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Trade CJ? 

Post#1 » by Piston Pete » Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:18 pm

Reading the Freep, Drew Sharp has an article about his opinion that the Lions should put CJ on the block this offseason for draft picks....

What do you think?

Part of me is - H3LL NO!!

The other part of me wonders just how much teams like Miami, Tennessee, Jacksonville, and Oakland might give up to get him.....
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Post#2 » by Liqourish » Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:14 pm

Hell no. We need as many quality players as we can get, not get rid of the few good ones we have. Mayhew is building this thing up right.

What we need is another WR to put opposite Calvin so he's not constantly double and triple teamed. He's struggling right now because he's got two and three guys drapped all over him everytime downfield. Add another quality receiver on the other side and Calvin will get open more.

Add in a RB who can break tackles and there will be balance in our offense. What if we could get Toby Gerhart (Heisman canidate RB from Stanford) in the 2nd round? He's big, has good speed. He's strong and can run through contact.

Our defense needs alot of help. But the one or two players/picks we get form Calvin will not solve all our problems and we add another a big hole at another position.
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Post#3 » by ajaX82 » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:52 pm

I think Kevin Walter from Houston would be perfect opposite CJ. He runs great routes, catches everything and is one of the best blocking WR's in the league. And he certainly isnt a diva, nor does he need touches to be effective.

He also played at Eastern Michigan, so coming home for him could be a thought
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Post#4 » by TSE » Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:40 pm

Well there are two ways of looking at this question, and depending on your perspective the answer could change.

Fact 1: Our team is horribly run, it has been for several years, and it is no better today.

Fact 2: If we aren't going to make a positive change in mngmt of the team, then we have a much longer wait until we can become a good or an elite team.

Fact 3: If all of a sudden we start managing the team brilliantly, then we have a shot at a very short turnaround time and can become a worst-to-first type team.

So, if you believe that the Lions are not going to be proactive into developing brilliant mngmt strategy, then it is in our best interest to trade CJ and let those next few years now that we can't make use of go to the value of another team that reciprocates back future prospects for us and lots of 'em. Logic would then dictate that a bad GM would inevitably have to be replaced and we would at least have a shot at a solid strategist coming in. Whereas if you believe that the Lions are going to do things differently and for the better, then we should not sell CJ, unless somebody wants to overpay to the point that you can't refuse.
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Post#5 » by Bartender » Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:14 pm

This ranges in the HELL NO to the FUUCK NO. All we need is a very fast wide receiver opposite CJ (Steve Smith, Lance Moore, Mike Wallace, etc.). Then a possession wide receiver like we had in Mike Furrey when he grabbed 100 receptions 1000 yards to play in the slot. Furrey was the reason Roy Williams was so good. Kevin Walter / Mike Furrey / Wes Welker type guy.

That makes for a DOMINANT WR core. NO has the perfect group of guys. Marques Colston, Lance Moore, Devery Henderson, Robert Meachum. That is a PERFECT group of guys for Brees to throw to. Stafford would have an absolute FIELD day with that protection and those weapons that NO has.

Draft a power back in the draft and an OL or two. The first round HAS to go to defense though. Either DB or DL.

My ideal draft would be getting Eric Berry in the first round, Brandon Ghee in the second round, Toby Gerhart or Jonathan Dwyer in the 3rd round then OL and DL the rest of the draft.
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Post#6 » by MicrowaveReborn » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:45 pm

Piston Pete wrote:Reading the Freep, Drew Sharp has an article about his opinion that the Lions should put CJ on the block this offseason for draft picks....

What do you think?

Part of me is - H3LL NO!!

The other part of me wonders just how much teams like Miami, Tennessee, Jacksonville, and Oakland might give up to get him.....


Trade Calvin Johnson! IMO, if the Lions can get multiple picks in THIS YEAR'S DRAFT...make the trade. The Lions have so many other needs to address. I do think that Mayhew and Schwartz know talent, and have done well in their first draft. We are slowly starting to build talent. Killer Kowalski had an article not long ago about concentrating totally on offense during the draft. He suggested selecting a RB in the first round and addressing the OL and wide receiving. His thinking was, if the offense was taken care of they would at least scores points...he is a dumb ass. My thinking is that we do the following, immediately:

1. Trade CJ for multiple draft picks (at least 1 first round and 1 second round and 1 third round pick). For example (NOT GONNA HAPPEN)...If Seattle (not that they need another WR) would be willing to to give up their 2 first round picks and their second round pick, in exchange for CJ. Or any other team giving up their Day 1 draft picks for CJ.

2. We concentrate solely on defense with our draft. We draft DL and CB.

3. Trade Sims for a third rounder.

4. The OL sucks, but that will have to wait until next year. RB is a need, too.

Bottom line, we need to build our talent base. Heck, even our return game sucks. In the past, at least the Lions had kicking and return men (Mel Gray and Desmond Howard)...they don't even have that anymore.
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Post#7 » by MicrowaveReborn » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:53 pm

Bartender wrote:All we need is a very fast wide receiver opposite CJ (Steve Smith, Lance Moore, Mike Wallace, etc.). Then a possession wide receiver like we had in Mike Furrey when he grabbed 100 receptions 1000 yards to play in the slot. Furrey was the reason Roy Williams was so good. Kevin Walter / Mike Furrey / Wes Welker type guy.


Easier said than done. You make it sound so easy. In jest, all we need is an outside rusher and a run stopper and a dominant NT, then we would have a killer DL. Come on man, The Lions defense is arguably the worst defense in NFL history...not kidding. This draft needs to concentrate 100% on defense and build that talent base. Last year, they could have drafted Oher, twice...but decided to draft TE instead. PLEASE...address one side of the ball. They could improve their talent tremendously in one draft if they trade Sims (3rd rounder) and address only defense. The Lions are a joke with their drafts (no surprise), lets stop the insanity and concentrate on defense for once...just once.
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Post#8 » by Bartender » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:59 pm

Our WR core is absolutely HORRID. CJ gets double and triple teamed every game cuz Bryant Johnson sucks ass and Derrick Williams is not a threat at all.

Giving away CJ would be horrible for our offense and Stafford's development. Why sacrifice the only offense we have to make our defense better? We would turn our horrible defense to an average-bad defense but would turn our pretty good offense to a horrible offense. Not the answer.
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Post#9 » by MicrowaveReborn » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:16 pm

Bartender wrote:Our WR core is absolutely HORRID. CJ gets double and triple teamed every game cuz Bryant Johnson sucks ass and Derrick Williams is not a threat at all.

Giving away CJ would be horrible for our offense and Stafford's development. Why sacrifice the only offense we have to make our defense better? We would turn our horrible defense to an average-bad defense but would turn our pretty good offense to a horrible offense. Not the answer.


Reality, the Lions just lost their only RB that does anything - and he is really a WR in a RB body. Morrie has a fluke game. The running game is what makes the offense tick. Adding more WR's is not going to fix the offense. Adding a speedy receiver and a possession receiver is noteworthy, but not gonna happen. Your thoughts are dead on, but this draft should concentrate on the defense, they are last in the NFL...have been for many years. It is not going to change the past, but I didn't think Stafford should have been drafted to been with. Do I think he is going to be good one day, yes. But, we need to get better QUICKLY! The Lions drafting WR's and QB's before they have solid protection and defense is like asking Nolan Ryan to pitch a no-hitter, but then sending no one to the plate for run support or still losing 1-0 on an error. Makes no sense.
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Post#10 » by Bartender » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:48 pm

Whether you wanted Stafford drafted or not is besides the point. He's here and CJ is the only receiver he can throw too confidently. Our number one concern is developing Matt to the best he can be. Kevin Smith was absolutely ridiculous bad this year. He was good catching out of the backfield but he could not break a tackle to save his life. Our OLine was actually pretty decent in run blocking this year. They gave Kevin Smith 3 yards without being touched almost every time. After that, it's up to Kevin and he failed. I think this injury was the best thing that could have happened to us cuz now we can look for a better RB and hopefully Schwartz falls in love with him.
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