Sac - Bulls

outlaw81 · Post #1 » by **outlaw81** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:44 pm

While reading the article about Sac looking to trade KMartin I started to think what can the bulls give up to get him with out jeoperdizing 2010. This is what I came up with.

Trade 1
Chicago send Thomas and Deng for Martin and filler

Trade 2
Chicago sends thomas and hinrich for Martin.

I think both trades helps fill needs for both teams.

Trade 1

Thomas would provide some front court help and the idea he will get it and provide 18 and 10 every night. Deng would be there SF of the future. For Chicago it gives them that outside 3 point threat that will help spread the floor for Rose. Plus this wont hurt there 2010 chances or landing Amare or Bosh.

Trade 2

As I said before Thomas will provide the front court help they seek and with hinrich they get a good PG to play along side Evans.

Hinrich
Evans
Noci
Thomas
Spencer.

Let me know your thoughts. Plus the bulls would be willing to throw in 2011 1st unprotected

rpa · Post #2 » by **rpa** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:48 pm

outlaw81 wrote:While reading the article about Sac looking to trade KMartin

If you think that's what it said then it's quite obvious you didn't read it.

PS - Your trades blow for the Kings. Completely and utterly horrific.

dozencousins · Post #3 » by **dozencousins** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:50 pm

T,thomas in a deal SAC can use however SAC has no need for Hinrich or DENG

Padawan · Post #4 » by **Padawan** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:56 pm

bdgking wrote:T,thomas in a deal SAC can use however SAC has no need for Hinrich or DENG

The Kings see Evans as a 2 or as a point? If they wanna give him the ball that would kill the Hinrich deal, if they want to try him off the ball then that may be a good deal for both...

outlaw81 · Post #5 » by **outlaw81** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:56 pm

why don't you need Hinrich, who is going to play the PG, also who is your small forward. Does the rookie for Israel play the 3. If so i understand you not needing Deng. As for Hinrich he is a huge upgrade for you guys at the point if you move evans to SG

rpa · Post #6 » by **rpa** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:00 pm

outlaw81 wrote:why don't you need Hinrich, who is going to play the PG, also who is your small forward. Does the rookie for Israel play the 3. If so i understand you not needing Deng. As for Hinrich he is a huge upgrade for you guys at the point if you move evans to SG

Hinrich isn't a huge upgrade. He's been 1 of the worst players in the league for the past couple seasons and a giant contract (for 2 more years after this one) to boot. I'd be shocked if he could even fetch expiring contracts at this point.

outlaw81 · Post #7 » by **outlaw81** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:03 pm

I don't understand why hinrich gets such a huge neg rap. If they never drafted rose hinrich would have been the starter the last 1.5 yrs and averaged 16 and 8 while playing good defense. To me he might still be a little overpaid but when givin 35 minutes a game he produces.

rpa · Post #8 » by **rpa** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:07 pm

outlaw81 wrote:I don't understand why hinrich gets such a huge neg rap. If they never drafted rose hinrich would have been the starter the last 1.5 yrs and averaged 16 and 8 while playing good defense. To me he might still be a little overpaid but when givin 35 minutes a game he produces.

He's getting 30mpg so far this year and putting up a PER of 10.1; last year and the year before he put up PERs in the 13s--the average is 15.

Kirk Hinrich is a BAD player. People keep trying to give him the value he had 4-5 years ago but he flat out is NOT that player anymore.

Joe Buddy · Post #9 » by **Joe Buddy** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:08 pm

How about Salmons and Miller for Nocioni and Kenny Thomas....then swap Thomas for Drew Gooden and a TPE.

I kid I kid.

Rockazoids · Post #10 » by **Rockazoids** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:13 pm

outlaw81 wrote:Thomas would provide some front court help and the idea he will get it and provide 18 and 10 every night.

If you think Thomas can get you 18 and 10 why in the hell would you trade him?

Bac2Basics · Post #11 » by **Bac2Basics** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:29 pm

bdgking wrote:T,thomas in a deal SAC can use however SAC has no need for Hinrich or DENG

THIS

outlaw81 · Post #12 » by **outlaw81** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:36 pm

change of Scenery sometimes does a player well. Also if he got 35 minutes a game he might average that, but for some reason vinny del won't give him consistant minutes

Brandon-Clyde · Post #13 » by **Brandon-Clyde** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:38 pm

outlaw81 wrote:I don't understand why hinrich gets such a huge neg rap. If they never drafted rose hinrich would have been the starter the last 1.5 yrs and averaged 16 and 8 while playing good defense. To me he might still be a little overpaid but when givin 35 minutes a game he produces.

The year before Rose arrived in Chicago Hinrich only averaged 11.5ppg and 6.0apg. Hinrichs decline started BEFORE Rose was drafted and has continued since

dozencousins · Post #14 » by **dozencousins** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:40 pm

there was nothing to read bac2basics what do you want me to see ?

outlaw81 · Post #15 » by **outlaw81** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:50 pm

The year before rose was draft hinrich was injuried for 2-3 months with a thumb issue. Also if you look at the numbers a little closer, his numbers declined because he got less minutes. Makes sense to me. Teh year before rose was drafted hinrich average 30.5 minutes a game down from 36-37 minutes. Hence the decline in his numbers.

scottyg · Post #16 » by **scottyg** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:00 pm

if u think hinrich is a bad player then obviously you know nothing bout basketball...hinrichs defense is still much better than most pgs in the league. why dont you guys just actually watch a bulls game and see. the guy is 6'3 playing out of position at the sg position and has much bigger n stronger sg guarding him . put them smaller pgs on him and his shooting % goes up, his stats go up and the guy is great leader...also he plays great off the ball. he would be a great fit on off tyreke evens. look at hinrichs stats since being inserted back in the starting lineup then bash on him. i would agree his contract is bad and he is overpaid but to say hes a bad player is just ludacris. he would make alota sense in sac town cuz his contract declines. brings leadership and playoff exp and most of all his contract comes off the books just in time to resign thompson which plays a major role.

rpa · Post #17 » by **rpa** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:01 pm

scottyg wrote:if u think hinrich is a bad player then obviously you know nothing bout basketball...hinrichs defense is still much better than most pgs in the league. why dont you guys just actually watch a bulls game and see. the guy is 6'3 playing out of position at the sg position and has much bigger n stronger sg guarding him . put them smaller pgs on him and his shooting % goes up, his stats go up and the guy is great leader...also he plays great off the ball. he would be a great fit on off tyreke evens. look at hinrichs stats since being inserted back in the starting lineup then bash on him. i would agree his contract is bad and he is overpaid but to say hes a bad player is just ludacris. he would make alota sense in sac town cuz his contract declines. brings leadership and playoff exp and most of all his contract comes off the books just in time to resign thompson which plays a major role.

FYI: good veteran players don't have PERs of 10.

dozencousins · Post #18 » by **dozencousins** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:05 pm

If nothing else Hinrich is not needed as we have T.EVANS with BENO & SERGIO as back ups unless the KINGS want to move EVANS to the 2 guard wich i doubt they will there is no point trading for Hinrich & paying him BIG CONTRACT to be a back up.

BR0D1E86 · Post #19 » by **BR0D1E86** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:06 pm

I think Hinrich would benefit greatly from a change of scenery and think he’s pretty underrated on these boards.

That said, he hasn’t been very good this year and to argue otherwise is a mistake. He hasn’t been terrible because his defense is still good and his shooting is coming around, but he needs to play better.

outlaw81 · Post #20 » by **outlaw81** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:11 pm

I feel that the per rating doesn't reflect the defensive abilities of a player. Come on Luke ridnor is in the top 50 and so is kelenna azukike. Also there is 5 PGs in the top 50 and also when you play a PG out of positive at the 2 where he is guarding and being guarded by bigger players, your numbers are going to suffer. Its to bad the bulls haven't been smart enough to get a real 2 while Hinrich started. You would have seen a great improvement in stats. The PER rating is overrated just like the BCS computer rankings. If we didn't draft rose I would be very happy with Hinrich at the Pg