O'Connor: Bulls interested in Gobert and Mitchell Robinson

[Jcool0]

And what happens in the playoffs?

Good question....let's see what his team rating is when he's on the floor.....

Reg. Season: O-Rating = 137 D-Rating = 103
Playoffs: O-Rating = 134 D-Rating = 112

Stats without context. Why can’t he and Mitchell get out of the first round? Two max players.

They have been out of the 1st round.

[Jimako10]

And what happens in the playoffs?

Good question....let's see what his team rating is when he's on the floor.....

Reg. Season: O-Rating = 137 D-Rating = 103
Playoffs: O-Rating = 134 D-Rating = 112

Stats without context. Why can’t he and Mitchell get out of the first round? Two max players.

They did get out of the 1st round last year. This year, Mitchell (50 TS%) and Conley (43 TS%) forgot how to score. Gobert at least performs consistently.

[TheSuzerain]

I think it's also notable that Gobert is a better fit out east in terms of getting exploited by 5-out.

Bucks, 76ers, Nets, and Heat all have stars who will be on the court that Gobert can match up with.

Celtics more malleable I guess but it doesn't seem that bad.

Hawks I suppose would be the "bad" matchup style wise but whatever.

[Red8911]

Good question....let's see what his team rating is when he's on the floor.....

Reg. Season: O-Rating = 137 D-Rating = 103
Playoffs: O-Rating = 134 D-Rating = 112

Stats without context. Why can’t he and Mitchell get out of the first round? Two max players.

They did get out of the 1st round last year. This year, Mitchell (50 TS%) and Conley (43 TS%) forgot how to score. Gobert at least performs consistently.

So why does Utah want to trade Gobert and not Mitchell ?

[Jcool0]

Stats without context. Why can’t he and Mitchell get out of the first round? Two max players.

They did get out of the 1st round last year. This year, Mitchell (50 TS%) and Conley (43 TS%) forgot how to score. Gobert at least performs consistently.

So why does Utah want to trade Gobert and not Mitchell ?

Mitchell will be 29 in 2025. Gobert will be 33.

[WindyCityBorn]

They did get out of the 1st round last year. This year, Mitchell (50 TS%) and Conley (43 TS%) forgot how to score. Gobert at least performs consistently.

So why does Utah want to trade Gobert and not Mitchell ?

Mitchell will be 29 in 2025. Gobert will be 33.

Are you saying they are equal talents and age is the deciding factor? Granted I think Mitchell became widely overrated as a superstar a while back, but his current status seems about right.

[samwana]

Lonzo’s perimeter defense, switchability and three point shooting was the glue that held that team together.

That being said - if he’s never available, it’s doesn’t mean much.

Yup.

I did have a slight bone to pick with his game though. For perspective, he did have atleast 15 games where he shot the ball horribly. And he only played 35 games. So that's a lot of games where he didn't do much on offense other than his slick passes. But no doubt he brought a lot of great elements to the team.

Defense was great though. You aren’t exactly going to be getting much offense out of Gobert either.

you may not get much outside shooting with gobert, but you won't get much missed bunnies around the basket either, plus he can catch a lob and finish it. i don't want a non-shooting center lumbering around the 3pointline.i want a center that plays like a center.

that said i don't know if i want robert at his price tag.

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[Jcool0]

So why does Utah want to trade Gobert and not Mitchell ?

Mitchell will be 29 in 2025. Gobert will be 33.

Are you saying they are equal talents and age is the deciding factor? Granted I think Mitchell became widely overrated as a superstar a while back, but his current status seems about right.

If you are looking to break up Mitchell and Gobert which it seems maybe Utah is considering you will usually will keep the younger player. Utah has been around a 50 win team the last few seasons and stats say Gobert is a big reason why they win. Will be interesting to see if he is traded and i guess it also depends on who they get back. But can Mitchell keep them a winning team as the clear #1 guy.

[sco]

Can we talk about potential alternatives to Gobert pros/cons/cost?

Gobert: 15.6ppg 14.7rb 2.1bk 71%FG 69%FT - on 7.7 shots per game

Vuc: 17.1ppg 11.0rb 1bk 47.3fg 76%FT 31%3pt% - took 4.5 3's

MRob: 8.5ppg 8.6rb 1.8bk 76%fg 48.9FT - only played 26min per game

Bamba: 10.6ppg 8.1rb 1.8bk 48%fg 78.8%FT 38%3PT - took 4 3's per game

Hartenstein: 8.3ppg 4.9RB 1.1bk 62.6%FG 68.9%FT - 17.9 minutes and shot 40%+ on small volume (30) 3 attempts



Gobert gives elite stats in volume. Elite defender, but also a plus offensive player. Does things in P&R that many can't. Will likely cost us Pat (or our 1st, or both) that creates other roster holes and limits future depth.

MRob gives you shot blocking, dunking, but IMO isn't great in P&R and is generally an offensive liability, but could possibly be had for a price that lets you have a 2nd decent C on the roster.

Bamba given you shot blocking and 3pt shooting. Not great in P&R, but might be gettable for a reasonable price, however, will likely cost us an asset in a S&T.

Hartenstein shows interesting stats on both ends. May become a 3pt shooter, but everything on limited minutes, however, could be gettable on MLE deal that doesn't cost assets.

[gobullschi]

Rudy Gobert is such an interesting player because his valuations are always all over the board every year. There is no doubt he is an excellent rebounder, rim protector, offensive rebounder, and finisher near the hoop. That being said, usually that skill set can be found at a much smaller price tag.

His ability to alter shots and protect the rim are so elite that we are supposed to ignore his insane price tag and the fact that shooting from the perimeter has become more and more popular in todays NBA?

[jnrjr79]

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i find that hard to believe given that artie has committed strongly to 3 players who are pretty much the polar opposite in lavine, derozan and vuc

1) hasn't committed to LaVine yet (though I expect him to)
2) he also committed to Caruso and Ball - whether he's also signed offensively-minded players does not somehow mean he does not also like defensively-minded ones

[TheSuzerain]

Good question....let's see what his team rating is when he's on the floor.....

Reg. Season: O-Rating = 137 D-Rating = 103
Playoffs: O-Rating = 134 D-Rating = 112

Stats without context. Why can’t he and Mitchell get out of the first round? Two max players.

They have been out of the 1st round.

Lmao. 3 times.

[gobullschi]

Stats without context. Why can’t he and Mitchell get out of the first round? Two max players.

They have been out of the 1st round.

Lmao. 3 times.

IMO, their failures in the post season have more to do with their lack of on ball scoring ability. You need two players that can create their own shot at will - they only have one (Mitchell).

Also, besides Gobert - none of their roster can defend. They rely on him way too much.

[bueller]

Am really liking the idea of a Gobert acquisition.

2 years younger than Vuc. Much more impactful to winning.

Lonzo/Lavine/Caruso/Demar/Gobert.

Add in Ayo, 2022 First Round Pick, 2022 Free Agent, and whomever is back from Javonte/Derrick/Troy/Tony (assuming Vuc/PAW/Coby to Jazz.)

[MikeDC]

If the Jazz are really gonna blow it up, I'd try to get Conley out of the deal too. If they're looking to get younger and cheaper, we could add Coby, Bradley, and Troy Brown via Sign and Trade and take back Conley in addition to the basic Pat/Vuc for Gobert framework.

Something I think folks are papering over is how much Gobert's offensive value depends on a high level PG who can deliver really sharp passes to him. Getting Conley keeps that in place. Without him, I have a lot of doubts about the Bulls PGs being able to get him the ball effectively in close (playoff) kind of settings. Also, Conley's a good shooter and gives us the insurance we need in the unfortunately likely case that Lonzo is going to be messed up. Conley's a step below the best, but as far as PG play, he's a step above what we've got.

I don't know that the Jazz want to trade Conley, but it stands to reason that if they're looking at trading Gobert, I think they'd at least consider it.

1- Conley, Caruso
2- Zach, Ayo
3- DDR, ???
4- ???, ???
5- Gobert, ???

Wildcard: Lonzo

Even then, lots of holes on the Bulls. If/when Lonzo comes back, they obviously can use him and play small like they did this year, but they still really need to add some bigs. They'd want to throw the MLE at someone like Boucher (who's switchability, shooting, and shot blocking would be awesome next to Rudy) I think, and try to fill in with depth there, but that's a tea that should get to the second round, and if they get Lonzo healthy so the point they could roll out lineups like
Conley / Zach / Lonzo / DDR / Rudy
Caruso / Zach / Lonzo / Boucher / Rudy
Or really small lineups with
Caruso / Zach / Lonzo / DDR / Boucher
They can really give a lot of different looks against other teams

[sco]

If we end up needing to include Williams in a deal for Gobert, I'm insisting they take Marko too!

[WindyCityBorn]

Am really liking the idea of a Gobert acquisition.

2 years younger than Vuc. Much more impactful to winning.

Lonzo/Lavine/Caruso/Demar/Gobert.

Add in Ayo, 2022 First Round Pick, 2022 Free Agent, and whomever is back from Javonte/Derrick/Troy/Tony (assuming Vuc/PAW/Coby to Jazz.)

Yuck.

[boundbymusic]

People don't seem to realize just how bad Gobert's contract is. Having to throw in PW, Coby and picks to go with Vooch is overkill. Vooch's contract, Coby and a protected pick would probably get this thing done.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Ainge has likely no interest in the assets coming back to him being Coby and a 1st. It’ll get beat very quickly.

[MalagaBulls]

Another overlooked fact is that Ainge is calling the shots, AKA Danny "I'm gonna fleece ya everytime" Ainge. Buyer Beware!