this myself then.

Either that or I gotta convince someone on those teams to hook me up.

Lets pray the basketball gods come through for me. :pray:

JimMurray · Post #6 » by **JimMurray** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:35 pm

Be sure to give Phil your full report when your finished.

Verbal · Post #7 » by **Verbal** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:04 pm

JimMurray wrote:Be sure to give Phil your full report when your finished.

No need.

I'm exploited via professional surveillance already. :naaa:

Plus, the amateurs don't do a shabby job at what they do either.

It's contacting the other person/people personally that's the main issue for me; I don't like getting involved.

Maybe I'll be able to fix this issue sooner rather than later.

But I'll probably have to get involved.

Understand & understood.

Btw, nice sig.

DEEP3CL · Post #8 » by **DEEP3CL** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:19 pm

I don't need to watch the tapes, this Laker team is nothing like those Bulls.

I get where the OP is going but the thing is the Lakers run the Triangle much much different than the Bulls ran it. Chicago never had the quality of bigs the Lakers have or had (including Shaq). This offense was meant to run from the inside out. There is nothing these current Lakers need to see from those Bulls teams to mimic them.

Those Bulls team wasn't all that versatile, Scottie couldn't play the PF or C spots like LO can. They didn't have a 4 that can switch to a 5 like Pau. And they didn't have another Triangle savvy player like Luke, it was Scottie 24-7 running that team. At least Luke can run it while LO moves to a scoring threat (Cavs game in Cleveland). I already knew what a lot of these Jordan sack lovers didn't realize back then, MJ and Scottie had a tremendous burden on them night in and night out. The first 3 peat Bulls were MJ, Scottie and Horace then it switch to MJ,Scottie and Dennis.

Now the Lakers have Kobe,Pau, Ron and LO and just for the hell of it Drew as the 5th wheel. More versatility no matter how you cut it.

djericho · Post #9 » by **djericho** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:26 pm

I also believe the rules have changed.

Bring back the hand checking rule and I think we'd be close if not up to par with Jordan's bulls.....

Verbal · Post #10 » by **Verbal** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:32 pm

DEEP3CL wrote:I don't need to watch the tapes, this Laker team is nothing like those Bulls.

I get where the OP is going but the thing is the Lakers run the Triangle much much different than the Bulls ran it. Chicago never had the quality of bigs the Lakers have or had (including Shaq). This offense was meant to run from the inside out. There is nothing these current Lakers need to see from those Bulls teams to mimic them.

Those Bulls team wasn't all that versatile, Scottie couldn't play the PF or C spots like LO can. They didn't have a 4 that can switch to a 5 like Pau. And they didn't have another Triangle savvy player like Luke, it was Scottie 24-7 running that team. At least Luke can run it while LO moves to a scoring threat (Cavs game in Cleveland). I already knew what a lot of these Jordan sack lovers didn't realize back then, MJ and Scottie had a tremendous burden on them night in and night out. The first 3 peat Bulls were MJ, Scottie and Horace then it switch to MJ,Scottie and Dennis.

Now the Lakers have Kobe,Pau, Ron and LO and just for the hell of it Drew as the 5th wheel. More versatility no matter how you cut it.

+2

yup yup.

Stacked teams like our 96', 97', 98' teams always gave them problems due to our depth.

We can run the Triangle Center on the Low Block more now, along with the guard backdoors.

Outside of Fish being able to play defense primarily on PGs and Bynum on guards, we got a bunch of versatile guys can that guard multiple positions.

Studs being Kobe and Artest.

Gasol is improving and Odom's pretty solid all around.

Those three (MJ, SP, DR) ran that team hard but effective.

They ended up icing their knees by the 4th quarter with a 16pt+ lead.

Well.. at least Michael and Scottie did.

Rodman was nonchalant.

He was an athletic freak and I'm sure he could sneak a drink in before a game and still do well.

In fact, I'm sure of it. :biggrin:

Verbal · Post #11 » by **Verbal** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:38 pm

djericho wrote:I also believe the rules have changed.

Bring back the hand checking rule and I think we'd be close if not up to par with Jordan's bulls.....

The Bulls had a lot of perimeter vets... but then again, we got Artest and Kobe.

RJM · Post #12 » by **RJM** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:55 pm

http://www.sport-scene.net/

Best NBA site around to download FULL games from any Era. They've got Bulls games dating back to the early-1980's.

djericho · Post #13 » by **djericho** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:08 am

Verbal wrote:The Bulls had a lot of perimeter vets... but then again, we got Artest and Kobe.

defensively I'll give you Ron harper as an upgrade over fisher because of size. Take away the handchecking and I think Kerr is useless defensively and is just a 3 point specialist.

Flipside, give fisher (strength) and shannon brown (strength and size) handchecking and you'd have a good defensive team with bynum or gasol @ C, Gasol or Odom @ PF and Artest or Kobe @ SF as your front court.

Also NBA got rid of hand checking because scoring was way down and the game was not exciting. the last 3peat would not have been as big of a defensive monster without hand checking.

Verbal · Post #14 » by **Verbal** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:18 am

djericho wrote:
Verbal wrote:The Bulls had a lot of perimeter vets... but then again, we got Artest and Kobe.

defensively I'll give you Ron harper as an upgrade over fisher because of size. Take away the handchecking and I think Kerr is useless defensively and is just a 3 point specialist.

Flipside, give fisher (strength) and shannon brown (strength and size) handchecking and you'd have a good defensive team with bynum or gasol @ C, Gasol or Odom @ PF and Artest or Kobe @ SF as your front court.

Also NBA got rid of hand checking because scoring was way down and the game was not exciting. the last 3peat would not have been as big of a defensive monster without hand checking.

+2

Hm.

Good point.

I wasn't a HUGE basketball fan as a kid and I won't comment much further in regards to the handchecking rule.

Verbal · Post #15 » by **Verbal** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:20 am

Iceburg Slim wrote:http://www.sport-scene.net/

Best NBA site around to download FULL games from any Era. They've got Bulls games dating back to the early-1980's.

thanks a million, Slim.

I'll look into it.

penzias · Post #16 » by **penzias** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:22 pm

DEEP3CL wrote:I already knew what a lot of these Jordan sack lovers didn't realize back then, MJ and Scottie had a tremendous burden on them night in and night out. The first 3 peat Bulls were MJ, Scottie and Horace then it switch to MJ,Scottie and Dennis.

Now the Lakers have Kobe,Pau, Ron and LO and just for the hell of it Drew as the 5th wheel. More versatility no matter how you cut it.

Well, that croatian guy wasn't all that bad either.

NBAWestFan · Post #17 » by **NBAWestFan** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:03 pm

Iceburg Slim wrote:http://www.sport-scene.net/

Best NBA site around to download FULL games from any Era. They've got Bulls games dating back to the early-1980's.

Thanks Slim.

Tapes are valuable to learn from the past.

There is still alot this team has to learn and now with Ron Ron they will have adjustments.

Those Bulls teams were fine tuned. They had great outside shooters. A smart team.
The Lakers are getting there but not there yet.

Dexmor · Post #18 » by **Dexmor** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:34 pm

Somebody said Pippen couldn't play 4 but he could. Maybe not as well maybe better, idk. He is shorter but I would still think he could play better D then Odom no matter what position it was.

With that said I got to give it to the Lakers. Kobe-Ron-Gasol-Odom-Fisher are so close to Harper-MJ-Pippen-Rodman-Kukok but the Bynum factor is what makes them better. Plus if your comparing Odom to Koch I gota take Odom.

Anklebreaker702 · Post #19 » by **Anklebreaker702** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:26 am

Dexmor wrote:Somebody said Pippen couldn't play 4 but he could. Maybe not as well maybe better, idk. He is shorter but I would still think he could play better D then Odom no matter what position it was.

With that said I got to give it to the Lakers. Kobe-Ron-Gasol-Odom-Fisher are so close to Harper-MJ-Pippen-Rodman-Kukok but the Bynum factor is what makes them better. Plus if your comparing Odom to Koch I gota take Odom.

All suspect. I saw the Bulls before they even started winning titles, during them winning, & after. I never saw Pippen play the 4 even once. How in the world you figure he's going to out play LO at that position is beyond me. If Drew becomes the Center he seems that he can be, we will blow all of what they did out of the water.

dub81 · Post #20 » by **dub81** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:17 am

Dexmor wrote:Somebody said Pippen couldn't play 4 but he could. Maybe not as well maybe better, idk. He is shorter but I would still think he could play better D then Odom no matter what position it was.

With that said I got to give it to the Lakers. Kobe-Ron-Gasol-Odom-Fisher are so close to Harper-MJ-Pippen-Rodman-Kukok but the Bynum factor is what makes them better. Plus if your comparing Odom to Koch I gota take Odom.

Bynum has not proven anything yet. He cannot even play a full season. Also, I hope you have not forgot about Toni K either. He was pretty good you know? Bulls had that killer instinct and they played against better competition. Until the Lakers can get 3-4 rings with this unit, then we can talk about that. Until then I have to respect the Bulls. I am a Laker fan saying this.