OT: HOF???

[rickbrunson]

Just thinking today about current players that I would say are locks for the HOF. There are some really obvious picks such as KG, Kobe, etc, but a few seem really up in the air, and I wanted to get your opinion on these guys' chances for the Hall:

1) Vince Carter- Tons of points, spectacular dunker, never really a winner. Had some amazing statistical years, but has never been considered a top-5 player in the league at any given time, let alone the best. A compiler on bad teams. Never the best player on a good team. The stats are impressive, though:

Career: 23.2 ppg 5.4 rpg 4.2 apg 1.2 spg 0.8 bpg 44.5% 0 titles


2) Ray Allen- A great pure shooter who was even a great scorer with Seattle in his prime, but did not play any meaningful games until the dusk of his career. With the Celtics he finally got a ring, but he was the third option on that team with two other guys I consider HOF locks.

Career: 20.7 4.4 3.7 1.2 0.2 44.8% 1 title

3) Manu Ginobili- Not about the stats, but a huge-impact player for a three-time championship team in the NBA, along with a terrific international record prior to his Spurs years. Never the best player on his team, but probably the second-best in San Antonio's dynasty, along with great defense and terrific clutch performance. A short career, and stats are not impressive:

Career: 14.6 4 3.6 1.5 0.3 45% 3 titles

4) Tracy McGrady- Big time scorer, but very Carter-like when it comes to winning. Has never made it out of the first round, but was the best scorer in the league for a year or so with the Magic. Injured a lot, but tremendous talent.

Career: 21.9 6.1 4.7 1.3 0.9 43.6% 0 titles


5) Alonzo Mourning- Great defensive center who was still capable of 20 ppg. One of the better C's of his era, despite being undersized. 7x all star, 2x DPOY, never got a championship until riding dwyane and shaq's coattails in 2006 although he was involved in many epic playoff battles with the Knicks. Biggest issue: health. Never really had a healthy year, and never played 80 games in a season. Has been in many great off-the court causes as well. Career cut short because of kidney disease, so stats aren't as good in average or total as they might have been:

Career: 17.1 8.5 1.1 0.5 2.8 52.7% 1 title

6) Dikembe Mutombo- The best defensive center post-Russell? Only Hakeem had more blocks, and Mutoimbo actually built his career on them. 8x all-star, 6x all defensive team. A tremendous rebounder that played forever, and one of the most respected players to ever play. Robert Parish without the rings and half the offense. Has done a ton of work abroad for charitable causes.

Career: 9.8 10.3 1.0 0.4 2.8 51.8% 0 titles


Opinions? And BTW, please do not give me some "x-player is 60% to get in" answer. The point is to give yes/no and why. I already know it's up in the air, and would like definitive responses.

[rhp1990]

I would go with ray, mourning, mutombo

[Hunter103]

I would go with ray, mourning, mutombo

+1, but I bet Carter gets in on his name some day.

[crazyeights]

I'd go with those three, too. Ray Allen is one of the best shooters ever. He's in the hall for sure, IMO.

Vince shouldn't. The peak of his career was that slam dunk contest.

[WezzyP]

Ray for sure

[Asianiac_24]

I think the only player that would not make it is T-Mac.

[vbonik]

unless.....houston buy him out. then t-mac sign w lakers. then we go on a 4 peat... then he's a lock for hof

[daddyfivestar]

"who wants to sex mutombo"

just had to


for the guards on the list... I'll use Goodrich as a comparison benchmark:
18.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.7 apg, 1.3 spg, 45.6% fg, 1 ring 5 finals

Carter - yes, unfortunately
Allen - probably, likeable
Ginobili - no, see DJ below
McGrady - no

Ginobili = Dennis Johnson
DJ: 14.1 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 5.0 apg, 1.3 spg, 44.5 fg, 3 rings and 6 finals apps with Sea and Bos.
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