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Over/Under on Wallace 3 pointers?

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Over/Under on Wallace 3 pointers? 

Post#1 » by TheSheriff » Thu Nov 5, 2009 3:41 am

How many three attempts will Rasheed average a game this year? What percentage will he shoot? Right now he is averaging a tad under 7 a game.
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Re: Over/Under on Wallace 3 pointers? 

Post#2 » by TheMartian » Thu Nov 5, 2009 3:45 am

I think that's also his average number of FGAs. He should learn to take some shots inside the arc.
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Re: Over/Under on Wallace 3 pointers? 

Post#3 » by Cyclical » Thu Nov 5, 2009 10:18 am

I'm betting on something slightly better than Antoine Walker's '03 season, when I wanted to shoot the TV every time he took a 3 pointer -- 2.4 made out of 7.5 attempts for a whopping .323 avg.

I think Sheed will stay around 7 attempts at 35%. I wish he'd keep it at 5 attempts and go inside more but that ain't happening. He is who he is. When they fall he''ll break a game wide open for us; when they don't I'll be praying Doc takes him out since you know he won't pass up a shot. At least he can defend big guys.
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Re: Over/Under on Wallace 3 pointers? 

Post#4 » by sam_I_am » Thu Nov 5, 2009 11:28 am

Would you be happier if Wallace shot 48% from the low post instead of 35% from the 3 pt line?
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Re: Over/Under on Wallace 3 pointers? 

Post#5 » by GuyClinch » Thu Nov 5, 2009 12:33 pm

People need to get over the idea of a big taking 3 point shots. It's his game. He can score from the inside once in while. But his outside shooting pulls opposing big men out - so Doc loves it.
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Re: Over/Under on Wallace 3 pointers? 

Post#6 » by Bad-Thoma » Thu Nov 5, 2009 1:09 pm

No real mystery coming in- Sheed is a chucker. He hits enough of them to make it work and his real value is defending the paint anyways, the gap between KG/Perk and the bench defensively was huge last year. He and the landlord have done a nice job of narrowing that gap.
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Re: Over/Under on Wallace 3 pointers? 

Post#7 » by DorfonCeltics » Thu Nov 5, 2009 3:15 pm

While some of Sheed's 3 balls are ill advised I would say the vast majority of them or in the flow of the offense which is exactly what Doc wants. I don't have a problem with him shooting 7 threes a game. It would be great if he could shoot 40% on them.
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Re: Over/Under on Wallace 3 pointers? 

Post#8 » by campybatman » Thu Nov 5, 2009 5:09 pm

I understand that three-point range is a part of R. Wallace's offensive arsenal. As much as people in the past could criticize A. Walker for preferring to play more on the perimeter and attempt three-point shot after another. I don't think many will criticize Wallace... However, we all should know by now that Rasheed is: As is. In other words, you bought this car already knowing its faults. Sure, you can want him to go inside more. But it's up to him to do so and what Rivers sees match-up wise.

Garnett's more of a finesse player as well. Perkins is the lone true post player on the roster. You might could say S. Williams, if only he'd an offensive repertoire to speak of. Powe's probably more of a threat to score on the block than him.
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Re: Over/Under on Wallace 3 pointers? 

Post#9 » by hairybyrd » Thu Nov 5, 2009 5:16 pm

So far this year, in 6 games, Wallace is 17-40 from beyond the arc (.425) and Eddie House is 12-25 (.480). Rasheed's shooting % is great but he shouldn't be taking nearly three 3pt attempts more than House every game. He's a good passer - let's see an up-fake from the arc and a dish once in a while. Or, even better, mix it up in the post. He was definitely settling for shots last night.
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Re: Over/Under on Wallace 3 pointers? 

Post#10 » by The Rondo Show » Thu Nov 5, 2009 5:37 pm

hairybyrd wrote:So far this year, in 6 games, Wallace is 17-40 from beyond the arc (.425) and Eddie House is 12-25 (.480). Rasheed's shooting % is great but he shouldn't be taking nearly three 3pt attempts more than House every game. He's a good passer - let's see an up-fake from the arc and a dish once in a while. Or, even better, mix it up in the post. He was definitely settling for shots last night.
I disagree. While House is the better shooter than 'Sheed, 'Sheed gets far more open looks than House does because lots of big men don't get out to cover 'Sheed on the 3 point line because teams want their center patrolling the paint defensively to help out. PG's don't have the same problem with House and House gets open a lot less of the time as a result.

Are we really complaining about a guy who is shooting over 42% from 3 and providing an incredible amount of floor spacing taking too many 3's? It's like Pete said, time to get over the idea of a 7 footer taking 3's.
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Re: Over/Under on Wallace 3 pointers? 

Post#11 » by hairybyrd » Thu Nov 5, 2009 6:17 pm

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hairybyrd wrote:So far this year, in 6 games, Wallace is 17-40 from beyond the arc (.425) and Eddie House is 12-25 (.480). Rasheed's shooting % is great but he shouldn't be taking nearly three 3pt attempts more than House every game. He's a good passer - let's see an up-fake from the arc and a dish once in a while. Or, even better, mix it up in the post. He was definitely settling for shots last night.
I disagree. While House is the better shooter than 'Sheed, 'Sheed gets far more open looks than House does because lots of big men don't get out to cover 'Sheed on the 3 point line because teams want their center patrolling the paint defensively to help out. PG's don't have the same problem with House and House gets open a lot less of the time as a result.

Are we really complaining about a guy who is shooting over 42% from 3 and providing an incredible amount of floor spacing taking too many 3's? It's like Pete said, time to get over the idea of a 7 footer taking 3's.


Good point and I agree with you to some extent. I'm not at all complaining about his shooting - his shooting is great. I'm complaining about the disparity between Wallace's 3 pt attempts and House's. Three more 3's per game totals out to 240+ for Rasheed over an 82 game season. I would like for Rasheed to mix it up because defense's are going to adapt to his game much more quickly if he's only shooting the 3-ball and rarely entering the post. Rasheed is going to take his shots - that's expected - but he's such a good post player and passer that it's not always beneficial to have him trailing from the 3 point line. I just want to see him mix it up a bit more but if he can shoot 42% for the entire season then I'll have no reason to complain. I hope he keeps it up but last night was the first instance where he really forced some shots and it wasn't looking too good.
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Re: Over/Under on Wallace 3 pointers? 

Post#12 » by kmgarnett21 » Thu Nov 5, 2009 6:41 pm

When he's making those 3's, we're unbeatable, like 2 nights ago in Philly. When he's off, it'll hurt our chances, like last night in 'sota. PRIME example of living and dying by the 3.

I didn't see anyone complaining about Sheed's 3's in the sixers game, but last night, almost everyone complained about him shooting. But that's how it always goes.

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Re: Over/Under on Wallace 3 pointers? 

Post#13 » by UGA Hayes » Thu Nov 5, 2009 6:51 pm

If anything, Rasheed isn't taking enough 3s. 42% is pretty dang good.
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Re: Over/Under on Wallace 3 pointers? 

Post#14 » by Cyclical » Thu Nov 5, 2009 8:50 pm

sam_I_am wrote:Would you be happier if Wallace shot 48% from the low post instead of 35% from the 3 pt line?


Why does it have to be instead? I think he can shoot about 50% from up close - as any good 7 footer should, AND shoot 35% from beyond the arc -- he just needs to change the ratio. It's a pipe dream though. He fell in love with the 3 in 99 when he shot 40% and never stopped. Like I said, when they fall it's all good. But when they don't it can really hurt. He needs to get to the line more, get the other team above the foul limit, fight for the occasional offensive rebound. There's much more to it than pure percentages.
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Re: Over/Under on Wallace 3 pointers? 

Post#15 » by SichtingLives » Thu Nov 5, 2009 9:10 pm

I notice Sheed setting up in the post more when he plays with KG. With Perk or Shelden it's been bombs away. It all depends on who's on the court. The lack of spacing our second unit could create last year hurt us, having two capable 3 point shooters (sometimes 3 with Ray or Paul) with the 2nd unit is definitely a good thing. And if they're all hitting at or around 40%, then keep on chuckin.
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Re: Over/Under on Wallace 3 pointers? 

Post#16 » by ParticleMan » Thu Nov 5, 2009 9:45 pm

I like Sheed standing out there because it opens up the floor for Daniels. i think MD hasn't actually taken as much advantage of this as he could. he seems to be able to post up guards at will and get good shots. it's true we've got a 3-pt shooting big, but we've also got a good post-up guard. it's inverted and i wouldn't want to live or die by that, but off the bench it's all good.
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Re: Over/Under on Wallace 3 pointers? 

Post#17 » by TheSheriff » Thu Nov 5, 2009 9:57 pm

GuyClinch wrote:People need to get over the idea of a big taking 3 point shots. It's his game. He can score from the inside once in while. But his outside shooting pulls opposing big men out - so Doc loves it.


Yeah Raef LaFrentz was such a great player to have...

I don't mind if half his shots are 3pters (never in his career have 50% of his attempts been 3s). This year he is averaging 11.4 3pt attempts per 36 min. He is only taking 15.1 attempts total per 36 per min. He has never done this before. The most 3pters he has ever attempted per 36 min is 5.6 and that year he attempted 13.8 total attempts per 36 min.

You say "we knew what we were getting..." I knew he would take 3pters, but why should i have expected him to completely abbandon the low post and midrange when that has ALWAYS been MOST of his offense.

Also Rasheed's 3pt% will fall.

He is hardly Jason Kapono, so it is not a good idea for him to completely leave the low post.
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Re: Over/Under on Wallace 3 pointers? 

Post#18 » by Bad-Thoma » Fri Nov 6, 2009 12:28 am

TheSheriff wrote:Yeah Raef LaFrentz was such a great player to have...


If Raef had Wallace's defense and overall basketball IQ he would have been a great player to have.
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Re: Over/Under on Wallace 3 pointers? 

Post#19 » by DelMonte West » Fri Nov 6, 2009 4:28 am

Bad-Thoma wrote:
TheSheriff wrote:Yeah Raef LaFrentz was such a great player to have...


If Raef had Wallace's defense and overall basketball IQ he would have been a great player to have.


Not to veer entirely off-topic, but if Raef had Wallace's health he would have been an excellent player. There's a reason he went as high as he did when originally drafted. He was already a very good shot-blocker and a strong post-defender before his mobility took a turn for the worse. I think a lot of people sleep on his potential had he stayed healthy.
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Re: Over/Under on Wallace 3 pointers? 

Post#20 » by MagicFan32 » Fri Nov 6, 2009 12:29 pm

All he does is shoot 3's now, good thing he can defend the post or he'd be useless for you
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