my bad, thanks. it told me to click on the glossary for an explanation, and when i did it told me the same thing
anyway, as i expected, it's pretty much football PER. the creator himself says in the explanation that it is not a credible comparative tool for single seasons: "If one player is a 16 and another is a 14, we can't be very confident that the 16AV player actually had a better season than the 14AV player."
even the weighted career leaderboard produces interesting results, very skewed toward modern day players:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/career_av_career.htmphil rivers the 6th best QB career of all time?
dice wrote:anyway, you are the first person i have ever seen cite AV (which values mayfield and wirfs over burrow...and gibbs over henry) to argue one player over another
You asked for a source, I provided one. Then you predictably came up with an entirely new reason to dismiss it.
huh? was i supposed to come up with an old way to dismiss a measure that i've never seen cited?
and i didn't ask a source. that opens up anything you can find on god's green earth. i asked for EVIDENCE. does single season AV qualify as evidence? an argument that you would bother to introduce in court? i don't think its creator would even say yes
you said outright that becton is the better player. using a single season of AV hardly shows that. career AV per season (a use more in line with the creator's intent) shows the opposite: 16 over 5 seasons for becton, 16 over 4 for jenkins
who is the more valued free agent guard?
PFF: jenkins 3rd, becton 6th
SB nation (cumulative staff ranking): jenkins 2nd, becton not in top 7
33rd team: becton 5th, jenkins 7th
NFLtraderumors: jenkins 2nd, becton 4th
underdognetwork: jenkins 5th, becton 6th
foxsports: becton 2nd, jenkins 5th
sportskeeda: becton 4th, jenkins 7th
sportingnews: becton 5th, jenkins 6th
walterfootball: jenkins 3rd, becton 8th
the only one we know is doing deep analysis is PFF, but anyway...to sum up:
jenkins 2nd 2nd 3rd 3rd 5th 5th 6th 7th 7th
becton 2nd ...........4 4 5th 5th 6 6........8th, 8+
slight edge to jenkins on overall value, which obviously includes injury risk. taking out injury risk, i'm confident that jenkins is considered the better player by online pundits. we'll see what GMs think soon though!
Mayfield and Burrow had pretty similar seasons. Mayfield had a higher completion percentage, more yards per attempt, and better rushing stats across the board. Burrow had the counting stats of yards, attempts, and one more TD (Baker had 3 rushing, Burrow had 2). The biggest complaint is Mayfield's turnovers and that is a very reasonable criticism.
scant few think that mayfield had a better season
QBR, which solely measures QB contribution to maximizing a team's chances of scoring points, had 74.7 burrow, 61.6 mayfield
offensive player of the year voting: burrow 5th overall (1-5-8-7-5), mayfield others receiving votes (0-0-0-0-2)
MVP voting: burrow 4th (0-1-15-10-12), mayfield 11th (0-0-0-0-2)
Gibbs led the NFL in touchdowns. He had 180 fewer scrimmage yards than Henry, but more yards per touch and 2 fewer fumbles. Not a stretch to say he had a better year.
yards per touch is heavily weighted toward backs more involved in the passing game. it's a stat that suggests that any volume receiver was automatically more valuable than saquon because they dwarf him in yards per touch
dice wrote:that would be true if it were a description of an actual player
I have no idea what this means. It is literally the description of Jenkins as shown by his snap % vs. starts, watching him get injured, and Biggs' comments.
that's not what literally means, first of all. secondly, snap % vs. starts tells us nothing about whether a guy takes HIMSELF out, or whether he is forced to come out due to halting play due to injury. this is not a discussion about whether jenkins gets injured a lot. he does. "taking himself out a lot" suggests some sort of decision making or toughness deficiency. not sure about his decision making, but jenkins seems like a pretty tough SOB to me
and why the hell you put so much weight on what this biggs guy says is beyond me
can you even name who the bears backup LG was w/o looking it up? you want a teven jenkins who feels good enough to practice to give up reps to his backup in case he has to play on sunday? THAT screws up continuity as much as jenkins pulling himself out of a game does!
I think Matt Prior was the primary backup at both Guard spots. Unfortunately, he couldn't cover both guard spots because Bates and Miller got hurt while Nate Davis quit trying, so he ended up starting primarily at RG. I want a Teven Jenkins who doesn't continually remove himself from games with injury and negatively impact the rest of the offensive line.
teven jenkins playing as much as he reasonably can when his backup sucks is the correct strategy. he knows that, the coaches (who decide whether he plays) know that, even you know that