Melo #13: Believe in Joakim Noah & Crew

[Land Rover]

SOunds like Houston has him. Sorry guys.

And the sad part is, the Knicks get nothing in return if he goes to Houston

Knicks fan... do the math...

[RememberLu]

Since when is "turning the other cheek" dramatic?

It's melodramatic to use a bible quote in his situation, he's being paid millions to play a game and he's famous and beloved by millions of people.

Jesus never concerned himself with people such as that

Jesus converted a reviled Jewish tax collector into one of his apostles. That's not to say Morey is reviled, but he is in a position of authority as the Rockets' GM just as Matthew was as a tax collector for the Roman government.

I'm not quite sure I understand your analogy...but anyway, while New Testament theology is indeed interesting, this isnt the appropriate place to discuss it

[Tetlak]

The waiting part sucks. If he says it's Chicago I see NY taking Nikola and two 1st round picks.

That includes Boozer?

Got to include...

No it doesnt. They can amnesty Boozer and send the unguaranteeds and Dunleavy and such and end up at around 18-20 mil for Melo's first year.

[DuckIII]

SOunds like Houston has him. Sorry guys.

And the sad part is, the Knicks get nothing in return if he goes to Houston

How does it sound like Houston has him lol.

Just the way things sound I guess on twitter, and clutchfans.

I'm sold.

I can't see Melo passing up Bev, Harden, Parsons, and Dwight just to avoid the West.

I can. Personally, I think its New York or Chicago, and most likely New York. But maybe I'm wrong. In any event, I've already lost interest on any other destination than Chicago.

If he goes west, as a Bulls fan I don't have to worry about him. (Plus I think he's an absolutely terrible fit in Houston and I have no idea why they are even recruiting him.) If he goes to NY, I think its a logical choice for him to make on many levels, and don't begrudge him a bit.

[Future Coach]

Question here as I have been traveling and can't come close to keeping pace with these threads....

Melo said he wouldn't accept $15mil a year here?

I trust that to be true given the way he insisted NY gut its roster so he could get the max before, but weren't there also reports he wants the Bulls to keep Taj and Butler?

I hope to keep Taj, and to a lesser extent Butler, but for both reports to be a reality would make things pretty tricky it seems.

[pb-ceo]

Simmons always gets a bee in his bonnet when he thinks teams are cheaping out. See his nonstop flogging of the OKC Harden trade. He often makes good points in his rants, but just as often he exaggerates or forms a biased view of what actually happened. So Simmons has the "Reinsdorf is cheap" meme burned into his brain. Oh well, he's not the only one.

In any event, it's no particular talent to talk about how you'd spend more of other people's money than they are.

Dude I wouldn't cut Simmons any slack. He makes a lot of money to talk basketball and ignorance to the history and facts of the topic he is discussing is not forgivable.

Look at a guy like David Aldridge who doesn't go over the top with criticism and has decent to excellent knowledge of almost every team. He also doesn't just make sh%t up if he doesn't know he says so.

Getting a little OT but I blame ESPN for elevating Simmons' profile by putting him on TV so much more and holding him out like he's a real pundit/journalist, than I blame Simmons. He was good in his niche as superfan/writer/goofball and he put together a (mostly) great team of writers at Grantland. That's all he should be doing, IMO.

anyway. Melo, rah rah!!

Simmons is an idea factory not just for ESPN, but for Disney, the parent co. I believe he thought of the idea of 30 fo 30, is a producer, and produces all of the espn sports films. He also was a producer of Million Dollar Arm, for Disney, although that was a bust. the reason his star is rising is because he generates money making ideas, and gets things done. He's a big thinker. He's also leveraging social media, and is trying to bring more youth to ESPN/ABC by aligning with and backing people like jalen rose, and hiring young talent at Grantland.

[BahamaBull]

That includes Boozer?

Got to include...

No it doesnt. They can amnesty Boozer and send the unguaranteeds and Dunleavy and such and end up at around 18-20 mil for Melo's first year.

Why are you going to send two 2st round picks+dunleavy (who you can easily trade) then? Thats is what im not understanding...Why?Care to explain?

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David Nuño @DavidNunoABC13
A patron walks by says they are still meeting, in a private room. Big smile followed. #Rockets #MeloToHouston #abc13

[Flames24Rulz]

Laurence Holmes ‏@LaurenceWHolmes 1m

I don't know Melo, but a friend of mine does. They hung out yesterday. I'll tell you at 6 if #Bulls are getting through to him @670TheScore.

Laurence Holmes is seriously the worst.

Exact same thought I had.

And when he talks about females, particularly other reporters, the creep factor is SO high.

He's by far my least favorite sports radio personality, which is saying a ton. If he didn't try to be Bernstein Jr, he'd be a little more tolerable but everything about the guy seems rather disturbing.

Also, his blatant/bad teases to make you listen to his show (like that tweet) are pretty over the top.

[blumeany]

Laurence Holmes ‏@LaurenceWHolmes 1m

I don't know Melo, but a friend of mine does. They hung out yesterday. I'll tell you at 6 if #Bulls are getting through to him @670TheScore.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txuWGoZF3ew&feature=youtu.be&t=10s[/youtube]

[Magilla_Gorilla]

That includes Boozer?

Got to include...

No it doesnt. They can amnesty Boozer and send the unguaranteeds and Dunleavy and such and end up at around 18-20 mil for Melo's first year.

They'd have to include Butler and Snell to get to 18 million, and the only way they can get to 20 is to include Taj.

[Magic24]

Re Kyle Lowry, could Houston use a trade exception from Asik or Lin (along with a pick)? Of course, not sure what they would pay to dump Lin and what they would send back to NY for Melo. Unless Harden is the one that is going out...

Per CBA rules you can't use a trade exception on a free agent even in a SnT.

You can.

Question 84

Teams cannot use trade exceptions to sign free agents; they can be used only to acquire existing contracts from other teams. However, a team can acquire a free agent using a trade exception if he is signed by his prior team and traded in a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 90).

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

If you want to see how Houston fans are digesting it all, peep this thread:

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.ph ... 6&page=126

[Magilla_Gorilla]

David Nuño @DavidNunoABC13
A patron walks by says they are still meeting, in a private room. Big smile followed. #Rockets #MeloToHouston #abc13

He smiled!!!!

[kristov]

S&T for Lowry (at 12) for Jones, D-Mo, Beverly, Caanan leaves $9.1M after cap holds. S&T for Carmelo (at $20M) puts them $10M over the cap, $2.9 under the apron. Can they resign Parsons and go over the apron for any amount? If not, he'd get $5.3M to get up to the apron amount with 7 cap holds.

Of course this doesn't even factor in salary matching and assets needed to send to Toronto and New York to make it happen.

Morey may be good but can he really fleece Phil and Masai like that?

You can't sign and trade a 20 million dollar contract into 10 million in cap space.

If they turn the Asik trade into part of the S&T, they could do something like, Asik, Jones, Montejunas, Beverly, and Canaan for Melo (starting at about $17M), and Lin for Lowry (starting at 12M).

They would have $64M committed to Melo, Harden, Dwight, and Lowry, which gives them a lot of room under the apron to pay Parsons and vet mins.

You left out Rivers who would have to go to another team plus if you make it one big trade HOU could take back close to 30 million by adding Casspi , Covington, and Powell and remove Beverly. The non-guarantees from NO can be acquired using the minimum salary exception. The main problem is the assets. Whichever team gets Lin is going to want assets as well as NY and TOR.

[[GR]]

David Nuño @DavidNunoABC13
A patron walks by says they are still meeting, in a private room. Big smile followed. #Rockets #MeloToHouston #abc13

He smiled!!!!

The meeting was supposed to be short, and yet they're stil in it. THat's a telltale sign to me

[DuckIII]

it's a little over dramatic though, you're just moving teams in the NBA I don't think that requires a dramatic bible quote.

Since when is "turning the other cheek" dramatic?

It's melodramatic to use a bible quote in his situation, he's being paid millions to play a game and he's famous and beloved by millions of people.

Jesus never concerned himself with people such as that

But people such as that do concern themselves with Jesus. Just because he's rich he shouldn't quote applicable bible verses?

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

David Nuño @DavidNunoABC13
A patron walks by says they are still meeting, in a private room. Big smile followed. #Rockets #MeloToHouston #abc13

He smiled!!!!

The meeting was supposed to be short, and yet they're stil in it. THat's a telltale sign to me

He spent 9 hours in Chicago, and dinner went way long. You're reading the tea leaves a little too hard.

[HTowns Finest]

Question here as I have been traveling and can't come close to keeping pace with these threads....

Melo said he wouldn't accept $15mil a year here?

I trust that to be true given the way he insisted NY gut its roster so he could get the max before, but weren't there also reports he wants the Bulls to keep Taj and Butler?

I hope to keep Taj, and to a lesser extent Butler, but for both reports to be a reality would make things pretty tricky it seems.

This is why I said I don't see Carmelo going to Chicago but some here flamed me lol. I think Melo is at a crossroads though. He has to choose between money (NY) or championship contender (CHI/HOU). The ball is in his court.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Apparently they're eating at America's. Not a bad place. I've had better though.