Bears 2023 thread V

[TheJordanRule]

There isn't a franchise QB available every year, but the top QBs just zip to the top of the first round no matter what. And its consistently a position that isn't really that easy to assess. Why not take a less risky star player?

We have cap space and the defense is like two impact players and a little development away from being really good. The team is close, just roll with Fields and put better players around him.

It isn't a generic quarterback draft. And you can't ignore the need. A HOF receiver is a luxury. MHJ is supposed to be Megatron, who never went to a Superbowl. Quarterbacks win Superbowls. Or are a billion times more likely to than a receiver.

Close to what?

Ugh. Maybe Fleet’s just saying the harsh reality. I honestly don’t know. At the end of the day, people are tired of Justin’s TO’s. A QB with hands so bad and a sense of timing so bad that he averages about one fumble per game is hard to wait on. Now, if Justin keeps winning games, maybe it won’t be so hard to tolerate him but I don’t think his ceiling even matters anymore unless he improves his floor. Maybe that’s what went on here. We did get a W.

[dice]

DJ Moore goes over 1000 yards receiving after this game.

vegas over/under was under 1000 for season

His talent jumps off the screen, hes the best player on this offense by multiple deviations.

This win was hilariously rough and no doubt he's not happy about the draft capital impact, but Mr Ryan Poles stock is trending upwards right now. Between Sweat's small sample size elite impact and the insane potential dividends that Panthers trade is proving to show (even though we did miss out on a potential generational QB, that is the hardest trick to pull off and the difference between bums and legends in the GM/coaching world). But the utter humiliation that Poles had put on him with the Claypool trade is looking a bit further away now that Sweat looks like the monster he has been in these few weeks.

sweat certainly hasn't been elite, just a big upgrade

[Kurt Heimlich]

vegas over/under was under 1000 for season

His talent jumps off the screen, hes the best player on this offense by multiple deviations.

This win was hilariously rough and no doubt he's not happy about the draft capital impact, but Mr Ryan Poles stock is trending upwards right now. Between Sweat's small sample size elite impact and the insane potential dividends that Panthers trade is proving to show (even though we did miss out on a potential generational QB, that is the hardest trick to pull off and the difference between bums and legends in the GM/coaching world). But the utter humiliation that Poles had put on him with the Claypool trade is looking a bit further away now that Sweat looks like the monster he has been in these few weeks.

sweat certainly hasn't been elite, just a big upgrade

Ok mr semantic pants man, let this be my edit: "Sweat's small sample size *big upgrade* impact"

[Jeffster81]

It isn't a generic quarterback draft. And you can't ignore the need. A HOF receiver is a luxury. MHJ is supposed to be Megatron, who never went to a Superbowl. Quarterbacks win Superbowls. Or are a billion times more likely to than a receiver.

Rather have the impact talent WR over the mediocre QBs who are destined to be reaches in the draft.

[Dominator83]

To keep fans miserable? I'm not quite sure why, tbh...

But I believe you know better than that. We won THIS game because our defense stepped up in a big way. That’s major! Why? Because it’s starting to give us some type of an identity on one side of the football. That’s a good thing from a team perspective once folks can get their minds off the QB and look at things on a broader scale.

This defense is an imprint of Flus. I want no parts of Flus as of this moment. Outside of liking the talent on that side of the ball, I dont care about that side of the ball. What they produce means nothing to me.

Agreed. Doesn't matter how good your defense is if you don't have a QB. 2002, 2006, 2018 we had great defenses. They were wasted by bad QBs

[fleet]

It isn't a generic quarterback draft. And you can't ignore the need. A HOF receiver is a luxury. MHJ is supposed to be Megatron, who never went to a Superbowl. Quarterbacks win Superbowls. Or are a billion times more likely to than a receiver.

Rather have the impact talent WR over the mediocre QBs who are destined to be reaches in the draft.

Nobody can argue that general statement. That kid from NC is going to have a very high floor. Def not mediocre. Big arm that will get the ball out quick to run the offense. That would be a vast improvement. Ben Rothlesburger with more mobility is the type we are talking about. Of course, you don’t count on that? But he will improve the QB position on the Bears.

[MoSalad]

I mean if Andrew Luck or Trevor Lawrence was the prize at least it could make sense. Instead we have Drake Maye, Bo Nix, and Caleb Williams.

The thing with Fields is he has measurably improved every season even though we have pretty much been a dumpster fire every season.

[jnrjr79]

Clarifying night.
- Captain Safety Flus and Screen Pass Getsy both suck and need to go
- Fields ain’t it. Those fumbles prove it. Two drives to win the game. One fumble one 20 yard pass.

Poles had a good night…
- Sweat and Dexter looked dominant
- DJ is our whole offense
- Roshon looked good despite the fumble
- Brisker Gordon and Edwards looked really good.

No. You can’t keep Flus now that the D looks solid. He needs to go. We can get a DC that can get even more out of these guys.

In the end, I think Flus needs to go, but the Bears should 100% be firing Getsy this week and getting someone else up and running over the bye to call plays when they are back 2 weeks from now, just to see how it looks.

[jnrjr79]

But I believe you know better than that. We won THIS game because our defense stepped up in a big way. That’s major! Why? Because it’s starting to give us some type of an identity on one side of the football. That’s a good thing from a team perspective once folks can get their minds off the QB and look at things on a broader scale.

This defense is an imprint of Flus. I want no parts of Flus as of this moment. Outside of liking the talent on that side of the ball, I dont care about that side of the ball. What they produce means nothing to me.

Agreed. Doesn't matter how good your defense is if you don't have a QB. 2002, 2006, 2018 we had great defenses. They were wasted by bad QBs

Joe Flacco would like a word.

[molepharmer]

I was glad to get the win and am hoping for more wins this season. Guess I'm a terrible fan.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

I was glad to get the win and am hoping for more wins this season. Guess I'm a terrible fan.

Its the greed of the draft picks you know. But if we can continue to get better and start a winning culture around here maybe we can turn things around much like the Lions did.

[TheSuzerain]

I guess the MHJ + Caleb/Maye dream isn't quite dead, but it's on life support.

Need Cardinals with Kyler to close the season strong.

[panthermark]

It sure feels like we have the same questions we had after week 1 with this team.
Fields is up and down.
Getsy's play calling is often crap.
The O-line can't pass block, especially when the D is expecting pass.
We could use another WR....but maybe fixing the first 3 items would help. Mooney had 3 targets, Scott had zero targets. Fields had a bad miss on Mooney.
Maybe only having 3 wins has caused Flus to gamble a bit more? If I remember correctly, did they go for it on 4th and 10 and pick it up?

Defense is looking better. The secondary was a strength coming in, and are finally getting healthy. Bears will need to replace Jackson (and Hicks), but are deep at corner, especially if JJ stays. I have to admit, Sweat has helped the pass rush. 2.5 sacks in 4 games. That was more sacks than anyone had before he got here.

Herbert reminds me of a 3rd down back without a full 3rd down back skill-set.

[fleet]

I guess the MHJ + Caleb/Maye dream isn't quite dead, but it's on life support.

Need Cardinals with Kyler to close the season strong.

The Cardinals have a brutal schedule remaining. Unlikely they will win a game besides the Bears game. I think the Bears will beat them as well.

If that is the dream (MHJ or bust), may have to augment the dream into MHJ + Jayden Daniels. Daniels is gaining altitude.

[leo921]

Sucks. Very little of this should be on Justin. These screen plays give him no other options to make any reads or decisions. So all those negative plays are 100% on the Getsy. And then those trash plays set up the next plays where Justin's in a horrible situation and defense has it easy.

I thought Justin looked good again.

If we lose, I wish I could wake up tomorrow and hear that Flus and Getsy have been fired. (sheesh ... I find myself saying that a lot about Chicago teams on this board).

You see a franchise quarterback?

No. I certainly don't. But I do see a guy who has a ceiling well above what we are seeing from him.

I do believe that I see a guy who could play at a pro-bowl level with a real play caller.

Burrow, Lamar, Mahomes. Those are only guys I see in league that I'd say you could rightly identify as a franchise QBs after watching their first 3 years. Hurts too (but also, I'd want to see what the next three years end up looking like for him ... because two years ago many would have said Josh Allen was the franchise QB ... and look at them flaming out now).

I doubt anyone in Dallas would say "we always felt confident Dak was a franchise QB" (most probably still wouldn't say that, and yet they got the right play caller and pieces all around to be a title contending team).
I don't think I'd call Purdy a "franchise" QB ... just a good QB that does the right things with really magical set of weapons around him and great play calling.
Is Herbert a franchise QB? I think he is one of the most prototypical AI-created QBs I could imagine, and that hasn't gotten that franchise anywhere (missed playoff first two years; third year made playoffs and suffered a loss even more embarrassing than the double-doink). So maybe he fits the franchise QB type ... but he also has weapons FAR SUPERIOR than Bears (Allen, Mike Williams, Ekler) and he's had them his entire time there. So seems like Franchise QB still doesn't make a heck of a lot of difference unless you have the right play-caller and a complete team.

Trevor Lawrence could certainly be in this conversation; I'm sure Jax fans feel like they got a franchise QB. He looks the part and it's leading to lots of success.

I really hope CJ is that type of franchise QB, because Houston is so fun to watch (but it is just one year so I'll wait).

Meanwhile, Kyler Murray hasn't led to any success (initial coach already fired). Young only one year in, and coach already fired.

Tua didn't look franchise QB worthy; and then Tyreek Hill got added to the roster to partner with Waddle and all while having a pretty highly touted young coaching mind. All of a sudden he went from a game-mangey QB his first two years to MVP candidate. Who woulda thunk it.

Sorry for extended thoughts. No animosity meant. I agree he doesn't look like a franchise QB. But I really really do see a lot I like about him. More than enough for me to say we should expend our draft capital and resources on dynamic pieces around him, like MHJ! (and we've got the great bones/starters on defense ... so the additional capital could fill out extraordinary depth to cement defense as a strength).

I love this whole post and to me it is so true. The best QBs are the ones who have a great TEAM around them. Give a QB a good solid OLine, weapons to throw too, and a solid RB and that team and QB can do something special. I want us to be like a 49ers or Eagles type of team and not just a team with a top QB with subpar teammates he has to drag to the finish line. The truth is we are thisclose to being a 6-6 team, we need to take our draft luck and use it to build a top tier team.

To me lets get MHJ, he would make everyone so much better. You see how well Moore is doing as our top receiver with so much focus on him, picture how good he could be when defenses have to worry about him and MHJ. It would free up both guys so much, just shore up our Oline and get a real offensive playcaller and bam we can be one of the better offenses in the league.

Are other pick should be for our future LT, either Fashanu or Alt. Now you have young star left and right tackles. Just need a good solid Center and we can have a top line that can really protect the QB, On last nights game they showed that Fields has been the most pressured QB in the league and you saw our line fail a lot at the Center and right guard (Davis) spots.

In free agency would love to see us resign Johnson and try to sign Burns for the defense line.

I think its possible this could be the last year we are bad and can really start building towards a better future

[Chicago-Bull-E]

If we are being honest with ourselves, this Bears team is a much better team than the Giants, Patriots, Cardinals, and Panthers, and are probably somewhere in the middle of the other 4 win teams. Sure it would have been nice to get 2 top 3 picks, but in all honestly, something like 1 and 6/7 is a realistic hope at this point.

[Chi town]

If we are being honest with ourselves, this Bears team is a much better team than the Giants, Patriots, Cardinals, and Panthers, and are probably somewhere in the middle of the other 4 win teams. Sure it would have been nice to get 2 top 3 picks, but in all honestly, something like 1 and 6/7 is a realistic hope at this point.

Sweat and Dexter coming on strong transforms this D.

We are probably a .500 team with average NFL coaching. Better than that slightly with addition of Sweat and Dex playing well.

A solid draft, anverage NFL coaching and an average NFL vet QB gets this team to the playoffs next season.

[jnrjr79]

If we are being honest with ourselves, this Bears team is a much better team than the Giants, Patriots, Cardinals, and Panthers, and are probably somewhere in the middle of the other 4 win teams. Sure it would have been nice to get 2 top 3 picks, but in all honestly, something like 1 and 6/7 is a realistic hope at this point.

This.

This Bears team is not good, but they looked artificially bad in the first half of the season due to health, and the Sweat acquisition is also seemingly having an impact.

The Bears have the Cardinals yet to play. They could win one of the Browns or Atlanta games (but might well lose both). It's not impossible they beat the Packers in the final week of the season (and could be playing spoiler on a potential Packers wild card berth, depending how things go)_.

My guess is the Bears win 2 more games. They were never a real threat to end up with the #3 pick, IMO.

[Chi town]

WR doesn’t do anything for us when our QB doesn’t throw downfield. That’s not all on Getsy.

We need a QB. Most important position. It’s mostly luck to pick the right one.

[HearshotKDS]

Bears OL biggest issue beyond getting an actual NFL C (Patrick aint it) is schematic. They blocked well last night, but when Flores brought overload blitzs where the line has to choose to not block someone, they would let the free rusher come from the interior either A or B gap... Pop Warner level football is OL blocks inside out unless you for some reason really like your RB on ILB matchup, but if/when you dont have some funky matchup going on you always block the interior rusher over someone on the edge because they have a shorter path to the QB if left unblocked... Bears messed that up at least 3 times in the first 2 drives and that to me is 100% coaching not players.