Bulls vs Wolves 7pm CT

[Ice Man]

Which is really saying to me that Demar really did hurt Vooch the most.

Hmmm. Every 3 point shot that Vooch takes is an open shot, this year and last. Nobody guards him out there. So, how could DDR have an effect?

[Hangtime84]

What you don’t have right is vuc being untradeable.

OK, I will clarify. He was borderline untradeable entering this season, as an old, bad defense center who bricked his 3s. This year, he's certainly valuable if he continues to play at this level.

Vooch is basically playing to the level when he was an allstar. Which is really saying to me that Demar really did hurt Vooch the most. Its just hard to have 3 players equally giving you their most optimal self. It was the same for Bosh and Kevin Love.

Sabonis doesn't have that problem. I think it's the sets we ran too.

[CBS7]

Vooch is shooting 8% higher from the field and 13% higher from 3 than his career averages. This is likely just a hot streak, he's not going to end the year with a TS% of 68.1 (14% higher than his career average and 9% higher than his career high)

[drosestruts]

didn't catch the game so don't have many thoughts.

Happy to see Matas getting minutes.

Lonzo Ball is apparently the MVP of this team. When he plays we're good, when he doesn't we're not. Been true for 4 years now.

[Michael Jackson]

Vooch is shooting 8% higher from the field and 13% higher from 3 than his career averages. This is likely just a hot streak, he's not going to end the year with a TS% of 68.1 (14% higher than his career average and 9% higher than his career high)

This I agree with for sure, but the way he is being used I think he will have a year closer to his best year as he is being utilized a bit better this year.

[Guru]

Missed the game for Thursday night football....Can someone give a brief synopsis. Looks like we had a lead and they scored 45 points in the 4th quarter? Dios MIO!

[kodo]

Vuc's 3P improvement is on Vuc, he's wide open this year and he was last year. He really worked on it, successfully.

On the 2s, Giddey's playmaking is getting him the ball quicker and he looks ready to score. Last year it always seemed like a watch Demar show and Demar might drop you a hand grenade if he doesn't like his chances. Where the help defense is coming from is also different, since the Bulls are bombing from 3 (and some games very successfully) defenses are focused at the 3P line instead of the FT line where Demar goes.

Top photo was a few games ago, Vuc is in position against a smaller defender.
Bottom photo was last season, Vuc in the same position against smaller defender.
Last year 2 defenders were within a step from Vuc, because that's where Demar is a threat. This year, those 2 defenders are up tight on Lavine at the top of the 3P arc.



I don't think either opposing team really does much gameplanning vs a bad Chicago team in Nov, but there's just a natural tendency to play tighter on a team bombing away from 3 on a high % than vs a team that never shoots 3s.

[Chi town]

What you don’t have right is vuc being untradeable.

OK, I will clarify. He was borderline untradeable entering this season, as an old, bad defense center who bricked his 3s. This year, he's certainly valuable if he continues to play at this level.

Vooch is basically playing to the level when he was an allstar. Which is really saying to me that Demar really did hurt Vooch the most. Its just hard to have 3 players equally giving you their most optimal self. It was the same for Bosh and Kevin Love.

I’ve been thinking this is the best ball Vuc has ever played. Gotta be similar to Magic Vuc.

That D though. It’s atrocious. He is giving effort though and more deflections etc.

[Rose2Boozer]

This board tied Patrick Williams in rebounds.

[lostonbase]

3-6 do they see .500 again? Vooch has been playing great, do you trade him asap or keep him because besides Smith, the Bulls still have no bigs! How the hell do you not get size after 4 years of it being an issue? I am not sure the tank is a goal but with The Bulls ownership and management it can certainly be achieved.

I understand the the goal was getting more 3pt attempts because that is a winning formula, but damn I miss good post play and bigs that played like bigs. This huck and chuck, when the shots aren't falling is not much fun to watch for me.

[Devilzsidewalk]

The only Bulls highlights I watch are on this channel and are just for laughs.

Watch on YouTube

He's always talking about jamming the screener, but I feel like he says it so often because NBA coaches aren't really looking for that because they will immediately slip the screen and get behind the defense. The ref isn't going to stand by and watch Vucevic manhandle somebody to prevent the cut like he's an offensive tackle.

[MGB8]

3-6 do they see .500 again? Vooch has been playing great, do you trade him asap or keep him because besides Smith, the Bulls still have no bigs! How the hell do you not get size after 4 years of it being an issue? I am not sure the tank is a goal but with The Bulls ownership and management it can certainly be achieved.

I understand the the goal was getting more 3pt attempts because that is a winning formula, but damn I miss good post play and bigs that played like bigs. This huck and chuck, when the shots aren't falling is not much fun to watch for me.

If he keeps playing this way, the contract def becomes moveable and even something you get an asset back for, from the right team with a need at the 5.

[Chi town]

3-6 do they see .500 again? Vooch has been playing great, do you trade him asap or keep him because besides Smith, the Bulls still have no bigs! How the hell do you not get size after 4 years of it being an issue? I am not sure the tank is a goal but with The Bulls ownership and management it can certainly be achieved.

I understand the the goal was getting more 3pt attempts because that is a winning formula, but damn I miss good post play and bigs that played like bigs. This huck and chuck, when the shots aren't falling is not much fun to watch for me.

If he keeps playing this way, the contract def becomes moveable and even something you get an asset back for, from the right team with a need at the 5.

Only way we sniff .500 is fully healthy for a 30 game stretch.


We are obviously tanking or Craig and Carter would be getting mins over DT and JP.


I’d like to see 30 competitive games before we lose nearly all of them with Vuc and Lavine gone.

[dougthonus]

Vooch is shooting 8% higher from the field and 13% higher from 3 than his career averages. This is likely just a hot streak, he's not going to end the year with a TS% of 68.1 (14% higher than his career average and 9% higher than his career high)

This I agree with for sure, but the way he is being used I think he will have a year closer to his best year as he is being utilized a bit better this year.

How is he really being used all that differently? We tried to establish him in the post previously and he just missed bunnies left and right, and he only ever shot wide open 3s. Maybe it's just the confidence is up due to more ball movement this year, but as far as I can tell his shot quality and situations are pretty similar. He's just playing a ton better.

[coldfish]

It strikes me that if you want to tank, do it like the Bulls. Lots of offense and no defense. The fans are entertained and you pump up trade values with box score padding while keeping the cooper flagg dreams alive.

[MGB8]

Vooch is shooting 8% higher from the field and 13% higher from 3 than his career averages. This is likely just a hot streak, he's not going to end the year with a TS% of 68.1 (14% higher than his career average and 9% higher than his career high)

This I agree with for sure, but the way he is being used I think he will have a year closer to his best year as he is being utilized a bit better this year.

How is he really being used all that differently? We tried to establish him in the post previously and he just missed bunnies left and right, and he only ever shot wide open 3s. Maybe it's just the confidence is up due to more ball movement this year, but as far as I can tell his shot quality and situations are pretty similar. He's just playing a ton better.

Counterpoint: see kodo’s post, above. The positioning of help defenders relative to Vuc. In a DDR mid range based offense, the players floating around DDRs spots are in a position to make life more uncomfortable for Vuc - both when he is in the post and when he is at the 3 point line near the top of the key. But in an offense more heavily geared to 3s, including lots of corner 3s on one side or the other, the fact that defenders are an extra step or 2 away could, theoretically, make a big difference in comfort and timing of shots. Maybe even seemingly “wide open” 3s.

[Clint Eastwood]

Vooch is shooting 8% higher from the field and 13% higher from 3 than his career averages. This is likely just a hot streak, he's not going to end the year with a TS% of 68.1 (14% higher than his career average and 9% higher than his career high)

This I agree with for sure, but the way he is being used I think he will have a year closer to his best year as he is being utilized a bit better this year.

How is he really being used all that differently? We tried to establish him in the post previously and he just missed bunnies left and right, and he only ever shot wide open 3s. Maybe it's just the confidence is up due to more ball movement this year, but as far as I can tell his shot quality and situations are pretty similar. He's just playing a ton better.

Players often shoot higher percentage when in rhythm. He is in way better rhythm without ball stoppers and with a guard like giddey who gets him going with good timed passes when he has small defender sealed off. It all contributes to higher percentages on same shots from last year.

[MalagaBulls]

I think both Vuc & Zach might bring back an FRP each, although in each case there are complications.

With Vuc the hope is he can continue to score and maybe resemble his AS Orlando days for a good stretch. But the complication here is not so much the asset (an unprotected FRP) but the matching salary and how many years. If it's expiring great but if not you're back to square 1.
With Zach it's infinitely more complicated because not only does he have to continue to ball out like when he made the AS team, but he has to really show (even for a few months) that he ditched hero ball in favor of team ball. Then the salary matching will be even worse.

Very difficult but not impossible.

[Chi town]

This I agree with for sure, but the way he is being used I think he will have a year closer to his best year as he is being utilized a bit better this year.

How is he really being used all that differently? We tried to establish him in the post previously and he just missed bunnies left and right, and he only ever shot wide open 3s. Maybe it's just the confidence is up due to more ball movement this year, but as far as I can tell his shot quality and situations are pretty similar. He's just playing a ton better.

Players often shoot higher percentage when in rhythm. He is in way better rhythm without ball stoppers and with a guard like giddey who gets him going with good timed passes when he has small defender sealed off. It all contributes to higher percentages on same shots from last year.

It’s subjective but I truly believe in the movement and rhythm yielding better percentages.

I liken it to waiting on the tee box in golf or every shot. No rhythm. Too much time to overthink or be distracted.

[Chi town]

I think both Vuc & Zach might bring back an FRP each, although in each case there are complications.

With Vuc the hope is he can continue to score and maybe resemble his AS Orlando days for a good stretch. Butnthe complication here is not so much the asset (an unprotected FRP) but the matching salary and how many years. If it's expiring great but if not you're back to square 1.
With Zach it's infinitely more complicated because not only does he have to continue to ball out like when he made the AS team, but he has to really show (even for a few months) that he ditched hero ball in favor of team ball. Then the salary matching will be even worse.

Very difficult but not impossible.

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I think Vuc can get a protected future 1st similar to our pick for DDR. I’d even add our POR pick with Vuc to get a 1st in this draft. Don’t think POR pick will ever be more than a 2nd. They suck.

Zach will get us a lottery protected 1st. Hopefully in this draft. I’d also take a shooter like Knecht for him though with salary relief.