Lions picked the wrong quarterback again!!!!

[kellmellus50]

Jets pick Sanchez to start at QBSanchez was selected as the team's starting quarterback by coach Rex Ryan on Wednesday, making him the first rookie slated to open a season under center for the Jets.
"This comes with a lot of responsibility," a beaming Sanchez said. "As happy as I am, I know that this is just the beginning and I'm just excited, really excited, to get to play with such great players

The lions should have picked mark sanchez instead of stafford.Stanton even better than stafford.
The lions again blew another pick on the wrong quarterback,remember joey harrington and andre ware they were drafted high and other quarterbacks that were better picked in later rounds.

[Liqourish]

You're basing your psychic prediction of Lions failures on the fact that Sanchez beat out Clemens for the starting QB job in NJ? How does that make any sense?

[kellmellus50]

I watched Sanchez play and looks so much better of a starting quarterback.He reminds me of Bret Farr.Stafford reminds me of joey harrington going no-ware.

Right now stafford stats = 3rd string duty

[TSE]

I was a highly vocal supporter of considering Sanchez with the first pick at the time on other boards, as I wasn't on this board back then. The main reason that I had Sanchez in my consideration set is because it was fairly obvious that if the Lions didn't pick him that he could drop many slots and lose a lot of money in comparison to the #1 overall pick. Thus, it is impossible for me to say if I would actually have selected him since I would have liked to have heard the conversations from Sanchez regarding how interested he would be in playing for the Lions, as well as the conversation with his agent on if he would be willing to take a below market deal at number 1, such that the deal would be beyond the highest point of the ceiling of where he would have been projected to go had the Lions passed.

Any way you slice it, it is clear that the Lions would have been able to pay him more money than the Jets, so long as he and his agent were fine with being shafted w/respect to the type of contract the #1 overall pick would normally get. It might indeed have been wishful thinking, as then the agent might worry if that damages his perception by getting an apparently small deal, but of course the flipside to that is then he can show how he was able to sell his client as a #1 pick above a higher rated player. More money is more money, and if the savings were substantial, I'd rather gamble on the lower cost player, as I wanted nothing to do with the #1 pick at this price if possible, and that would have been one possible solution worth considering. I can only hope that the Lions investigated this option thoroughly. To me it doesn't matter if Stafford pans out or not in terms of the question as to whether we got a lousy deal, which we did, as the money to the #1 pick is way more than appropriate pot odds would suggest.

[kellmellus50]

QB ratings:

Stafford preseason =42%

Sanchez preseason =83%

need i say more i rest my case .

The only catagory stafford wins in is dropped balls.

[TSE]

QB ratings:

Stafford preseason =42%

Sanchez preseason =83%

need i say more i rest my case .

The only catagory stafford wins in is dropped balls.

Well drops that are purely the fault of the WR are supposed to be counted as completions for more accurate statistical comparisons, so in Stafford's defense, those numbers are unfair and misleading. I hope your not a lawyer for your day job!

[Liqourish]

Not every drop was the fault of the receiver, but come on.... did you watch the games kell? Colbert dropped 4 passes that he had both friggin hands on in one quarter. Kind of hard to get an accurate read on Staffords ability when he had missed the top 3 receivers, top tight end, has barely played with Kevin Smith.

What I do know is what I've heard from his teammates when he has played with those guys. Calvin Johnson himself raved about playing with Stafford and how great Stafford is at putting the ball in a place where only CJ can get it. Coaching staffs, scouts, players, on-lookers, trainers, etc have all seem him work upclose for weeks now. I'm sure they have a better read on the guy than someone who is still hurt because his favorite player went to another team.

[ajaX82]

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Oh and i am really impressed by Sanchez's first preseason start last week:

3-8, 43 yards, 1 TD, 1 pick six, 55.7 rating

stunning really. What an awesome game! 43 yards! And throwing a pick 6 with the original TD is like throwing 2 TD's really!


All bull**** aside, Stafford is working with the Lions O-line, not the Jets. His receivers are mostly scout team fodder at best. He saw a 3-4 D for the first time and did not do well. But hey, hes a ******* ROOKIE! YOU MEAN HE MIGHT MAKE MISTAKES OUT THERE?!?! HE MIGHT BE CONFUSED????

I remind you Peyton Manning holds the rookie record for picks and led the Colts to a 3-13 season his first year. Eli looked horrific as well for that matter, and now look at his bank account.

Stafford has been great in practice, he is learning well, the coaching staff is thrilled with him. His first preseason game was even good. 1 bad game means we made the wrong move. Have this conversation with me five years down the road. And FWIW, i think Sanchez is going to suck

[kellmellus50]

Ajax Says:Wrong. Wrong. Wrong= 55.7 is only for one game you have to look at all the games he's played in.
i think Sanchez is going to suck ?

your opion does not count i go by the facts stafford =42% for all preseason games thats who sucks!!

You have to count all the preseason games sanchez =83% he's twice as good as stafford

[TSE]

Ajax Says:Wrong. Wrong. Wrong= 55.7 is only for one game you have to look at the big picture.
i think Sanchez is going to suck ?

your opion does not count i go by the facts stafford =42% thats who sucks

You have to count all the preseason games sanchez =83%

Either player could end up proving to be the better one in the long run, nobody knows the future. But the facts remain that while everybody has a different opinion of why one guy is better than the other, there isn't really much disputing the fact that MORE experts rated Stafford higher than Sanchez. So while you may be right that Sanchez is the better player, statistically at this point in time the odds would suggest that Stafford is more likely to be the better player. And that's not counting the situation of the teams they are on and who has more success than the other, that's just based upon the nature of who they are. I vote for Stafford. But the margin is subjective and the certainty is unsure, that's why I wish we knew what kind of contract we could have signed Sanchez to. IF we assume that we couldn't get a bargain deal on Sanchez, then Stafford was the most logical pick for us to make. So boom or bust we did the right thing under that assumption, and that's all that really matters at this point.

[Liqourish]

Ajax Says:Wrong. Wrong. Wrong= 55.7 is only for one game you have to look at all the games he's played in.
i think Sanchez is going to suck ?

your opion does not count i go by the facts stafford =42% for all preseason games thats who sucks!!

You have to count all the preseason games sanchez =83% he's twice as good as stafford

Maybe you should stick to the Shock board and rant about all the free agents the Shocks "passed up".

[kellmellus50]

Liqourish stick to the subject,Talk about the lions quarterbacks!

[TSE]

Liqourish stick to the subject,Talk about the lions quarterbacks!

It's just his M.O. and history. He'd rather make schnide comments to attack people on a personal level rather than engage in constructive conversation. He's done it to me several times now. Just a head's up.

[kellmellus50]

All i want to do is talk about the lions quarterbacks/stop the personal attacks on me.

[TSE]

All i want to do is talk about the lions quarterbacks/stop the personal attacks on me.

I feel ALMOST the same way as you, only difference is that right now I only want to talk about QB Drew Stanton, and not so much the other guys at this time. Give Drew the ball and let him play a little darn it!

START DREW ON SATURDAY PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

[kellmellus50]

I also like drew and he has the best QB % of all three.I wish they would start him next game to see what he can do with the starting group.The one thing that i worry about drew is when he's running i am afraid that he will get injured ,it's just a matter of time with a running QB.

[ajaX82]

Ajax Says:Wrong. Wrong. Wrong= 55.7 is only for one game you have to look at all the games he's played in.
i think Sanchez is going to suck ?

your opion does not count i go by the facts stafford =42% for all preseason games thats who sucks!!

You have to count all the preseason games sanchez =83% he's twice as good as stafford

Good logic. Since Sanchezs QB rating is double Staffords, he twice as good. awesome.

You can want Sanchez all you want. I dont care. I like Stafford because he started 3 years, has a better arm, has no injury history, is an underrated athlete, has a great attitude and displays leadership qualities and didnt play in a system like USC that could make me look good. Thats just me.

And stop with the Drew Stanton crap. just stop. Clearly the coaches are not going to make him the starter. Because clearly two preseason games against third string D's are not enough to properly grade your future at QB. I watched probably every single game he played at MSU. Seriously. I watched him play live multiple times. He is not an NFL QB. He will be a very nice backup to Matt, but he cannot start in this league. Dont you think he would have played last year, when we were looking for anyone to play, if he had the talent. Give me some evidence, outside of this preseason, to suggest he should be playing. Show me something.


I am beginning to doubt that you guys actually watch games

[ajaX82]

And yes, i still am not a Sanchez fan. I think he is going to be a bust. Again, just my opinion

[TSE]

I also like drew and he has the best QB % of all three.I wish they would start him next game to see what he can do with the starting group.The one thing that i worry about drew is when he's running i am afraid that he will get injured ,it's just a matter of time with a running QB.

Finally somebody with some sense! Props to you!

Yes, injury is a concern, but I'm not scared REMOTELY, cause we have Cpep and Stafford. So if/when he gets hurt, THEN send him to the bench and put Cpep in if Stafford isn't ready yet.

Also, the last game I really disliked how Drew played BECAUSE he could have raped Cleveland on the ground if he ran a couple times that he didn't. I suspect after the first run the coaches put a bug in his ear to concentrate on passing and that's why he didn't run when he could have, or maybe he just felt pressured to pass. Either way, I don't want Drew to be our starting QB in Week 1 if he's going to try to pass more than his instincts tell him. I want him to be aggressive in running when he knows he can get guaranteed good gains. If he's not willing to play that way, or if the coaches won't let him to play that way, then I lose appeal to have him in there. I want to get everything I can out of Drew, and to do that he's going to have to take some PAIN, otherwise he's not as valuable to me and I lose interest.

Here are my estimated chances of who will start the next game:

Daunte - 65%
Stafford - 30%
Stanton - 5%

Daunte - Stafford (although we know about the drops) didn't light it up last time, so odds favor him being the veteran that gets benefit of the doubt to be consistent with Stafford having to EARN it.

Stanton - Low % because every time Schwartz talks he says "both" of them and he's not seriously considering Stanton as the season starter from most published accounts. However, I put his odds higher than zero because it's possible he could change his mind and want to give a look at Stanton (if he reads my posts), but also, he might just start Stanton as a way to fuel the competition. It's possible he could want to send a message if he's mad at the competition in practice or what not, or if he just wants to give them some pressure to think about and see who can overcome that pressure. So he could throw a wild-card Stanton start just for that reason.

Stafford - the remaining % leftover after applying the other guesses goes here.

[TSE]

Ajax Says:Wrong. Wrong. Wrong= 55.7 is only for one game you have to look at all the games he's played in.
i think Sanchez is going to suck ?

your opion does not count i go by the facts stafford =42% for all preseason games thats who sucks!!

You have to count all the preseason games sanchez =83% he's twice as good as stafford

Good logic. Since Sanchezs QB rating is double Staffords, he twice as good. awesome.

You can want Sanchez all you want. I dont care. I like Stafford because he started 3 years, has a better arm, has no injury history, is an underrated athlete, has a great attitude and displays leadership qualities and didnt play in a system like USC that could make me look good. Thats just me.

And stop with the Drew Stanton crap. just stop. Clearly the coaches are not going to make him the starter. Because clearly two preseason games against third string D's are not enough to properly grade your future at QB. I watched probably every single game he played at MSU. Seriously. I watched him play live multiple times. He is not an NFL QB. He will be a very nice backup to Matt, but he cannot start in this league. Dont you think he would have played last year, when we were looking for anyone to play, if he had the talent. Give me some evidence, outside of this preseason, to suggest he should be playing. Show me something.


I am beginning to doubt that you guys actually watch games

Keep your requests, which sound like orders, of discouraging proper debate on an important issue to yourself. I am beginning to doubt you have even bothered to try and think of all of the positive ramifications that COULD result from playing Stanton, as these possibilities DO EXIST. Albeit they may be small and open to debate, but you can't say something has a 0% chance of happening, and you are begging for 0% talk because you seem to think something that the POSSIBLE IS IMPOSSIBLE. You are a terrible poster, not to mention EXTREMELY rude and unprofessional, and you should just leave the Stanton supporters to talk amongst themselves if you are going to have such a closed-minded approach to other people's opinions that actually care and want the best for the team.