2025 Draft prospects - thread 2

[Infinity2152]

Watched a draft show today. Can't credit their sources, and they emphasized these are rumored offers for Coby White:

Orlando: Built around 16th pick and Cole Anthony
Mavericks: Future first and one of Lively, Gafford, Washington (trade we've been speculating for awhile)
GS Warriors: Kuminga plus Moody and future draft capital (assume Vucevic goes in that trade too)

Will be shocked if Coby gets traded for anything less than a massive overpay.

I think they value Coby very highly here, so I agree. I think Lively is kind of slept on because he's missed so many games and they have Gafford and now AD. He's missed a bunch of games, but at 20 yrs old his per 36 last year: 14pts, 12 rbs, 70% FG, 2.4 blocks, .9 steals with a DBPM of 2.2. We get him, keep him healthy and locked up, we could be done looking for centers for the next 10-15 years.

Think he's going to be the better version of Nic Claxton. More athletic IMO, rim running center who's active and can play both man and help defense, and block shots. All around defensive threat who eats off screens and running.

[Almost Retired]

https://youtu.be/8tFZ22cgtuc?si=PhqzYDEdfJl2fbFU

Good listen.

Vecenie is very high on Beringer. Sees him going 10-15. Also high on Kalkbrenner.

i've done a little more research into beringer and my takeaway is that he wouldn't necessarily be a bad pick at 12, but i'd really be a lot more comfortable with drafting him if we had more than one first-round pick.

i like his general profile and really like taking a guy who's come a long way in a short time after picking up the game late in life, but i just feel like there isn't really the realistic upside potential that totally justifies the level of risk you're taking on. i could see him becoming a plus starting center, but i dunno if i see a path to him becoming anything more than that, and i also think there's a really good chance he just ends up as a depth big

I'd take the safer pick which is Kalkbrenner, but on a trade down. Kalkbrenner is a legit "5", with a well rounded game. I view Beringer as a developmental 4/5. Kalkbrener could probably play almost immediately being older with more experience. With Beringer you're probably not going to get even rotation minutes until his 2nd year, if you're lucky. Now taking Beringer with a high 2nd round pick, if we could acquire one, would be attractive. We could leave him in Europe to play another year while retaining his rights. Then bring him over and sign him with a little more experience under him. He did get into basketball late. Another year playing in Europe where he'd more likely to get meaningful minutes would be a better path for him.

[sco]

Watched a draft show today. Can't credit their sources, and they emphasized these are rumored offers for Coby White:

Orlando: Built around 16th pick and Cole Anthony
Mavericks: Future first and one of Lively, Gafford, Washington (trade we've been speculating for awhile)
GS Warriors: Kuminga plus Moody and future draft capital (assume Vucevic goes in that trade too)

Will be shocked if Coby gets traded for anything less than a massive overpay.

I think they value Coby very highly here, so I agree. I think Lively is kind of slept on because he's missed so many games and they have Gafford and now AD. He's missed a bunch of games, but at 20 yrs old his per 36 last year: 14pts, 12 rbs, 70% FG, 2.4 blocks, .9 steals with a DBPM of 2.2. We get him, keep him healthy and locked up, we could be done looking for centers for the next 10-15 years.

Think he's going to be the better version of Nic Claxton. More athletic IMO, rim running center who's active and can play both man and help defense, and block shots. All around defensive threat who eats off screens and running.

Good points; however, I don't think AK is as smart as you. He'll keep Coby almost no matter what. I think he'd turn down Lively. I think he'd turn down 2 non-lotto firsts. I think he'd turn down the #5 pick.

[DuckIII]

Watched a draft show today. Can't credit their sources, and they emphasized these are rumored offers for Coby White:

Orlando: Built around 16th pick and Cole Anthony
Mavericks: Future first and one of Lively, Gafford, Washington (trade we've been speculating for awhile)
GS Warriors: Kuminga plus Moody and future draft capital (assume Vucevic goes in that trade too)

Will be shocked if Coby gets traded for anything less than a massive overpay.

Its hard to imagine AK having the balls or creativity to trade a currently impactful player rather than just doing the "safe" thing and keeping him, especially on draft day rather than at the deadline with more time to evaluate. So yes, it would likely require a massive overpay to bet AK to bite. And though I believe Coby is a valuable player for Chicago and provides things we CURRENTLY need, I do worry about the long term fit if I understand what the plan is for the future roster. Which I probably don't.

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I’d do the GS trade and then try to spin Kuminga to Dallas for Gafford (or Lively) and Washington.

[Jvaughn]

Not familiar with the prospect, but sharing the video:

Watch on YouTube

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Gafford Smith Collins
Matas Washington Phillips
Heurter PWill Terry
Moody Ayo #12-Richardsen
Giddey Jones

Follow up to trade idea. In which case I’d draft Richardson to help replace Coby’s production.

[sco]

Gafford Smith Collins
Matas Washington Phillips
Heurter PWill Terry
Moody Ayo #12-Richardsen
Giddey Jones

So you think Coby for Gafford/Washington and Vuc for Moody?

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Would like to get some draft capital with that if possible. We would still have Lonzo too. Great depth.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

We still have 2 weeks until the draft??? Can we just draft a player already so I can talk myself into them?

[BullsSD]

Gafford Smith Collins
Matas Washington Phillips
Heurter PWill Terry
Moody Ayo #12-Richardsen
Giddey Jones

Follow up to trade idea. In which case I’d draft Richardson to help replace Coby’s production.

Fixed.

Gafford Smith Collins
Washington Phillips P Will
Matas Huerter Terry
Ayo Moody
Giddey #12-Richardsen/Demin

[BullsSD]

Not familiar with the prospect, but sharing the video:

Watch on YouTube

One of my top players in this draft. Would be absolute steal at 45.

Still hoping, with all the trade rumors the Bulls are involved in, we are able keep a 12-16 range pick, add a 20-30, and keep 45 if not move up in the 2nd round to the 30's.

[drosestruts]

Did we already comment on Beringer's official measurements coming out?

6'11" barefoot, 234 pounds, 7'4.5" wingspan, and a 9'3" standing reach

If you like athletic centers chances are you like Beringer.

I've been a fan at times during the lead up to the draft. His ability to run the floor and be a vertical spacer would be a new addition to our roster.

I also feel like if that's what you like you could always just sign a free agent like Deandre Jordan, Jaxson Hayes, Jericho Sims, Christian Koloko, or Kai Jones

The player archetype is sort of readily available

Love me some Kai Jones

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Gafford Smith Collins
Matas Washington Phillips
Heurter PWill Terry
Moody Ayo #12-Richardsen
Giddey Jones

Follow up to trade idea. In which case I’d draft Richardson to help replace Coby’s production.

Fixed.

Gafford Smith Collins
Washington Phillips P Will
Matas Huerter Terry
Ayo Moody
Giddey #12-Richardsen/Demin

That works. But how did you get Demin? And we both forgot Lonzo.

[kodo]

Givony's latest mock has Chicago taking CMB. Woo has us taking Noa Essengue, although it's worth noting Woo has usually been pretty bad at predicting what our FO would do.

Beringer, Demin, and Bryant also in play at 12.

Enter Beringer, a highly intriguing long-term prospect who boasts outstanding physical tools, defensive versatility and shot-blocking prowess. The 18-year-old will need time to fill out his frame and gain experience, but he has the type of length, mobility and timing that isn't easy to come by.

[JohnnyTapwater]

Haven't heard this name in a while, but Noah Penda reminds me of Nocioni.

[sco]

Is it just me or are others now firmly of the belief that:

1) There will be at least 1 starting-caliber/high impact player available when we draft at #12, and
2) That AK will draft someone who is another Terry-caliber player (i.e. too flawed to get off the bench on a good team)

IMO, the only thing that can save us is if someone unexpected drops and AK has no choice, like Matas did.

[Jcool0]

Givony's latest mock has Chicago taking CMB. Woo has us taking Noa Essengue, although it's worth noting Woo has usually been pretty bad at predicting what our FO would do.

Beringer, Demin, and Bryant also in play at 12.

Enter Beringer, a highly intriguing long-term prospect who boasts outstanding physical tools, defensive versatility and shot-blocking prowess. The 18-year-old will need time to fill out his frame and gain experience, but he has the type of length, mobility and timing that isn't easy to come by.

Fwiw:

ESPN draft analysts Jonathan Givony and Jeremy Woo explored the first round of the 2025 NBA draft from two differing perspectives: selecting for team need versus drafting for best available.

How would teams approach this year's draft if they were selecting with their biggest needs for the upcoming season at the forefront? How might that approach change if they were looking to extract the most value for their pick in selecting the best player available, regardless of fit?

This mock draft isn't what we project each NBA team will do, but it's a useful way to think about the draft, its eligible players and how front offices might be thinking through it as the two-day event draws closer (June 25-26, 8 p.m. ET on ABC and ESPN).

[Jcool0]

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[Chi town]

Haven't heard this name in a while, but Noah Penda reminds me of Nocioni.

I’ve been a big fan of Penda. Think he’s better than Drake now but Drake will be better in a few years. Drake with the higher ceiling but Penda the higher floor. He’s like a stronger Boris Diaw. Excellent defender.