Hollinger Top 25 FA Rankings: Giddey at #5

[kodo]

$34,768,411

tre is at $21,486,798

That algorithm is jacked.

Tre will be disappointed

Yes. He only played 18 games for Chicago, teams will go by his last couple of years which are way lower production.
Nobody believes he became so much more skilled from Feb 1st to Feb 8th.
He also had negative net ratings on the Bulls when everyone else was very high after Giddey took over at point.

He looked really good when watching games though, I wish we weren't overloaded on guards.

[kodo]

Golden State already offered Kuminga $30M per year / 5 years, it didn't happen because he rejected it. He's not signing with Chicago for $20 or $25M in a S&T.

Worst case for him, which is likely at this point now, is that he takes some kind of lowball offer but very short term. t's looking like another Schroder situation where he rejected a big Lakers offer to bet on himself and lost, but players irrationally believe they are all stars otherwise that kind of person doesn't bet their entire life they'll be in the NBA in the first place. The NBA is the survivorship bias of a few hundred people who are irrationally confident in themselves.

If he has to sign a lowball for a year he may want out of GS just so he can just stat pad, but I'd hate to sign a player whose only goal this season is to put up #s and not care about winning games.

[Chi town]

I'm not a big Kuminga fan, but there is a price that I'd be happy to get him. A 3/$60M, even a 3/$70M deal wouldn't bother me too much. I'd be fine trading Vuc or Pat to make the deal happen, and getting rid of either guy would be 50% of the reason for the deal in my mind. I'd even throw in #45. There's a better than 50/50 chance he doesn't pan out, but IMO, worst case he's a decent 6th man.

I think the one factor that would change my mind is if we drafted a guy who we'd see in a similar role.

So let’s say Vuc for Kuminga.

What are the mins breakdown for the rotation?
Keep in mind Giddey always plays SF with two guards next to him.

I would think you'd need to shift some of Giddey's minutes to one of the G spots. Even so, you have 96 minutes at the 3/4 that you could split 3-ways. Also, there would likely need to be a staggering of the "bad defense" minutes with Coby and Kuminga not on the floor much together.

4 ways. Giddey Buz Pat Kuminga.
Giddey and Buz both need 32+

Don’t think Kuminga fits unless Billy has a big chnage and want to play big.

[drosestruts]

Golden State already offered Kuminga $30M per year / 5 years, it didn't happen because he rejected it. He's not signing with Chicago for $20 or $25M in a S&T.

Worst case for him, which is likely at this point now, is that he takes some kind of lowball offer but very short term. t's looking like another Schroder situation where he rejected a big Lakers offer to bet on himself and lost, but players irrationally believe they are all stars otherwise that kind of person doesn't bet their entire life they'll be in the NBA in the first place. The NBA is the survivorship bias of a few hundred people who are irrationally confident in themselves.

If he has to sign a lowball for a year he may want out of GS just so he can just stat pad, but I'd hate to sign a player whose only goal this season is to put up #s and not care about winning games.

There's a lot of "Allegedlys" missing from that statement

Every pending free agent wants a big deal - most often settle for less

[Infinity2152]

Think the Billy doesn't play bigs is way overstated. Patrick Williams has been mostly our biggest PF and he's played plenty, too much even. Who are these big PF's he hasn't been playing? There's usually a center on the floor, I'm not recalling the big, good PF's Billy wasn't playing. Over the last few years, which big was passed over at PF?

Maybe the fact that we haven't had a good big PF since he's been here has something to do with it? Collins got a ton of minutes, Giddey a ton of minutes at 6'8, Ball gets as many minutes as he can give him, Vucevic gets as many minutes as he can give him. Matas getting minutes. We didn't have any good healthy tall players besides Vuc before this year, lol.

[dougthonus]

Golden State already offered Kuminga $30M per year / 5 years, it didn't happen because he rejected it. He's not signing with Chicago for $20 or $25M in a S&T.

Worst case for him, which is likely at this point now, is that he takes some kind of lowball offer but very short term.

I'm not sure why you think he'd rather take a very lowball short term deal than 20-25M in a S&T. Not sure the S&T will be an option for him, but if it is, I doubt he'd take a low ball short term deal.

[Infinity2152]

Who do you all think is better right now, Kuminga or Obi Toppin? Wondering who Kuminga is comparing his numbers to think $30 mill is too low. Shot 30% from 3 on the Warriors, 32% the year before. 67% from the free throw line last year. 54 TS%. Negative OBPM and DPBM. Average rebounder, what about him screams guaranteed $30 mill+. What is he very good at?

Isn't there something funny with his money too, like the receiving team can only count half his salary? making any S&T harder, receiving team needs free cap space, probably half his contract. His agent should have taken the deal.

[meekrab]

I'd much rather pay Giddey any amount of money than FVV, and Giddey's magical number is lower than Fred's, so there's that at least.

[nanokooshball]

Who do you all think is better right now, Kuminga or Obi Toppin? Wondering who Kuminga is comparing his numbers to think $30 mill is too low. Shot 30% from 3 on the Warriors, 32% the year before. 67% from the free throw line last year. 54 TS%. Negative OBPM and DPBM. Average rebounder, what about him screams guaranteed $30 mill+. What is he very good at?

Isn't there something funny with his money too, like the receiving team can only count half his salary? making any S&T harder, receiving team needs free cap space, probably half his contract. His agent should have taken the deal.

I've been very impressed w Obi this playoff run and Finals. I used think he was all flash and athleticism and no BBIQ, but he's proven to me that he works hard, BBIQ improved a ton from NY, high motor player, and much imprved 3 pt shotter. He would look very good next to Giddey and our fast offense....

[burlydee]

Golden State already offered Kuminga $30M per year / 5 years, it didn't happen because he rejected it. He's not signing with Chicago for $20 or $25M in a S&T.

Worst case for him, which is likely at this point now, is that he takes some kind of lowball offer but very short term. t's looking like another Schroder situation where he rejected a big Lakers offer to bet on himself and lost, but players irrationally believe they are all stars otherwise that kind of person doesn't bet their entire life they'll be in the NBA in the first place. The NBA is the survivorship bias of a few hundred people who are irrationally confident in themselves.

If he has to sign a lowball for a year he may want out of GS just so he can just stat pad, but I'd hate to sign a player whose only goal this season is to put up #s and not care about winning games.

He's not getting $30 million a year. This isn't 2010, it's a different spending environment. There isn't a single team linked to bidding for him.

If the Bulls can get him on a reasonable contract, they should. If they can't....

People seem hostile to the very idea. I think that is a mistake. Top 15 free agent. Young. Bring him in and see what he can do.