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Latest Trade Buzz: Caron, Iggy Goners? Updates PG 3 & 4 

Post#1 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Sun Feb 7, 2010 10:18 pm

The NBA's Feb. 18 trade deadline is less than two weeks away.

Not sufficiently close enough to prompt teams to make their best offers ... but obviously close enough to merit another round of the latest chatter from the NBA grapevine as passed along by various league executives, coaches, players, scouts, insiders, etc.

Kevin Martin, Andre Iguodala and Caron Butler continue to be the three swingmen most frequently linked with Mark Cuban's trade-seeking Mavericks, who have been stonewalled in their attempts to pry Martin away from Sacramento and thus have not ruled out a move for Butler.

Sources say that Washington and Dallas have maintained a Butler dialogue while the Wizards also continue talks with Houston in a larger deal for Tracy McGrady.

As stated previously in this cyberspace, Martin tops the Mavs' list in their search for a dependable second scorer to flank Dirk Nowitzki. Sources say, however, that Dallas would likely have to recruit a third team to present the quality big man presumably needed to prompt the Kings to alter their thinking.

The Wiz and Mavs, meanwhile, have discussed a deal that would swap Josh Howard and one other player (such as James Singleton or Quinton Ross) for Butler and DeShawn Stevenson. But Dallas has little interest in taking back Stevenson and is still weighing whether Butler can help pull the All-Star Weekend hosts out of a spiral that has been openly addressed this week (see Box 4) by Mark Cuban.

"We're just in a funk right now," Cuban said Wednesday night, publicly acknowledging his desire to make a move just a week before much of the league descends upon Big D.

As for a Wizards-Rockets deal, one source with knowledge of the talks says the obstacles preventing the teams from closing in on a McGrady deal haven't changed much. The Wizards are believed to be willing to surrender coveted center Brendan Haywood along with Butler but want a player from Houston's scrappy core -- such as Luis Scola, Carl Landry or Shane Battier -- that the Rockets aren't willing to surrender in addition to McGrady's $22.5 million expiring contract.

As my ESPN.com colleague Chad Ford wrote Thursday, Washington's preference is moving Butler ahead of team statesman Antawn Jamison, who has been chased hard by Cleveland since last season and with particular vigor since the Cavs lost out to Charlotte in the trade race to acquire Stephen Jackson.

The revelation of the week is that Phoenix, forever conscious of the luxury-tax line, is apparently willing to take on both Andre Iguodala (who has four seasons left on his contract after this season worth $56 million) and Samuel Dalembert (scheduled to earn $12 million next season) from Philadelphia in a deal for Amare Stoudemire.

Yet it's believed that the Suns would want the Sixers to take back Jason Richardson in such a swap, which would also require Philly to send another player (such as Jason Kapono or Willie Green) to the desert.

Stoudemire's loud suggestions this week that he might not opt out of his contract at season's end, as Chad likewise noted, were likely designed to give the Sixers further hesitation. The prospect of having to pay Stoudemire and Richardson next season -- as opposed to Stoudemire relieving them of any financial commitment beyond this season in his case by opting out -- would bring Philly no financial relief, which is one of its main trade aims.

The Sixers, just to be clear, do still hope to snag some affordable talent in addition to payroll relief if they part with Iguodala, who might be overpriced but still qualifies as an unquestionable all-around impact player who's just 26.

That should explain why one plugged-in source warned this week that it won't be a surprise if Philly does not make a deadline deal.

Iguodala has been made available after Philly got nowhere with its long-standing attempts to move Dalembert and Elton Brand.

The Blazers have insisted for weeks that guard Andre Miller, no matter how many rival teams describe him as available and despite Portland's obvious need for big men after losing Greg Oden and Joel Przybilla to season-ending knee injuries, will not be traded.

Yet it had to be asked last Saturday after Miller's eruption in Dallas: Does a 52-point game make Miller even less available ... or more desirable?

"I don't know," Miller said. "It's one night. It's still a business. Whatever happens, happens."

It has been widely suspected from the moment Portland signed Miller in the offseason, after failed free-agent bids for Hedo Turkoglu and Paul Millsap, that the Blazers snagged the 33-year-old purely to make sure they acquired a tradable asset without letting last summer's salary-cap space go to waste.

The ongoing skepticism about Miller's co-existing with Brandon Roy, since both need to see so much of the ball to be effective, has been temporarily hushed while Roy is sidelined by a hamstring injury. Yet Miller admits that he does "glance on the Internet" on occasion to read the latest chatter, expecting to hear his name tossed around until the deadline passes because he's a vet who knows how the league works.

"I hear more [trade speculation] from friends, but if I'm on the computer, why not?" Miller said. "You can try, but you can't shut it out [totally]. I take it in stride."

I read a tweet earlier this week from a certain Boston fan at our place urging his Celts to scrap any notion of dealing away Ray Allen unless they're getting Sacramento's Martin, Philadelphia's Iguodala, Golden State's Monta Ellis or Chicago's Luol Deng in return.

Amid growing skepticism that the Celts can actually move Allen and his $19.7 million contract before the deadline -- even though there's little dispute that they've explored the possibility -- let's go ahead anyway and add these thoughts to the latter two targets since we've already discussed Martin and Iguodala.

Ellis: As with Miller in Portland, rival teams refuse to believe that Ellis can't be pried away from the Warriors, since he's ringing up all those points in a too-small backcourt with prized rookie Stephen Curry.

The Warriors, though, are adamant that there was never a shred of validity to the recent report out of Boston suggesting that a deal featuring Allen and Ellis was a legit possibility.

The safest assumption at this point? As mentioned earlier this season when the prospect of Golden State's trading young Anthony Randolph was raised, teams would almost certainly have to be willing to absorb the contract of Corey Maggette (with nearly $31 million left on that deal over the next three seasons) to get an Ellis conversation started.

Deng: Sources with knowledge of the Bulls' thinking say he's not available, even though Chicago is determined to shed at least one more long-term contract to increase its salary-cap space for a summertime run at Dwyane Wade or Chris Bosh.


Word is that the Bulls' preference remains trying to move guards Kirk Hinrich and John Salmons, hoping that they can keep the versatile Deng to complement a marquee free-agent addition and the increasingly free-scoring Derrick Rose.

Harder to read are the Lakers' true intentions. They're frequently mentioned as a prime suitor for Hinrich, but there are also regular rumblings that L.A.'s primary goal at the deadline is reducing payroll by persisting with recent attempts to move Sasha Vujacic or Luke Walton. Hinrich has two seasons and $17 million left on his contract after this season.


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On this list, players id go after would be:

Caron Butler
Andre Iguodala
Corey Maggette

hopefully BC can net Caron, looks like theyd rather trade him and i think Jose + Wright + O'Byrant + 2nd for Butler + Stevenson + Boykins still is a deal that makes sense for both, they dump Stevenson, get Calderon as their future PG, also get Wright whos increased his value. It would have to be made in 2 parts though (Boykins for TE + 2nd) then do the rest of the deal.

So what do you guys think. Thought id post this start some conversation, what would you want BC to do? Trade Jose if it netted us Butler or stand pat?
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Post#2 » by Rhettmatic » Sun Feb 7, 2010 10:20 pm

Thanks for the post Rapsobsessed, but can you edit to include a link?
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Post#3 » by Indiana Jones » Sun Feb 7, 2010 10:22 pm

caron and iggy are quality wings that i would have confidence in come playoff time...but i doubt they will accept a deal that centres on jose calderon and expirings...my guess is they'd want amir or DD to be packaged somehow...and that ain't gonna happen
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Post#4 » by Michael Jordan » Sun Feb 7, 2010 10:27 pm

Caron, Martin, or Iggy on Dallas would put them at the finals.
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and Terry off the bench assuming they give up Howard and fillers would be great for them.
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Post#5 » by elitehunter99 » Sun Feb 7, 2010 10:27 pm

Butler just hit that game winning shot against the Tragic...... and ppl on this board are stating he is on the decline.... :roll:

Getting Butler on the Raps could be the most realistic, low risk/high reward scenario for this team.
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Post#6 » by ChetM » Sun Feb 7, 2010 10:32 pm

I wouldn't mind caron and I would love to see igoudala in a raps jersey but hell no to maggette noooo way I want him on this team
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Post#7 » by Calderon » Sun Feb 7, 2010 10:37 pm

elitehunter99 wrote:Butler just hit that game winning shot against the Tragic...... and ppl on this board are stating he is on the decline.... :roll:

Getting Butler on the Raps could be the most realistic, low risk/high reward scenario for this team.

So because he hit one shot, we should ignore the rest of the season? Right :lol:.
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Post#8 » by Dr Positivity » Sun Feb 7, 2010 10:39 pm

I expect that Iggy/Dalembert for Amare/Jrich/Kapono or Green deal to go down, possibly just Iggy and Kapono for Amare

Word is Philly doesn't even want to resign Amare. They just want to dump Iggy and getting Amare back looks better and sells more tickets than trading him for Bobby Simmons or something, plus they can S&T him later
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Post#9 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Sun Feb 7, 2010 10:40 pm

Rhettmatic wrote:Thanks for the post Rapsobsessed, but can you edit to include a link?


yep no problem
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Post#10 » by Dr Positivity » Sun Feb 7, 2010 10:40 pm

I could see Dallas biting on Iggy/Dalembert for expirings though. Cuban wants to win. Kidd/Iggy/Marion/Dirk/Dalembert with Terry as the 6th = WOW
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Post#11 » by saham » Sun Feb 7, 2010 10:41 pm

Indiana Jones wrote:caron and iggy are quality wings that i would have confidence in come playoff time...but i doubt they will accept a deal that centres on jose calderon and expirings...my guess is they'd want amir or DD to be packaged somehow...and that ain't gonna happen


I wouldn't mind letting Amir or DD go in a deal where we can get Iggy in return.

Calderon + Derozan for Iggy
Calderon + Amir for Iggy

BC would trade Amir OR DeRozan if he gets Iggy in return.
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Post#12 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Sun Feb 7, 2010 10:45 pm

ive posted this a lot but here it is again if we want Caron i think this deal works.

Raptors Send: TE (Kapono trade) + 2010 Second
Wizards Send: Boykins

then

Raptors Send: Calderon + Wright + O"Byrant
Wizards Send: Butler + Stevenson

Deal 1 has to happen 1st because they have 15 players and you cant ever go over that, dump Stevenson, get a 2nd, get a PG and get Wright.

Saves them maximum amount of money, 3.5 million instantly which is 7 million in tax, 5.7 million next year,

Jack/Boykins/Banks
Butler/Belinelli/Stevenson
Hedo/Derozan/Weems
Bosh/Evans
Bargnani/Johnson/Nesterovic

solid solid team, 2nd round IMO and we have Banks + Stevenson + Evans expiring in 2011 along with Butler.
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Post#13 » by Rembokz » Sun Feb 7, 2010 10:46 pm

Wow i post a similar one about a month ago and it gets deleted.... Bull Shet
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Post#14 » by EventHorizon » Sun Feb 7, 2010 10:54 pm

Butler is attractive because he could be had for cheap, like Jose+exp. However Iguodala is more suitable to this team and is the long-term solution at the SG. Both DeRozan and Amir are fair game for Iggy, even a 2012 pick.
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Post#15 » by ghuytro » Sun Feb 7, 2010 10:55 pm

We'd be deadly in the playoffs with Caron Butler. Just deadly.
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Post#16 » by plainballing » Mon Feb 8, 2010 12:43 am

Indiana Jones wrote:caron and iggy are quality wings that i would have confidence in come playoff time...but i doubt they will accept a deal that centres on jose calderon and expirings...my guess is they'd want amir or DD to be packaged somehow...and that ain't gonna happen


Personally I prefer Iggy...but I think Iggy's game will take some space away from DD so let's get Butler!
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Post#17 » by Prop » Mon Feb 8, 2010 1:00 am

plainballing wrote:
Indiana Jones wrote:caron and iggy are quality wings that i would have confidence in come playoff time...but i doubt they will accept a deal that centres on jose calderon and expirings...my guess is they'd want amir or DD to be packaged somehow...and that ain't gonna happen


Personally I prefer Iggy...but I think Iggy's game will take some space away from DD so let's get Butler!


so what, its iggy!
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Post#18 » by koolguy » Mon Feb 8, 2010 1:04 am

Iggy over butler.

Butler is the type of player that generates points from having the ball in his hands. I don't recall him being a good off-the-ball scorer plus he's more of an outside shooter and we really don't need more of that in our starting lineup.

Iggy on the other hand is just 26, very athletic, an underrated passer, and good at attacking the rim. doesn't need the ball as much as butler to be effective. also a better defender and rebounder (at least this season).

EDIT: I think we'd have to at least give up DD to get one of these guys
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Post#19 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Mon Feb 8, 2010 2:03 am

id do Calderon + Derozan for Iggy + Holiday in an instant.
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Post#20 » by saham » Mon Feb 8, 2010 2:21 am

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:id do Calderon + Derozan for Iggy + Holiday in an instant.


But Philly won't do it. You have to make sure its not onesided and i think they have Holiday in their long term plans so they won't include him. If we need a PG in return we would prolly get Royal Ivey if we include a 2nd round pick to make it a fair trade.

So it would look like this:

Toronto Sends Calderon + Derozan/Amir + 2nd round pick
Philly Sends Iggy + Ivey
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