Josh Giddey - Conundrum Killer

[PJSteven22]

I think at this point 5/150 would be a good deal for the bulls. He might get more.

Yikes

He has earned every penny.

He’s played well for a month. Calm it down.

[Jcool0]

Yay we’re gonna win 35-40 games and get demolished by the Celtics and Cavs for the foreseeable future.

4 years ago Cleveland won 22 games. There best player was Colin Sexton. Since then they drafted Darius Garland #5, Isaac Okoro #5 and Evan Mobley #3.

They actually tanked. You missed the point again. The issue with Giddey is that he’s too good to let you pick top 5 but he not good enough to lead you anywhere past the first round. We’re essentially a treadmill team.

Cleveland tanked and still only got two 5s and a 3. And only two panned out. In the 2021 draft were they took Mobley... Giddey went 6th.

[WindyCityBorn]

Yikes

He has earned every penny.

He’s played well for a month. Calm it down.

It’s not gonna change the rest of the season.

[Jcool0]

Yikes

He has earned every penny.

He’s played well for a month. Calm it down.

Over last 31 games: 14.7/8.6/6.4 on 46/40/83

[PJSteven22]

4 years ago Cleveland won 22 games. There best player was Colin Sexton. Since then they drafted Darius Garland #5, Isaac Okoro #5 and Evan Mobley #3.

They actually tanked. You missed the point again. The issue with Giddey is that he’s too good to let you pick top 5 but he not good enough to lead you anywhere past the first round. We’re essentially a treadmill team.

Cleveland tanked and still only got two 5s and a 3. And only two panned out. In the 2021 draft were they took Mobley... Giddey went 6th.

That has nothing to do with what I said. They won’t pick that high.

[Chi town]

Can’t wait to hear Doug’s analysis if Giddey keeps doing this.

[PJSteven22]

He has earned every penny.

He’s played well for a month. Calm it down.

Over last 31 games: 14.7/8.6/6.4 on 46/40/83

31 games>82 math checks out. Giddey is not even a top 10 PG. why are you going so hard for him.

[Ctownbulls]

He's been impressive but still would not resign him for what he will ultimately command.

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[Chi town]

He’s played well for a month. Calm it down.

Over last 31 games: 14.7/8.6/6.4 on 46/40/83

31 games>82 math checks out. Giddey is not even a top 10 PG. why are you going so hard for him.

His evaluation should be heavily weighted towards post TDL due to his role changing significantly and it being the role you will resign him for and be willing to pay for. His games since TDL def check out as a top 3 player on a good team. I do expect his numbers to dip a little when Vuc returns, mostly scoring.

[Chi town]

He's been impressive but still would not resign him for what he will ultimately command.

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What is that resign and no resign number?

[WindyCityBorn]

He’s played well for a month. Calm it down.

Over last 31 games: 14.7/8.6/6.4 on 46/40/83

31 games>82 math checks out. Giddey is not even a top 10 PG. why are you going so hard for him.

It’s over. You were wrong.

[PJSteven22]

Over last 31 games: 14.7/8.6/6.4 on 46/40/83

31 games>82 math checks out. Giddey is not even a top 10 PG. why are you going so hard for him.

It’s over. You were wrong.

He’s not a top 10 PG.

[PJSteven22]

Over last 31 games: 14.7/8.6/6.4 on 46/40/83

31 games>82 math checks out. Giddey is not even a top 10 PG. why are you going so hard for him.

His evaluation should be heavily weighted towards post TDL due to his role changing significantly and it being the role you will resign him for and be willing to pay for. His games since TDL def check out as a top 3 player on a good team. I do expect his numbers to dip a little when Vuc returns, mostly scoring.

That’s a small sample size.

[GuardianEnzo]

Giddey could win the MVP next year (he won't, LOL) and these same posters would still be crying sample size and bemoaning that we didn't get a pick instead.

[PJSteven22]

Giddey could win the MVP next year (he won't, LOL) and these same posters would still be crying sample size and bemoaning that we didn't get a pick instead.

I’d be happy with that.

[WindyCityBorn]

31 games>82 math checks out. Giddey is not even a top 10 PG. why are you going so hard for him.

It’s over. You were wrong.

He’s not a top 10 PG.

[PJSteven22]

It’s over. You were wrong.

He’s not a top 10 PG.

He’s not.
Luka
Shai
Brunson
Steph
Dame
Haliburton
Cade
Garland
Maxey
Fox

You’re wrong take the L

[DrModesty]

I've been a pro Giddey poster here. He is not a top 10 PG in this league. That said, half the league has a starting point guard on the max, and there are another half dozen PG's on $30m+. What that shows, is the lead ball handlers get paid huge money. Prior to the change in circumstances I thought Giddey would be a low 20s contract. If this keeps up he might be on Jalen Green money. By the way, he is clearly better than Jalen Green. He has been his entire career outside of Green's sporadic good months he has 1-2 months per season. Jalen Green's contract shows how much of a bump 'potential' puts on rookie extensions.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

I've been a pro Giddey poster here. He is not a top 10 PG in this league. That said, half the league has a starting point guard on the max, and there are another half dozen PG's on $30m+. What that shows, is the lead ball handlers get paid huge money. Prior to the change in circumstances I thought Giddey would be a low 20s contract. If this keeps up he might be on Jalen Green money. By the way, he is clearly better than Jalen Green. He has been his entire career outside of Green's sporadic good months he has 1-2 months per season. Jalen Green's contract shows how much of a bump 'potential' puts on rookie extensions.

Name me the better 10 PG's. None of them have his rebounding numbers to compliment the court vision and assists/TO ratio. Or do they have better shooting percentages?

I know you're a Giddey supporter, but how can you also say that he's not an elite producer for his role?

The issue is that you have to build a team around him. Defense, rim protectors, and 3-pt shooters. Lonzo, Ayo, Matas, Coby (?). So is he worth building a team around? He's only 22 years old?

I don't know if Giddey is worth it, and as I think about it, I'm actually not sure what I'm trying to say here. I just think Josh could be a really good player on an elite team if that team is well constructed. But I also don't trust AKME to construct that team. He certainly can't be on the same starting lineup with Vuc, which is why we've probably seen more success recently even though we've been "tanking".

[DrModesty]

I've been a pro Giddey poster here. He is not a top 10 PG in this league. That said, half the league has a starting point guard on the max, and there are another half dozen PG's on $30m+. What that shows, is the lead ball handlers get paid huge money. Prior to the change in circumstances I thought Giddey would be a low 20s contract. If this keeps up he might be on Jalen Green money. By the way, he is clearly better than Jalen Green. He has been his entire career outside of Green's sporadic good months he has 1-2 months per season. Jalen Green's contract shows how much of a bump 'potential' puts on rookie extensions.

Name me the better 10 PG's. None of them have his rebounding numbers to compliment the court vision and assists/TO ratio. Or do they have better shooting percentages?

I know you're a Giddey supporter, but how can you also say that he's not an elite producer for his role?

The issue is that you have to build a team around him. Defense, rim protectors, and 3-pt shooters. Lonzo, Ayo, Matas, Coby (?). So is he worth building a team around? He's only 22 years old?

I don't know if Giddey is worth it, and as I think about it, I'm actually not sure what I'm trying to say here. I just think Josh could be a really good player on an elite team if that team is well constructed. But I also don't trust AKME to construct that team. He certainly can't be on the same starting lineup with Vuc, which is why we've probably seen more success recently even though we've been "tanking".

Luka, SGA, Brunson, Steph, Garland, Cade, Dame, Derrick White, Haliburton, Maxey

It is worth noting that I left some very highly regarded players off of my list as they are currently only questionably better than Giddey at the moment (Ja, Trae, Harden, Jamal Murray, LaMelo + more) and you only asked for 10.

Giddey produces at an elite level, but his flaws have held back his impact. I am confident that with further improvement Giddey could one day be a top 10 point guard. It could even happen fairly soon. But he lacks in certain areas that are fairly core functions for a point guard. Those would be dynamic scoring ability and 3 point shooting. His array of scoring options is very rudimentary at this stage, simplifying defense for the opponent.

The positive outlook would be that he hasn't been able to focus on these aspects of his game so far in his career. This is because things like defense and open 3 point shooting have threatened to take him off the floor in these first few years. Developing these to an 'acceptable' level + being given lead ball handling duties may give him the opportunities needed to develop a nice pull up shot from the nail, or a serviceable step back three that make defending the Bulls as a team a much more challenging prospect.