Is it crazy to draft Deron at #6?

xxxSwiZzxxx · Post #1 » by **xxxSwiZzxxx** » Tue Oct 6, 2009 2:02 am

12 team H2H, 9 CATs.....i have pick #6 (pre-determined). The past few weeks have been debating taking Dirk/Durant/Granger.....but lately been reading articles on the "drafting PGs and PFs" strategy.

And I started thinking about if its stupid or smart to take Deron (second best PG) at 6.

I just hate drafting swingmen early, and I don't think Dirk will drop down to me. So assuming I have to pick Durant/Granger......is it crazy for me to pick Williams over them?

This is a $50 entry league, so $600 of prize money is riding on this league. I guess I am just curious about what the better strategy would be, if I should go for a good PG early, or just draft best player available (even if it means getting a swingman).

Carlton Banksy · Post #2 » by **Carlton Banksy** » Tue Oct 6, 2009 2:55 am

Personally, I wouldn't. In my rankings (which granted, do still need some work) I have Deron at 12. I'd take Dirk if he's still around & if not take Durant. Depending on how concerned you are with his injury potential, call me crazy but I'd consider Amare up there too. You'll still have a shot at some quality PG's on the way down like say a Nash, Calderon, Billups, etc.

rony zeira · Post #3 » by **rony zeira** » Tue Oct 6, 2009 5:33 am

I wouldn't take Deron that high, he is a late first rounder/early second rounder IMO. I've seen derrick Rose go as low as mid-late 30's and I'll take a risk and say that besides 3PM and 3P% he should be at least as good as Deron if not better. You could also grab Rondo or even Westbrook farther down the draft and still be in pretty good shape.

hamncheese · Post #4 » by **hamncheese** » Tue Oct 6, 2009 10:29 am

If you read the most recent article in ESPN about PG and PF strategy, it admits its a bit of a misnomer. The intent of the strategy is to ensure coverage of the 'rare' categories. With the first round, there is no problem in taking a highly rated swing man. Deron Williams is not worth the 6th pick.

Also, for this season, in h2h money league with the 6th pick, I'd stay away from the PG/PF strategy IMO. There's not enough good PGs to let you get enough assists, unless you overreach on PGs. You'll be better off drafting best available big and swing men and filling the PG position later in the draft.

rony zeira · Post #5 » by **rony zeira** » Tue Oct 6, 2009 12:17 pm

hamncheese wrote:If you read the most recent article in ESPN about PG and PF strategy, it admits its a bit of a misnomer. The intent of the strategy is to ensure coverage of the 'rare' categories. With the first round, there is no problem in taking a highly rated swing man. Deron Williams is not worth the 6th pick.

Also, for this season, in h2h money league with the 6th pick, I'd stay away from the PG/PF strategy IMO. There's not enough good PGs to let you get enough assists, unless you overreach on PGs. You'll be better off drafting best available big and swing men and filling the PG position later in the draft.

Actually, in H2H leagues is the only time I'd consider the PF/PG draft strategy. In roto leagues you have to balance and be at least decent in all categories to succeed, it's better to go with the BPA (Which needs to be without a real weakness) in the first few rounds and later fill out needs later in the draft with role players. In H2H leagues OTOH, you can always punt some categories and focus on specific stats, so it might make some sense to take a player who is very strong in some areas and doesn't help you in others.

hamncheese · Post #6 » by **hamncheese** » Tue Oct 6, 2009 1:05 pm

rony zeira wrote:Actually, in H2H leagues is the only time I'd consider the PF/PG draft strategy. In roto leagues you have to balance and be at least decent in all categories to succeed, it's better to go with the BPA (Which needs to be without a real weakness) in the first few rounds and later fill out needs later in the draft with role players. In H2H leagues OTOH, you can always punt some categories and focus on specific stats, so it might make some sense to take a player who is very strong in some areas and doesn't help you in others.

I hear you on focusing on some categories, but in the first round you take the best player and let that guide you in on what categories to focus on. My point with the original poster is that it wouldn't be wise to employ the PG/PF at the #6 as an excuse to not pick a swing player.

The funny thing is that I hear more of an argument for the PG/PF strategy for roto because it focuses on the rare cats, that if used correctly, you'll maintain a balance in the other cats and in positional needs. I don' tthink the PG/PF enables one to get enough of the focus you want in H2H. The standard PG/PF strategy promotes getting the traditional 3s-asts-stls-ft% PG and balaced with the traditional reb-blks-fg% PF, while maintaing pts from both sides. Not enough of a focus in categories for h2h.

mj2345 · Post #7 » by **mj2345** » Tue Oct 6, 2009 1:50 pm

Check out these rankings. 6 is kind of high for Deron in my humble opinion. I really like the below rankings as a baseline.

http://flagrantfouls.com/2009/10/nba-fa ... s-top-100/

rony zeira · Post #8 » by **rony zeira** » Tue Oct 6, 2009 5:38 pm

I didn't say I would use that strategy even in H2H leagues, I just say that it has a slightly better chance of working in that format.

As for ranking players, I don't like those rankings too much, every league has a different setup and every player works differently with different rules. For example, if you decide to limit the # of transactions than all of a sudden injury prone or old player's value drops even more, if you put in less utility positions in the roster than the fact that a player is eligible for several positions means a lot more all of a sudden and so on. All ranking should really be treated cautiously IMO.