NBA Trade Thread #11

Post #201 » by **HomoSapien** » Fri Dec 13, 2024 4:57 am

Klomp wrote:Where would Bulls fans fall on the idea of Ball and Smith for Julius Randle?

It's pretty good value but most here will be against it because they want to rebuild. It remains unclear if the Bulls FO wants to rebuild, but I lean toward them wanting to do that given that they let go of DeRozan and Caruso.

Bulls probably do it regardless if there were a 1st attached though.

Donkedave · Post #202 » by **Donkedave** » Fri Dec 13, 2024 10:20 am

Yes or no? Simple one

Denver are keen to move on Nnaji, do the Bulls take a chance? They have next to nothing in terms of picks to send out. 2031 1st is it right?

Bulls out: Carter and Craig

Bulls in: Nnaji and 1of strawther/Holmes/Watson
Getting one of the younger talents included could be worth it, maybe!

If Nnaji doesn’t work out can be included in a trade elsewhere as a filler.

Worth it or not?

sco · Post #203 » by **sco** » Fri Dec 13, 2024 1:51 pm

Donkedave wrote:Yes or no? Simple one

Denver are keen to move on Nnaji, do the Bulls take a chance? They have next to nothing in terms of picks to send out. 2031 1st is it right?

Bulls out: Carter and Craig

Bulls in: Nnaji and 1of strawther/Holmes/Watson
Getting one of the younger talents included could be worth it, maybe!

If Nnaji doesn’t work out can be included in a trade elsewhere as a filler.

Worth it or not?

I haven't seen much in relation to Denver's desire to move him. His deal doesn't seem big enough for them to include a young talent to be rid of that deal, but I've always been intregued by Strawther. If we got someone who has potential in that deal, I'd do it.

ChettheJet · Post #204 » by **ChettheJet** » Fri Dec 13, 2024 3:37 pm

Depending on DEN wanting to bolster what they've got right now, it looks great fort them. Carter and Craig are both solid role players who barely get off the bench for the Bulls and as the play in looks farther away shouldn't take minutes from any of the younger guys. Nnaji comes into that mix and the guy who shows the least can be tradable.

Randle isn't a building block for the future, I doubt he wants to go to a losing team. Smith is a better piece for the Bulls even if the numbers don't match up. I'd actuallu prefer to keep Lonzo with the idea of resigning him as a good guy going forward

sco · Post #205 » by **sco** » Fri Dec 13, 2024 4:04 pm

ChettheJet wrote:Depending on DEN wanting to bolster what they've got right now, it looks great fort them. Carter and Craig are both solid role players who barely get off the bench for the Bulls and as the play in looks farther away shouldn't take minutes from any of the younger guys. Nnaji comes into that mix and the guy who shows the least can be tradable.

Randle isn't a building block for the future, I doubt he wants to go to a losing team. Smith is a better piece for the Bulls even if the numbers don't match up. I'd actuallu prefer to keep Lonzo with the idea of resigning him as a good guy going forward

I agree on both points.

IMO, Randle, if moved, would be moved as a bad contract/fit. He's a ball dominant, non-playmaking PF who isn't a good 3pt shooter. Thats hard for most teams who have non-3pt shooting C's. The Knicks seemed better without him last year...ironically, it was Donte who really stepped up into a bigger role for them (and was part of the trade to Minny).

I might take Randle if we got rid of Zach in the deal (Randle's deal is a year shorter), AND we got Donte. That said, since MIN IIRC is over the 2nd apron, they can't do 2 for 1 deals.

kodo · Post #206 » by **kodo** » Fri Dec 13, 2024 5:10 pm

I'm pretty sure the main reason MIN got Randle was because it's a short deal...if they were OK with more money they just keep KAT. So I think a Lavine trade won't make sense to them.

NecessaryEvil · Post #207 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Fri Dec 13, 2024 7:49 pm

Read on Twitter

Looks like Vooch is on the way out

jnrjr79 · Post #208 » by **jnrjr79** » Fri Dec 13, 2024 7:53 pm

NecessaryEvil wrote:

Read on Twitter

Looks like Vooch is on the way out

It would be pretty great if the Bulls could get a number of suitors involved here and manage to turn him into a first rounder.

Muzbar · Post #209 » by **Muzbar** » Fri Dec 13, 2024 8:53 pm

NecessaryEvil wrote:

Read on Twitter

Looks like Vooch is on the way out

Does it?

sco · Post #210 » by **sco** » Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:01 pm

Muzbar wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:

Read on Twitter

Looks like Vooch is on the way out

Does it?

Fair. AK could be like me in high school when I didn't like the girl I was dating that much until other guys showed interest...or so she said...I was so gullable!

Seriously though, I think AK, for all his faults, has been good at telegraphing his moves, and I think Vuc was one of them. I don't even need a 1st for Vuc, just a young player with potential, which all those teams have.

Guru · Post #211 » by **Guru** » Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:09 pm

sco wrote:
Muzbar wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:

Read on Twitter

Looks like Vooch is on the way out

Does it?

Fair. AK could be like me in high school when I didn't like the girl I was dating that much until other guys showed interest...or so she said...I was so gullable!

Seriously though, I think AK, for all his faults, has been good at telegraphing his moves, and I think Vuc was one of them. I don't even need a 1st for Vuc, just a young player with potential, which all those teams have.

It does look like that. He's being held out of tonights game with a mysterious illness

Muzbar · Post #212 » by **Muzbar** » Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:25 pm

sco wrote:
Muzbar wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:

Read on Twitter

Looks like Vooch is on the way out

Does it?

Fair. AK could be like me in high school when I didn't like the girl I was dating that much until other guys showed interest...or so she said...I was so gullable!

Seriously though, I think AK, for all his faults, has been good at telegraphing his moves, and I think Vuc was one of them. I don't even need a 1st for Vuc, just a young player with potential, which all those teams have.

I'm not optimistic on AK getting anything done. This is the same guy that has sat on his hand for 3 straight deadlines.

I'm so same however, I'm fine with not getting a FRP, but if they get a young player (preferably a big) with a bit of upside, that would be good.

But I'm not holding my breath.

Chi town · Post #213 » by **Chi town** » Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:25 pm

jnrjr79 wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:

Read on Twitter

Looks like Vooch is on the way out

It would be pretty great if the Bulls could get a number of suitors involved here and manage to turn him into a first rounder.

That would be the best move AK had made in his tenure.

jnrjr79 · Post #214 » by **jnrjr79** » Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:29 pm

Muzbar wrote:
sco wrote:
Muzbar wrote:Does it?

Fair. AK could be like me in high school when I didn't like the girl I was dating that much until other guys showed interest...or so she said...I was so gullable!

Seriously though, I think AK, for all his faults, has been good at telegraphing his moves, and I think Vuc was one of them. I don't even need a 1st for Vuc, just a young player with potential, which all those teams have.

I'm not optimistic on AK getting anything done. This is the same guy that has sat on his hand for 3 straight deadlines.

I'm so same however, I'm fine with not getting a FRP, but if they get a young player (preferably a big) with a bit of upside, that would be good.

But I'm not holding my breath.

I don't know about this. I think AK is bad, but you can't let that just make you conclude he'll never actually do anything. There have been multiple reports that the Bulls would like to trade Vooch. Now there are reports of multiple interested teams. There seems to be no real reason to think Vooch is likely to stick around.

Muzbar · Post #215 » by **Muzbar** » Fri Dec 13, 2024 10:09 pm

jnrjr79 wrote:
Muzbar wrote:
sco wrote:Fair. AK could be like me in high school when I didn't like the girl I was dating that much until other guys showed interest...or so she said...I was so gullable!

Seriously though, I think AK, for all his faults, has been good at telegraphing his moves, and I think Vuc was one of them. I don't even need a 1st for Vuc, just a young player with potential, which all those teams have.

I'm not optimistic on AK getting anything done. This is the same guy that has sat on his hand for 3 straight deadlines.

I'm so same however, I'm fine with not getting a FRP, but if they get a young player (preferably a big) with a bit of upside, that would be good.

But I'm not holding my breath.

I don't know about this. I think AK is bad, but you can't let that just make you conclude he'll never actually do anything. There have been multiple reports that the Bulls would like to trade Vooch. Now there are reports of multiple interested teams. There seems to be no real reason to think Vooch is likely to stick around.

Probably the same reason as the last 2 season, the fabulous play-in tournament. The Bulls are within reach once again and will likely be throughout the season.

Dan Z · Post #216 » by **Dan Z** » Sat Dec 14, 2024 1:05 am

Muzbar wrote:
jnrjr79 wrote:
Muzbar wrote:I'm not optimistic on AK getting anything done. This is the same guy that has sat on his hand for 3 straight deadlines.

I'm so same however, I'm fine with not getting a FRP, but if they get a young player (preferably a big) with a bit of upside, that would be good.

But I'm not holding my breath.

I don't know about this. I think AK is bad, but you can't let that just make you conclude he'll never actually do anything. There have been multiple reports that the Bulls would like to trade Vooch. Now there are reports of multiple interested teams. There seems to be no real reason to think Vooch is likely to stick around.

Probably the same reason as the last 2 season, the fabulous play-in tournament. The Bulls are within reach once again and will likely be throughout the season.

I could also see AK thinking (or saying) that Vucevic is playing well and only has one more year on his contract. Plus, he might not be confident in Jalen Smith starting.

I've said this before, but based on what AK has said in the past he generally doesn't think about the future and takes it season-by-season.

Hopefully I'm wrong. I agree...a young player or a pick...some kind of asset for Vucevic would be good.

ChettheJet · Post #217 » by **ChettheJet** » Sat Dec 14, 2024 4:20 pm

Yes AK has done nothing at the last 3 deadlines, for cleaning house or getting rid of the unpopular that's bad. On the other hand, sort of like GarPax, he also didn't throw any hail Marys and make any desperation deals to get the last playoff spot and end up stepping in it, getting stuck with too many contracts just getting to the play in and digging himself a hole to get out of.

The short and long game have to be played at the same time.

For the teams now supposedly interested in Vuc, I'd want to make the deal ASAP. If I think he's going to help them win more game, let's get more wins starting now and moving up a slot or three in the playoff order rather than wait until the deadline, have fewer games for the chemistry to sort out and less time to win more regular season games. Of course if it's a three way trade, as I believe is the best for Vuc and Zach, then you have to factor in the other teams' timeline.

For the Bulls sooner is better if they're getting some rotation players back so they can reset for the play in run or if they get a pick and filler so they can be ready for the deadline deals for Carter, Craig, Zach etc.

Guru · Post #218 » by **Guru** » Sat Dec 14, 2024 4:42 pm

AKME played this perfectly.

burlydee · Post #219 » by **burlydee** » Sat Dec 14, 2024 6:50 pm

Trading Vuc is about getting the beat young guy you can get. Detroit has a few young guys (Thompson, Duren) that may be worth pursuing. As does New Orleans.

Vuc for Duren, Hardaway and a 2nd round pick works.

Golden State is a bit harder. Vuc and Craig for Melton, Kyle Anderson, Trace Jackson Davis and a 2nd round pick.

Hoping the Bulls can get a young big in any deal.

jnrjr79 · Post #220 » by **jnrjr79** » Sat Dec 14, 2024 7:23 pm

Muzbar wrote:
jnrjr79 wrote:
Muzbar wrote:I'm not optimistic on AK getting anything done. This is the same guy that has sat on his hand for 3 straight deadlines.

I'm so same however, I'm fine with not getting a FRP, but if they get a young player (preferably a big) with a bit of upside, that would be good.

But I'm not holding my breath.

I don't know about this. I think AK is bad, but you can't let that just make you conclude he'll never actually do anything. There have been multiple reports that the Bulls would like to trade Vooch. Now there are reports of multiple interested teams. There seems to be no real reason to think Vooch is likely to stick around.

Probably the same reason as the last 2 season, the fabulous play-in tournament. The Bulls are within reach once again and will likely be throughout the season.

Yes, and in prior years, it has been consistently reported that the Bulls wanted to make the play-in and AK himself said as much. This season? Nope.