The Kevin Love Thread: Update PG. 67, 78

[southpaw954]

Im thinking it could be the Boozer angle. If we are making a deal for players and or picks plus the cap relief of Boozer, that would be extremely interesting for a team like the Twolves.

Just like we don't know how much of a pay cut Melo is willing to take, we don't know what Minny want in return.

Do they want to rebuild completely or do they want to stay afloat with some mid 1sts?

I still think Boston hold the best offer with the 6th overall at their disposal, but an expiring Boozer, Mirotic & 16 may also be intriguing.

I still think it doesn't happen because pick 6 is a quality asset, but if the report is to be believed, at least we're in there.

Maybe Love doesn't want to play in Boston. Minny could want to do the trade to get the pic but if Love says he won't sign an extension why would Boston do it?

[SteelerSpartan]

Id still much rather use mirotic+boozer expiring in a sign and trade for melo and use our picks to find another shooter.....

but I will say at least Love is relatively young and is good buds with Derrick which should buy them more time to build a contender

[blumeany]

I think much more than with the Melo situation, the Bulls are getting played in this Love situation. If not played, played off of. Love is just toying with everyone at this point. He has a place he wants to go, and he's just making sure that other teams bid high enough to get him out of Minny.

On thing is for sure - coach Flip Saunders is not a sign that Minny is making a strong play to keep Love. It's probably the biggest white flag they could have waived.

[Mattchoo]

Im thinking it could be the Boozer angle. If we are making a deal for players and or picks plus the cap relief of Boozer, that would be extremely interesting for a team like the Twolves.

Just like we don't know how much of a pay cut Melo is willing to take, we don't know what Minny want in return.

Do they want to rebuild completely or do they want to stay afloat with some mid 1sts?

I still think Boston hold the best offer with the 6th overall at their disposal, but an expiring Boozer, Mirotic & 16 may also be intriguing.

I still think it doesn't happen because pick 6 is a quality asset, but if the report is to be believed, at least we're in there.

Mirotic would go #5 in this draft


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[kyrv]

Im thinking it could be the Boozer angle. If we are making a deal for players and or picks plus the cap relief of Boozer, that would be extremely interesting for a team like the Twolves.

Just like we don't know how much of a pay cut Melo is willing to take, we don't know what Minny want in return.

Do they want to rebuild completely or do they want to stay afloat with some mid 1sts?

I still think Boston hold the best offer with the 6th overall at their disposal, but an expiring Boozer, Mirotic & 16 may also be intriguing.

I still think it doesn't happen because pick 6 is a quality asset, but if the report is to be believed, at least we're in there.

Maybe Love doesn't want to play in Boston. Minny could want to do the trade to get the pic but if Love says he won't sign an extension why would Boston do it?

Maybe Boston is on his list, as reported, though.

Also it's not a bad gamble for Boston even if he says now he won't extend.

[Ben]

I think much more than with the Melo situation, the Bulls are getting played in this Love situation. If not played, played off of. Love is just toying with everyone at this point. He has a place he wants to go, and he's just making sure that other teams bid high enough to get him out of Minny.

I too have a sinking feeling that we're being used to get others to up their bids, but I don't think that Love's the one doing the playing. If he wants to leave in part for a better chance at winning, why would he be the one trying to get the "winning" bidder to part with as many assets as possible? More likely it's just the Wolves who are trying to get the best deal possible. It's not their problem if Love doesn't re-sign with a given team.

[Wont PerDont]

I used to be heavily on the "we need to retain Taj to maintain our interior defense and what we do to combat Miami's obvious talent advantage" bandwagon. But, I'm warming to the idea of moving Taj for Love. Thibs is ALWAYS going to field a top 5 defense and Miami would NEVER get a rebound vs. a Love/Noah frontcourt.

[TheSuzerain]

Let's bring it all together now.

Huge package for Love
Noah for Embiid
Sign Carmelo with that max cap space we'd have

Rose
Butler
Carmelo
Love
Embiid

Dynasty.

[TheStig]

Let's bring it all together now.

Huge package for Love
Noah for Embiid
Sign Carmelo with that max cap space we'd have

Rose
Butler
Carmelo
Love
Embiid

Dynasty.

I don't dream about the Bulls. I dream about Kate Upton. We do naughty things that are more realistic than the scenario you put forward.

[Olliez Bullz]

From The future of the Wolves, why I'm excited (LONG) post:

Considering this http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... Kevin-Love It says "The Timberwolves reportedly believe they have already fielded better trade offers, including from the Chicago Bulls." That's talking about the Celtics offer so maybe Flip is on the same page as I am, not super excited about #6 but likes the bulls deal.

More reasons to like the bulls deal flexibility - We need a PF and a SG and it just so happens that's what Gibson and Butler are. A lot will be made about our ability to score but I don't care. I still think Rubio can elevate these guys enough to be respectable and we'll actually be good on defense.

If we're not feeling it, then it's been said the Kings would be really interested in Gibson and if Mirotic won't come over for us, I'm sure the Lakers or some other big market team would be interested in him. That alone could net us #7 and #8, which compared to the Celtics #6 just seems WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better to me. Ideally Mirotic would play for us but I don't know how likely / realistic that is.

My posted reply:

Bulls fan here:

I have enjoyed reading your posts and agree with some of your logic, however the main piece of a K Love trade to Chicago is the amazing Carlos Boozer. As much as I would hate to see either Jimmy or Taj get traded; one of them most go to create the needed cap space to fill out the roster.

In regards to Mirotic: everyone in Chicago knows that he will only come to the NBA to play for Chicago or the Lakers. With that said, then only trade he would be involved in would be from Chicago to LA. Which the bulls would have looked closer at if the Lakers had a top 3 pick. On the other hand, based off of his accomplishments thus far; Mirotic would be a top 5 pick in this years draft.

If I had to choose between Melo and Love, I would choose Love. Melo has been the cancer of the two teams he has been on thus far. Yes he can score; when Carlos Boozer was Melo's age we was a 20 & 10 guy, but a cancer because he didn't play defense.

Enjoy your off-season.

[Gmoney3]

I want garpax to flex their nuts and land love&melo!

[PaKii94]

soo whats the update on pg 78? i looked and i dont see it...

[GimmeDat]

soo whats the update on pg 78? i looked and i dont see it...

I think it's that Bucher said that it's mainly between us and GSW. I just got home and am backtracking myself.

[PaKii94]

soo whats the update on pg 78? i looked and i dont see it...

I think it's that Bucher said that it's mainly between us and GSW. I just got home and am backtracking myself.

ah i see thanks... i thought that was pretty much given lol

[DanTown8587]

The Heat have gotten 29 games of 20+ points from options 3+ (Bosh, Chalmers, Allen, J. Jones, Miller) just since 2010.

Same time frame, Noah/Taj/Butler have given you SEVEN.

You simply cannot ask Rose and someone else (albeit Anthony, Love, whoever) to carry a team with Noah, Butler, and Gibson playing beside them. That's three guys who don't shoot well from the perimeter, handle the basketball well (Noah does well for his position but not incredibly well in the overall sense), or put any sort of pressure on the opposing team.

Anthony maybe fits better but I wouldn't pass on Love if Minnesota wanted to do a deal because of a potential Anthony deal.

[mrlancers]

I'm a firm believer any trade proposal involving Kevin Love will involve a third team. Maybe someone like Utah who has the 5th pick that might be willing to trade down a few spots for a veteran like Taj or Jimmy. That pick could go to Minnesota with Boozer's expiring plus additional picks like a combination of the 16th or 19th and the SAC 1st. The Wolves would send their 13th pick to Utah. Something along that line of thinking.

[fleet]

I'm starting to believe Melo is not actually plan A if the Bulls are making advanced predraft offers for Love. That makes Love plan A. Although we don't know if the Bulls are talking to Melo and the Knicks simultaneously.

[kyrv]

The Heat have gotten 29 games of 20+ points from options 3+ (Bosh, Chalmers, Allen, J. Jones, Miller) just since 2010.

Same time frame, Noah/Taj/Butler have given you SEVEN.

You simply cannot ask Rose and someone else (albeit Anthony, Love, whoever) to carry a team with Noah, Butler, and Gibson playing beside them. That's three guys who don't shoot well from the perimeter, handle the basketball well (Noah does well for his position but not incredibly well in the overall sense), or put any sort of pressure on the opposing team.

Anthony maybe fits better but I wouldn't pass on Love if Minnesota wanted to do a deal because of a potential Anthony deal.

Interesting, how many of those were Bosh though? Nobody else has a #1 option as their #3, so not entirely fair. Bulls would be built differently.

[kingkirk]

The Heat have gotten 29 games of 20+ points from options 3+ (Bosh, Chalmers, Allen, J. Jones, Miller) just since 2010.

Same time frame, Noah/Taj/Butler have given you SEVEN.

You simply cannot ask Rose and someone else (albeit Anthony, Love, whoever) to carry a team with Noah, Butler, and Gibson playing beside them. That's three guys who don't shoot well from the perimeter, handle the basketball well (Noah does well for his position but not incredibly well in the overall sense), or put any sort of pressure on the opposing team.

Anthony maybe fits better but I wouldn't pass on Love if Minnesota wanted to do a deal because of a potential Anthony deal.

How many of those games was Butler not a starter or barely playing, and how many of those games have these guys not played with Rose or even a second superstar in Wade?

Put 2 stars around JB, Taj & Noah and these guys would be having better offensive numbers because the pressure will not be the same.

You're not comparing thing equally.

If Taj Gibson & Joakim Noah were playing next to Lebron James & Dwyane Wade for 4 seasons, i dare say he has more than 7 games of 20+.

[kulaz3000]

I'm starting to believe Melo is not actually plan A if the Bulls are making advanced predraft offers for Love. That makes Love plan A. Although we don't know if the Bulls are talking to Melo and the Knicks simultaneously.

I think it's more the fact that Love would be available sooner than Melo, and in our case it's better to jump on the first available than to over-think the situation and wait on Melo and potentially lose out on both.

I'd love one or the other, and between the two I'd prefer Melo slightly more, but that being said, if the Bulls plan to go all-in on Love first just because he happens to be available on draft night, then they better just go for it and let the rest of the off season play out how it may.