quarterback draft?

Canomad · Post #1 » by **Canomad** » Sun Oct 4, 2009 10:53 am

bradford
mccoy
cluasen
locker
tebow

right off the top of my head. which qb do you think will be the best pro? im gonna go with mccoy. hes accurate can run, good arm. somepeople are saying locker will go 1 overall though i havnt seen much of him to judge him. whos the best prospect?

Post #2 » by **Icness** » Mon Oct 5, 2009 8:27 pm

See my scouting interview, the link is on my sig.

I personally rate them:
1. McCoy
2. Locker
3. Bradford
4. Claussen
5. Tony Pike
6. Snead
7. Tebow
8. Tim Hiller
9. Dan Lefevour
10. Pat Devlin

Post #3 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:36 pm

I think Locker and Clausen are clearly the top two pro prospects, I don't like McCoy or Bradford at all.

Post #4 » by **Icness** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:38 pm

The more I see of both Locker and Claussen the more I like of both. In the interview I did with the scouts both of them talked about how their teams prefer QBs that haven't had it easy in college, like they are hardened up already. They know how to handle pressure and adversity already. The more you watch Sanchez and Vince Young and most of the high-profile flops, the more that line of thinking makes sense.

Locker still needs to work on his accuracy from the pocket and making quicker decisions in the red zone. Claussen still forces too many balls and even though it's improved he's still not really well liked in the ND locker room. The younger guys like him so that is a good sign.

My worst fears about McCoy were on full display in the Oklahoma game.

Post #5 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:39 pm

I always said the same thing, and it makes me cringe when people want to sit a QB as a young player, not to learn, but to protect him. If you have to protect him from adversity, he's never going to be the type of QB you want him to be.

I've still yet to see Sanchez play a good or even decent game when he's getting pressured, he seems to epically fold when he gets rushed.

I like Locker a lot really, he has a lot to work on, and he really should go back for another year with Sarkisian, but the jump he's taken, and his athletic tools make him very intriguing to me.

Post #6 » by **Manhattan Project** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:53 pm

This draft is shaping up to be a nice one for teams that needs a QB, a lot of different styles in this draft. I think Clausen and Locker have played themselves into some serious money this year. McCoy has been McCoy, Bradford hurt himself some, Snead has been disappointing.

Regarding Sanchez:

4 Good Games: 778 Yards, 6 TD's, 2 INT's, 89 QB Rating
2 Bad Games: 257 Yards, 0 TD's, 8 INT's, 35 QB Rating

Yes, he 12 turnovers in 6 games is unacceptable under most circumstances. But do you know how many times Peyton Manning turned the ball over in his first 6 games? FIFTEEN! And his record through his first 6 games? 1-5. This is typical of guys who are thrust into the starting role right away. And I mean, he turned out pretty decent, right? Donovan McNabb was 2-4 with 11 turnovers through 6 starts. Carson Palmer was 2-4 with 10 turnovers. The point is, rookies make rookie mistakes. The good ones correct those mistakes and develop into good NFL quarterbacks. We have no reason to believe Sanchez can't do this - he's definitely shown flashes of brilliance early on. He seems to be a good kid with a good head on his shoulders, and has the pieces around him to develop properly.

Post #7 » by **GYBE** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:15 pm

Icness wrote:The more I see of both Locker and Claussen the more I like of both. In the interview I did with the scouts both of them talked about how their teams prefer QBs that haven't had it easy in college, like they are hardened up already. They know how to handle pressure and adversity already.

If that's the case, Clausen should be set. The 2007 Notre Dame team had the worst offensive line I've ever seen in college. 35 sacks in 245 attempts and he had no chance on 90% of them. During the Michigan debacle that year, I honestly wondered if the linemen were taking a dive to watch him get killed.

Are you getting any read on if Clausen will come out this year? It's pretty rare for a player to leave ND early. Justin Tuck and Darius Walker are the only recent guys I can remember off the top of my head. But I know Clausen came to ND a year older than most in his class, so that could influence his decision.

Ong_dynasty · Post #8 » by **Ong_dynasty** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:55 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:This draft is shaping up to be a nice one for teams that needs a QB, a lot of different styles in this draft. I think Clausen and Locker have played themselves into some serious money this year. McCoy has been McCoy, Bradford hurt himself some, Snead has been disappointing.

Regarding Sanchez:

4 Good Games: 778 Yards, 6 TD's, 2 INT's, 89 QB Rating
2 Bad Games: 257 Yards, 0 TD's, 8 INT's, 35 QB Rating

Yes, he 12 turnovers in 6 games is unacceptable under most circumstances. But do you know how many times Peyton Manning turned the ball over in his first 6 games? FIFTEEN! And his record through his first 6 games? 1-5. This is typical of guys who are thrust into the starting role right away. And I mean, he turned out pretty decent, right? Donovan McNabb was 2-4 with 11 turnovers through 6 starts. Carson Palmer was 2-4 with 10 turnovers. The point is, rookies make rookie mistakes. The good ones correct those mistakes and develop into good NFL quarterbacks. We have no reason to believe Sanchez can't do this - he's definitely shown flashes of brilliance early on. He seems to be a good kid with a good head on his shoulders, and has the pieces around him to develop properly.

Nothing against you MH, but I dont like when people only highlight the good sides..for every rookie qb that started bad and became good to great..there were 10 that you never hear of...
Am i saying that he will be a flop ofcourse not..
What do i think of him..has potential ofcourse..made great throws??yup yup...But I also thought Jamarcus Russell has potential and Tyler Thigpen..
One thing I have a gripe against him is that compared to the Palmer, Manning and McNabb..he has a very very good team a round him and has all the tools to not screw up
Good Line - Check
RB - Good enough
D - Check
For me, being in such a situation does not mean your a good qb but screwing up in a situation is a bad sign and should garner some red flags.
I mean Joe Flacco (who i think is an average qb at best and was way overrated last year) didnt screw it up..

Ong_dynasty · Post #9 » by **Ong_dynasty** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:00 pm

NO-KG-AI wrote:I always said the same thing, and it makes me cringe when people want to sit a QB as a young player, not to learn, but to protect him. If you have to protect him from adversity, he's never going to be the type of QB you want him to be.

I've still yet to see Sanchez play a good or even decent game when he's getting pressured, he seems to epically fold when he gets rushed.

I like Locker a lot really, he has a lot to work on, and he really should go back for another year with Sarkisian, but the jump he's taken, and his athletic tools make him very intriguing to me.

I disagree with this.. I mean sometimes a player is just not ready and may have been drafted because of potential, if you bring him in early and gets abused i genuinely believe it can fcuk with a players head..now some get past it (like Manning) but how many so called 1st round qb's never did..
Do not get me wrong I think there is a timeline when u say enough is enough and you either gotta produce or it aint worth the teams time. But it does not necessarily mean it has to be from the get go.

I remember MJ once said that what made him great in big games was the game winning shot for the National Championships and whenever games get close he remembers the game and knows that he has done it before. I think this situation is the vice versa..if at a time of adversity all a qb remembers is getting sacked, then it cant be good right?

Btw where do people think Bradford will go?!?!will he drop to the 2nd?!!

Post #10 » by **Manhattan Project** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:59 am

Ong_dynasty wrote:
Nothing against you MH, but I dont like when people only highlight the good sides..for every rookie qb that started bad and became good to great..there were 10 that you never hear of...
Am i saying that he will be a flop ofcourse not..
What do i think of him..has potential ofcourse..made great throws??yup yup...But I also thought Jamarcus Russell has potential and Tyler Thigpen..
One thing I have a gripe against him is that compared to the Palmer, Manning and McNabb..he has a very very good team a round him and has all the tools to not screw up
Good Line - Check
RB - Good enough
D - Check
For me, being in such a situation does not mean your a good qb but screwing up in a situation is a bad sign and should garner some red flags.
I mean Joe Flacco (who i think is an average qb at best and was way overrated last year) didnt screw it up..

I agree with you and its a valid point. It's me being a fan and trying to spin it positively. I was at the game against the Bills, let me tell you I couldn't drink enough to get through the game it was that painful. Thus far Sanchez has been a tease, that first game against the Texans moving in and out of the pocket escaping sacks was a thing of beauty. Next game he is holding the ball low with one hand and has no pocket awareness. It's going to be interesting to see how he bounces back, maybe a little home cooking is what he needs this week.

However in terms of where he was drafted those are the QB's you want to compare him to. It's true the Jets had a better team then those QB's that were listed, but at the end of the day he is still learning. I have high hopes for him still and its a shame that after three weeks the Jets get all the hype. Well past few weeks have been a humbling situation for him, Ryan and the team.

Ong_dynasty · Post #11 » by **Ong_dynasty** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:00 am

I agree he is learning and for me I actually give him abit more leeway than those listed because he deferred his last year. and as much as it will be grueling and if the New York media will allow him, he has so much more improvement to come.
This is in theory his second season of starting. I mean to get a person with 80 qb rating or doesn't your team is a success in my opinion for a rookie qb (especially one that comes out early)

Roger Murdock · Post #12 » by **Roger Murdock** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:11 pm

Next years QB class should be strong if Claussen and Locker stay. I like them both a lot right now as prospects but another year would be good for both of em. I hate Tebow as a prospect and am not high on Bradford, McCoy, or Mallet.

Post #13 » by **Icness** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:30 pm

GYBE--Nobody around ND that I know--and I know a lot of people around that program--thinks Claussen is coming out unless Charlie Weis gets fired or leaves. I've had that conversation almost weekly with people and it hasn't changed even as Jimmy continues to shine. He thinks (correctly) that if he goes back and has another good season he will go #1 overall in 2011, and he knows he won't get that this year. Unless he's a top 5 lock (he's not at this point) it makes sense to wait for that even if a rookie wage scale gets enacted.

The transformation of Claussen in that locker room is stunning. I mean, every single player HATED him the first couple of years. He was a prima donna pretty boy with little regard for anyone else. He grew up, don't know how or why but the light bulb finally turned on for him. Now he's pretty respected and his work habits and attitude have noticeably improved. He's still pretty arrogant but I guess he can contain it better now. Personally I've only ever shaken his hand so that's all secondary stuff...

Mock V2.0 with two rounds will be up by the end of the weekend. I'm still tinkering with the draft order and player slotting in the 25-40 range and at the very bottom. I have Locker going #1 overall to STL, Bradford #4 to Cleveland, Claussen #8 to Tennessee, McCoy #26 to Seattle (with the DEN pick), and Tony Pike at #41 to Buffalo. Subject to change, of course 8-)

Post #14 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:16 am

I know NFL management is stubborn, and seem to just lock onto guys, but I can't see a compelling reason to ever take Bradford over Clausen.

magicfan4life05 · Post #15 » by **magicfan4life05** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:43 pm

what do you guys think of Ryan Mallett from Arkansas?

Post #16 » by **lpsevier** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:17 pm

magicfan4life05 wrote:what do you guys think of Ryan Mallett from Arkansas?

I've only seen a limited sample of his work at Michigan and Arkansas, but it seems to me he REALLY guides his deeper throws.

Rocket arm makes up for some of it, but I doubt that lasts in the NFL.

Post #17 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:27 pm

magicfan4life05 wrote:what do you guys think of Ryan Mallett from Arkansas?

He needs a lot of work, but he's a redshirt sophomore IIRC. His arm is outrageous though, and he's like 6'7 and 250... Ton of upside, wouldn't be surprised if he developed into a guy that is in discussion for the top pick, but he's a ways away.

LAKESHOW · Post #18 » by **LAKESHOW** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:25 pm

matt barkley from USC should come out this year, he would be the 1st pick of the draft.

King_Supreme · Post #19 » by **King_Supreme** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:52 pm

LAKESHOW wrote:matt barkley from USC should come out this year, he would be the 1st pick of the draft.

He's not eligible til his Junior year, top pick in 2012. imo

Roger Murdock · Post #20 » by **Roger Murdock** » Fri Nov 6, 2009 6:26 pm

Icness wrote:The more I see of both Locker and Claussen the more I like of both. In the interview I did with the scouts both of them talked about how their teams prefer QBs that haven't had it easy in college, like they are hardened up already. They know how to handle pressure and adversity already. The more you watch Sanchez and Vince Young and most of the high-profile flops, the more that line of thinking makes sense.

Locker still needs to work on his accuracy from the pocket and making quicker decisions in the red zone. Claussen still forces too many balls and even though it's improved he's still not really well liked in the ND locker room. The younger guys like him so that is a good sign.

My worst fears about McCoy were on full display in the Oklahoma game.

How do you consider Sanchez a bust. Hes doing pretty well for a rookie QB and has some very solid games, along with a few bad ones. Its been only 8 games so far, and for the most part hes looked like a future stud.