More cheating charges?????

Kefa461 · Post #1 » by **Kefa461** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:54 pm

BOSTON -- A source tells 7Sports that the gambler at the center of the 2008 NBA betting scandal says 13 referees were involved.

Jimmy "The Sheep" Battista pleaded guilty to conspiracy to transmit wagering information in connection with disgraced NBA official Tim Donaghy and served 15 months in federal prison.

The source also tells 7Sports that Battista claims he has the phone records to prove his contact with these 13 referees.

http://www3.whdh.com/news/articles/sports/BO130486/

8-)

MyInsatiableOne · Post #2 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:15 pm

Not surprised in the least...

Banks2Pierce · Post #3 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:50 pm

If those phone records are really released, this is an absolute bombshell.

Also, this is great for my mind. I have felt crazy for the past 10 yrs. Looks more and more like I was right.

Celtics_85 · Post #4 » by **Celtics_85** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:02 pm

He might have the records to prove this, but what is the difference between these refs being involved with betting or the league calling refs to call games for teams to make the ratings better? The league is just as involved as the betting is, it is all about the money. The league should be just as ashamed, as this has been reported like this guy says about the 13 refs.

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #5 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:12 pm

Shame on David Stern for not launching an investigation on this and trying to sweep it under the rug. The fact that they've been so mum about it kinda makes you think that they're partially guilty.

I really wish they'd still hold the draft lottery live too. They state that it makes for better TV with the current format, but I'm still of the opinion that Stern screwed us in 2007 for tanking. Kind of hypocritical when you think about it, since the League may have had a hand in deciding the outcomes of games as well. Besides, it would kind of be exciting watching GMs gathered around in a circle waiting for their lottery numbers to come up. :lol:

MyInsatiableOne · Post #6 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:25 pm

Don't doubt for a second Stern and the NBA are involved in this...they 100% are. Why do you think they were so quick to trash Donaghy? Because they knew he had the goods...same with his book. I believe him (he has nothing left to lose, why would he lie?) and neither does this new whistleblower. The NBA should change its name to the WWNBA (World Wrestling National Basket Brawl ASS-ociation)

Post #7 » by **sully00** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:56 pm

Just to be clear about something not to even be pro or con but to be on point. This was an FBI investigation, the league would not conduct a more thorough investigation. This guy is trying to sell a book but I don't believe he has a book deal. He does not have any phone records that the Feds and therefore the NBA do not already have. Could he have a disposable cell that has the goods or recorded phone conversations sure but just like the other side he has nothing until he shows it, and that means he sat on it instead of using it to avoid jail. That said the Feds hate losing and don't bring charges unless they have you dead to rights. So this guy might have something but I am not taking some dirt bag trying to make a buck's word for it.

Joselo16 · Post #8 » by **Joselo16** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:09 pm

I have always thought the corruption stems from the top, hence why the league hasn't taken any action. Sorry to bring this out but the 2007 draft was it for me when the 3 teams (C's included) that were tanking for the top pick were given the lowest possible picks, I mean what are the odds of that happening?! Plus I can see why they fix games to get better marquee matchups.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #9 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:09 pm

sully00 wrote:Just to be clear about something not to even be pro or con but to be on point. This was an FBI investigation, the league would not conduct a more thorough investigation. This guy is trying to sell a book but I don't believe he has a book deal. He does not have any phone records that the Feds and therefore the NBA do not already have. Could he have a disposable cell that has the goods or recorded phone conversations sure but just like the other side he has nothing until he shows it, and that means he sat on it instead of using it to avoid jail. That said the Feds hate losing and don't bring charges unless they have you dead to rights. So this guy might have something but I am not taking some dirt bag trying to make a buck's word for it.

This, to me, is the smoking gun in the whole thing...

cloverleaf · Post #10 » by **cloverleaf** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:19 pm

I'd guess it goes to the top, and the question is whether any of the additional refs getting named will finger the league itself.

TonyMontana · Post #11 » by **TonyMontana** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:15 pm

cloverleaf wrote:I'd guess it goes to the top, and the question is whether any of the additional refs getting named will finger the league itself.

Ya Im with Sully on this one, but your post as well as other peps posts just seem to be a bit wishful thinking. You keep brining the league into this, WHY?

If this is true what the hell does the league have to do with this coruption. Are you claiming that Stern or owners or G.Ms or players are involved with this as well or what??

I mean everyone keeps saying the LEAGUE the LEAGUE.

Some of you guys dont know how corruption works. Think about it a G.M an Owner and Player makes MUCH MUCH more money than he can wager on a bet that will satisfy his desire, for someone that make over 6 figures he isnt going to jerprodize that 6 figure salary for a measley thousand or even a ten thousand dollar bet.
Watch the Stevin Smith and Isaac Burton Jr. bribery in a point shaving scheme when they fixed four Sun Devils' games. I bet you if you watch that you wont be sitting here and claiming IF THE LEAGUE knew theory grabage.

The league didnt know the league wasnt involved. Its so much easier for a reff to choose the outcome of the game with a stupid call without even getting noticed.

Donhay didnt make millions of dollars on his bets. The bets he wagered were a measley 500 to 2000 dollar bets. When you start beating over 5000 dollars the casino starts recognizing your bets. In order to wager large bets you need a players card. A players card rolls off of your I.D and believe me casino host or dealer or managers know who you are. If the bets are rigged then the bookies know who to bet on and who not to bet on.

Do you realise points spreads change in Vegas constantly with the amount of bets being made withing every minute in the major casinos. Point spreads change constantly. The listed point spread the time you make your bet may be different from the point spread when the game starts.

So basically when lets say the spread between Lakers and Boston is Lakers -2 and everyone starts beatting on the Cs taking the Cs +2 then once the bets reach lets say 500k then the points start changing. In this case since everyone is putting their money on the Cs +2 then that means the spread will go up to lets say Lakers -1.5 thats how the gambling system works.

If the casino recognize that there are big bets getting dropped and the point spread starts to change then they will either pull the wages off or they will keep A VERY CLOSE EYE on that paticular game.

So my point is everyone that is sitting here and keep saying the league knew about this the league knew about that needs to really understand the concept or the reality of gambling and the corruption world of gambling.

The league wouldnt jeprodize a MULTI BILLION dollars industry to make a few freaking thousand dollar bets or even a million dollar bets since if they did then the Nevada/Jersey gaming board would have recognizing and believe me we wouldnt be sitting here watching any NBA games right now.

Every gambling corruption in sports has been the greed or the corruption of one or a group of individuals that are the bottom feeders of that sport............. NOT THE League.

Watch the doucmentory on the Arizona Sun Devils scandale.

In fact heres the link on the story.

http://www.asu.edu/studentaffairs/stude ... bling.html

By the way do you ever wonder why there is no professional teams in Vegas???

Joselo16 · Post #12 » by **Joselo16** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:43 pm

Well they just mentioned on Sports Tonight that it was reported that Ex-Kings assistant director of scouting Jack Mai was also betting on games.

Found story
http://www.news10.net/news/local/story. ... ryid=70890

TonyMontana · Post #13 » by **TonyMontana** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:21 am

Joselo16 wrote:Well they just mentioned on Sports Tonight that it was reported that a scout that used to be with the Sac Kings was also betting on games.

Found story
http://www.news10.net/news/local/story. ... ryid=70890

Right, again a nobody.

It is Sacramento Kings policy that anyone that is an employee of their NBA team form their traniners to their coaches to their players are not allowed to bet on any NBA teams or games. Since the owners Joe and Gavin Maloof are PART owners of the Palms Casino group in Las Vegas AND they are the owners of the Sacramento Kings then it is against the NBA rules as well as Nevadas Gaming Board.

Do you know that in Palms Casino as well as the other 4 casinos that Joe and Gavin are part owners in with the Maloof enterprises that there sports book cant wager any NBA games and none of their sports books have the NBA in their sports books. Again it is part of the agreement that the Maloof enterprises has agreed with the NBA and the Nevada Gaming Board since they are NBA owners.

So this guys case isnt the same as Donhays. This guy was Sac Kings Pacific coach, this guy was a respectful member of the Kings orginization. I dont know why he was realeased by the Kings so I dont know what was the reason for his termination.

Somehow I believe him betting on games was the reason for his termination since I know the Maloof are a very respectfull and professional family as well as owners in everything they do and this is a perfect example of how the whole 'LEAGUE" remark doesnt fit these crimes.
It very clear that owners that set high standard like Joe and Gavin that they wouldnt even allow an incident to effect their teams or their reputations.

Joselo16 · Post #14 » by **Joselo16** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:05 am

He might just be a nobody in that he was a assistant director of scouting, but the story should be that more people associated with the league are being revealed to have a shady side. I personally don't think that the league is involved with gambling but I do think this league is corrupt in many ways mainly in ways of controlling match-ups through the use of the refs.

TonyMontana · Post #15 » by **TonyMontana** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:42 am

Joselo16 wrote:He might just be a nobody in that he was a assistant director of scouting, but the story should be that more people associated with the league are being revealed to have a shady side. I personally don't think that the league is involved with gambling but I do think this league is corrupt in many ways mainly in ways of controlling match-ups through the use of the refs.

Right so he was an assistant director of scouting............ Im sure he had a lot of influence on the game and as well as the officials. Do you know what an assistant director of scouting does brah........... He finds players and since he played on the Taiwan national team and he scouted for players in Asia for crying out loud.

Here is a better exmaple. Do you recall the movie "THE AIR UP THERE" with Kevin Bacon?? Well thats what Jack Mai did for the Sacramento Kings in Asia, so I can really see him being someone that has a lot of pull in shaving points or manipulating players or coachs or reffs.

Now do you see how stupid this sounds. I dont mean you but this whole garbage by this guy getting slamed by the NBA as being part of an illegal gambling. Unless there is any connection of him being involved with anything that would connect him with taking part in shaving points or changing the outcome of the game then this is basically a internal issue by the Sacramento Kings own policy of players and coaching staff or anyone involved with the Sac Kings NBA team that arent allowed to bet on NBA games and like I saif before on my last post. They do honor and enforce that rule very very hard since not only can they lose their gambling license in Nevada, but they can also lose their rights to the Sacramento Kings franchise of the NBA.

Fencer reregistered · Post #16 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:50 am

Tony,

You're missing the point. The core accusation is:

A. The league was corrupt, for the sake of boosting ratings or whatever, in a way that is hard to detect and might well not be illegal.

B. The refs enforced the league's corruption on a game by game basis.

C. In connection with B), the refs had inside knowledge that allowed them to be helpful to gamblers and/or gamble successfully on their own.

Joselo16 · Post #17 » by **Joselo16** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:57 am

Whoa there Mr Montana, I never said he was important person in determining the outcomes of games. Also thanks for clarifying something I already knew about scouts! Oh and the "Air Up There" reference too, great movie, just can't get enough of a Kevin Bacon playing ball with the busted knee in an attempt to recruit the chiefs son! Love that movie, wonder if they have on Blu Ray!!!

If you didn't understand my post here is what I meant

I DONT Think the League (NBA) is involved in the shady gambling bussiness!!!

see where I typed "I personally don't think that the league is involved with gambling."

That said the league is dirty!

Joselo16 · Post #18 » by **Joselo16** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:58 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:Tony,

You're missing the point. The core accusation is:

A. The league was corrupt, for the sake of boosting ratings or whatever, in a way that is hard to detect and might well not be illegal.

B. The refs enforced the league's corruption on a game by game basis.

C. In connection with B), the refs had inside knowledge that allowed them to be helpful to gamblers and/or gamble successfully on their own.

This should be the real story of all these reports!

TonyMontana · Post #19 » by **TonyMontana** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:45 am

Joselo16 wrote: Whoa there Mr Montana, I never said he was important person in determining the outcomes of games. Also thanks for clarifying something I already knew about scouts! Oh and the "Air Up There" reference too, great movie, just can't get enough of a Kevin Bacon playing ball with the busted knee in an attempt to recruit the chiefs son! Love that movie, wonder if they have on Blu Ray!!!

If you didn't understand my post here is what I meant

I DONT Think the League (NBA) is involved in the shady gambling bussiness!!!

see where I typed "I personally don't think that the league is involved with gambling."

That said the league is dirty!

LOLLL Brah dont take what Im posting directed AT YOU. Im speaking in general.

But the fact still remains that when you inderctly say that THE LEAGUE is involved in this scandel and then you focus your accusation on an individual that is in NO POSITION to change or effect the outcome of ANY game then basically your wrong.

Fencer reregistered wrote: Tony,

You're missing the point. The core accusation is:

Again brah I hope you dont take my posts personally just like I told Jose. I do understand your point as well as other peps points, but these are all acusations as well as assuptions that realistically wouldnt stick in a court of law.

Joselo16 wrote:A. The league was corrupt, for the sake of boosting ratings or whatever, in a way that is hard to detect and might well not be illegal.

Right........... Says a Cs fan, but let be real here, if your a boxing promoter are you going to setup a fight with a heavy weight champ and another fighter that is ranked lets say in 234th in the IBF or WBC, NO you know why cause nobody would want to watch that.
Ratings would be low, sponsers wouldnt want to have any part in it. People wouldnt watch it.
Now if your talking about the NBA so what, every marketer marketing strategy is to put the top teams as well the top players to attract the public and all the sponsers, that goes for everything that involves in marketing.

Heres another example.

You guys recall last year how many of you kept insisting or accusing of the NBA of trying to get a Kobe Lebron finals. Everyday when you guys lost last year the first thing your posters did was come on here and accuse Stern of trying to make this years finals into a Kobe Lebron finals. Did it happen, NO so I guess that theory was idiotic. Right or wrong. It didnt happen yet you guys dwelled on it the whole season.

Fencer reregistered wrote:B. The refs enforced the league's corruption on a game by game basis.

Again your claims are all accusations and I will use my last example of your team. If it was game by game then why was it that Rondo didnt get ejected in the playoffs or suspended for his actions against the Bulls, why not?
To see a a Conf finals of Cs and Cavs maybe? According to you the ratings wouldve been great and the reffs could've done that, so is it fair to say that the league helped the Cs by not suspending Rondo?? See brah it all depends which team you ask and what their current situation is. In your case you guys got help from Stern yet the whole year you guys claimed that Stern wanted to see a Cavs Lakers finals. Alllllllllll assumptions.

Fencer reregistered wrote:C. In connection with B), the refs had inside knowledge that allowed them to be helpful to gamblers and/or gamble successfully on their own.

Right so you have one corrupted official that is bascially making a 1k dollars to 5000 dollars bets. You must've missed my previous post I made about how Vegas and Casinos monitor large bets and the fact that as heavy bets are made by ANYONE it doesnt matter who it is that the line will change once it gets to certain amount, Yet Vegas has no record of any large bets that was out of the ordinary to link to anyone involved in the NBA.

Also you can add all the other SO CALLED officials that are accused in certain games that some fans like to keep brining up in their so called NBA was involved theory or accusations. Official that have an excellent histroy and record with this league as well as their other postitions they hold outside of their NBA careers.

These are false accusations and assumptions and like I said before this is an isolated incident by one douche bag that was basically on the botton of the barrel that couldve made money and could have an effect on the outcome of the games he officiated.

Im not saying that others might not be involved Im sure there are, but to sit here and accuse the NBA of wrong doings you have to see what the NBA had to gain from all of this and would the jeprodize the BILLIONS of dollars they are making to rig games or outcome of games. I dont think so and this poor guy Jack Mai is basically being an target and being punished for probably simply betting on NBA games like me and you would.

He is basically getting treated like Pete Rose was for what Pete Rose did, but he wasnt invovled in changing the outcome of the game nor did he have any effect on the game.

I mean I really dont know how deep was his involvement or what he did but I have a feeling that this will simply get swept under the rug since it wasnt a big deal and if it was then Im sure more detail will surface in the up and coming days.

Joselo16 · Post #20 » by **Joselo16** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:22 am

"Right........... Says a Cs fan, but let be real here, if your a boxing promoter are you going to setup a fight with a heavy weight champ and another fighter that is ranked lets say in 234th in the IBF or WBC, NO you know why cause nobody would want to watch that.
Ratings would be low, sponsers wouldnt want to have any part in it. People wouldnt watch it.

Heres another example.

You guys recall last year how many of you kept insisting or accusing of the NBA of trying to get a Kobe Lebron finals. Everyday when you guys lost last year the first thing your posters did was come on here and accuse Stern of trying to make this years finals into a Kobe Lebron finals. Did it happen, NO so I guess that theory was idiotic. Right or wrong. It didnt happen yet you guys dwelled on it the whole season."

First of all Brah, When does being a fan of a certain team have anything to do with making certain accusations. If you recall correctly the year we beat your team for the championship, other fans were complaining that Stern wanted to bring back the old school rivalries, so by your logic since it did happen it must be true!?!

My thinking is that you can only control the game so much without making it so obvious, hence why Orlando won, but that is just my mind at work.

"Now if your talking about the NBA so what, every marketer marketing strategy is to put the top teams as well the top players to attract the public and all the sponsers, that goes for everything that involves in marketing."

So, it would be ok for you Brah, if the NBA to tell the refs to help out a certain team more than another just to get better match-ups?