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Re: Vučević discussion thread. I don't want to but what the heck. 

Post#41 » by WindyCityBorn » Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:53 pm

RSP83 wrote:I was wrong about him. I called out that he's going on a hopeless sharp decline after mediocre showing in the pre-season. Maybe he's no longer playing under pressure this year. I hope we still have a chance to sell high on him before the deadline. Not sure anybody would give up FRP for him though.


I would take another young player like Giddey back as the centerpiece of deal. Gonna be hard to get a 1st for 34 year old center that doesn’t play defense.
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Post#42 » by chitownsports4ever » Tue Nov 19, 2024 5:22 pm

sco wrote:It seems like a confidence thing. I see that he now has confidence in his 3 ball and it seems affect his movement, where before he would hesistate early in the shot, it seems to be more free flowing. Inside, those millions of escaped bunnies he missed seemed to go away. Before, I noticed, especially against shot blockers, he would rush shots at the rim and be off target, he doesn't seem to rush those shots as much. Goes to show that the game is more mental that I think it is. I'd love to know what he did differently this offseason to have such a big impact on his game.



He talks about about in decent yahoo article from a couple of weeks ago his shooting and the offensive changes

https://sports.yahoo.com/worst-3-point-shooting-season-233500741.html

I felt like a lot of my shots last year, I was rushing it a little bit and I wasn’t staying in them,” Vučević said. “That’s really what I tried to work on this year — just staying in my shot, taking my time. Don’t rush it. Trust it.”



He ended the season at his exit interview saying

https://www.nba.com/bulls/news/nikola-vucevic-acknowledges-disappointing-season-up-to-the-front-office-now

“Obviously, looking at my season as a whole the one thing that sticks out is my three-point shooting percentage was not great,” Vučević acknowledged. “I’ll look at that and see the reason why. Did I overthink or whatever it was, see where to get better and improve. With us the consistency never got constant. We let a lot of games slip we had a chance to win. Close calls where we had a chance to get to .500 and never were able to get over the hump and the bad start dug us a big hole and that was hard to come back from.”
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Post#43 » by sco » Tue Nov 19, 2024 5:40 pm

chitownsports4ever wrote:
sco wrote:It seems like a confidence thing. I see that he now has confidence in his 3 ball and it seems affect his movement, where before he would hesistate early in the shot, it seems to be more free flowing. Inside, those millions of escaped bunnies he missed seemed to go away. Before, I noticed, especially against shot blockers, he would rush shots at the rim and be off target, he doesn't seem to rush those shots as much. Goes to show that the game is more mental that I think it is. I'd love to know what he did differently this offseason to have such a big impact on his game.



He talks about about in decent yahoo article from a couple of weeks ago his shooting and the offensive changes

https://sports.yahoo.com/worst-3-point-shooting-season-233500741.html

I felt like a lot of my shots last year, I was rushing it a little bit and I wasn’t staying in them,” Vučević said. “That’s really what I tried to work on this year — just staying in my shot, taking my time. Don’t rush it. Trust it.”



He ended the season at his exit interview saying

https://www.nba.com/bulls/news/nikola-vucevic-acknowledges-disappointing-season-up-to-the-front-office-now

“Obviously, looking at my season as a whole the one thing that sticks out is my three-point shooting percentage was not great,” Vučević acknowledged. “I’ll look at that and see the reason why. Did I overthink or whatever it was, see where to get better and improve. With us the consistency never got constant. We let a lot of games slip we had a chance to win. Close calls where we had a chance to get to .500 and never were able to get over the hump and the bad start dug us a big hole and that was hard to come back from.”

Wow...good to see I'm right for a change. Thanks!!!
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Post#44 » by kodo » Tue Nov 19, 2024 5:52 pm

Defense is obviously still pretty rough, hypothetically Vuc is a good candidate for going twin towers and putting a traditional blocking center next to him. I don't think you lose much by having Patrick go to the bench. It's not like Patrick can take guys off the dribble.

On a Vuc/Jalen bigman pairing I don't think you even lose any 3P shooting, Smith is 37%.
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Post#45 » by FriedRise » Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:21 pm

chitownsports4ever wrote:
sco wrote:It seems like a confidence thing. I see that he now has confidence in his 3 ball and it seems affect his movement, where before he would hesistate early in the shot, it seems to be more free flowing. Inside, those millions of escaped bunnies he missed seemed to go away. Before, I noticed, especially against shot blockers, he would rush shots at the rim and be off target, he doesn't seem to rush those shots as much. Goes to show that the game is more mental that I think it is. I'd love to know what he did differently this offseason to have such a big impact on his game.



He talks about about in decent yahoo article from a couple of weeks ago his shooting and the offensive changes

https://sports.yahoo.com/worst-3-point-shooting-season-233500741.html

I felt like a lot of my shots last year, I was rushing it a little bit and I wasn’t staying in them,” Vučević said. “That’s really what I tried to work on this year — just staying in my shot, taking my time. Don’t rush it. Trust it.”



He ended the season at his exit interview saying

https://www.nba.com/bulls/news/nikola-vucevic-acknowledges-disappointing-season-up-to-the-front-office-now

“Obviously, looking at my season as a whole the one thing that sticks out is my three-point shooting percentage was not great,” Vučević acknowledged. “I’ll look at that and see the reason why. Did I overthink or whatever it was, see where to get better and improve. With us the consistency never got constant. We let a lot of games slip we had a chance to win. Close calls where we had a chance to get to .500 and never were able to get over the hump and the bad start dug us a big hole and that was hard to come back from.”


So more confidence that the shot you're taking is the right one instead of in the past few years where everyone seemed to be second guessing whether they should let it fly or keep hunting for maybe a better shot. It still happens here and there, but I generally see a lot fewer instances of players turning down an open look.

They also know that they don't have the crutch that is DeMar anymore where if the shot clock is at 8, then they can just give him the ball and let him cook. Turn down an open look now and you're probably not gonna find a better shot.
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Post#46 » by GoBlue72391 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:46 pm

The "Vuc is doing good now that Demar is gone" is such a weak argument that it doesn't really warrant discussion.

Even if you concede that the paint is clear with Demar gone giving more room for Vuc to operate, it still doesn't carry weight because

A) his shot chart isn't really changed as another poster pointed out

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B) he's getting those same wide-open 3s he got last year, he's just making them now. That has literally nothing to do with Demar or anyone else other than Vuc himself.

He's also not blowing 2-3 bunnies per game either, something that also has nothing to do with Demar.

It's just scapegoating. Vuc is just playing better this season, period, and he is the one who deserves credit for that, not Demar's departure.
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Post#47 » by GoBlue72391 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:49 pm

FriedRise wrote:Vooch seems to excel with the faster pace style of play compared to the slow it down. Maybe it's the focus on getting up 3s and quick shots/passes, but I rarely ever see him post up anymore. When he does, it's usually a couple quick dribbles and a hook. And this is with him having more space without DeMar and his defender crowding him in a 5-out offense.

Yes, we all wish his defense would be better (if he would just raise his arms when a shot goes up...), but I don't know if we can fully blame it on him when you've got leaks coming in from all over the place with Coby, Giddey, and Zach hilariously trying to contain the perimeter. We are better at defending 3s now with improvements in both percentage (-3%) and volume (-4.5%), but the flip side is everyone's attacking us at the rim and we can't stop them.

We have some posters saying Vuc is thriving because now he plays inside-out without Demar as opposed to outside-in, and some saying he's thriving now because he barely posts up due to the fast-paced style. These are conflicting statements.

I'm not calling anyone out, but I think we're just grasping at straws to find an explanation for why Vuc is so much better this season when the answer is honestly simple: he's mostly taking the same shots as last year, he's just making more of them now.
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Post#48 » by chitownsports4ever » Tue Nov 19, 2024 8:56 pm

GoBlue72391 wrote:The "Vuc is doing good now that Demar is gone" is such a weak argument that it doesn't really warrant discussion.

Even if you concede that the paint is clear with Demar gone giving more room for Vuc to operate, it still doesn't carry weight because

A) his shot chart isn't really changed as another poster pointed out

and

B) he's getting those same wide-open 3s he got last year, he's just making them now. That has literally nothing to do with Demar or anyone else other than Vuc himself.

He's also not blowing 2-3 bunnies per game either, something that also has nothing to do with Demar.

It's just scapegoating. Vuc is just playing better this season, period, and he is the one who deserves credit for that, not Demar's departure.



Demar being gone is not the sole reason but it has helped him and its not as if it was done to intentionally hurt Voochs game but was moreso just the way we had to play with the pieces we had .

Vooch plays the entire court on offense but before he came to the Bulls he was a Center/Left high volume scorer but one of his greatest strengths is that he can literally screen and make shots from anywhere but with Demar half the floor was cut off because Demar preferred the Center/left half of the court as well now add in that Demar was not a 3pt shooter and that court is condenses even more for not only Vooch for everyone .

This year cut and you can get an easy basket

Last year dont cut because you may bring an extra defender to Demars area .

At the end of the day you still have to make your shots but there is no doubt that Demar being gone has opened up some things that we haven't been able to do before
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Post#49 » by boozapalooza » Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:45 pm

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Feels inevitable that either Vuc or Zach (maybe both) will end up in LA
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Post#50 » by drosestruts » Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:16 pm

Happy to see Vuc playing better but am still 100% in on wanting to trade him (desire to trade LaVine changes depending on a number of factors).

Curious timing on that report about LA - I was just coming here to post that despite how good he's played who out there is actually looking for a big man upgrade?

Turns out, at least maybe the Lakers.

Hard to think of others - I know Indy is dealing with a lot of injuries to their centers but I don't know if they'd go the Vuc route due to the extra year on his deal.

Pistons have a young center - not sure they're willing to attempt to fast track that

Hornets - Mark Williams still doesn't play basketball it seems. Don't think we're good trade partners however

Pelicans - again, don't think we're good trade partners.

Vuc finally plays well in a year where there's not much of a market for a center. Classic.
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Post#51 » by sco » Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:26 pm

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Feels inevitable that either Vuc or Zach (maybe both) will end up in LA

It is hard to make the $ work with LA and get back anything useful. I really want Vandy in the deal, but I think we'd be stuck with Rui + Hayes...it would be great to get a 2029 pick, but that my be reaching.
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Post#52 » by GuardianEnzo » Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:54 pm

sco wrote:
boozapalooza wrote:
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Feels inevitable that either Vuc or Zach (maybe both) will end up in LA

It is hard to make the $ work with LA and get back anything useful. I really want Vandy in the deal, but I think we'd be stuck with Rui + Hayes...it would be great to get a 2029 pick, but that my be reaching.


Vooch has a 3.9 BPM this season (4.2 OBPM), by far the best of any Bull who’s playing actual minutes. He’s not going to keep shooting like this but he does look much better in this new offense and with an actual PG.

I don’t see why that ‘29 1st round pick should be off the table. He’s a center putting up 20/10 on crazy efficiency with basically a 6th man contract. If the Lakers want to go all-in (and why wouldn’t they) that’s got to be part of the deal of you don’t even pick up the phone.
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Post#53 » by 2weekswithpay » Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:24 am

The Lakers need a backup center. Vuc's 20M salary is probably a bit too much for them plus they need defense, not another liability. Just go after cheaper options.
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Post#54 » by GuardianEnzo » Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:50 am

Vooch and AD totally work as a tandem.
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Post#55 » by Clint Eastwood » Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:16 am

Rui, Knect, hayes for vuc and torrey craig works on trade checker. I would consider that. I would probably need a pick too. Waiting for the overrating of knects value in 3, 2, 1…
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Post#56 » by Chi town » Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:05 am

Clint Eastwood wrote:Rui, Knect, hayes for vuc and torrey craig works on trade checker. I would consider that. I would probably need a pick too. Waiting for the overrating of knects value in 3, 2, 1…


Lakers are calling Knecht the draft steal. I’m sure he’s off the table now.

Think it would need to be a 3 way.
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Post#57 » by Chi town » Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:21 am

I see best fits for Vuc…

Mavs, Lakers, Dubs, Bucks, Suns, Magic

I’d want a late 1st for him.
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Post#58 » by Clint Eastwood » Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:24 am

Chi town wrote:
Clint Eastwood wrote:Rui, Knect, hayes for vuc and torrey craig works on trade checker. I would consider that. I would probably need a pick too. Waiting for the overrating of knects value in 3, 2, 1…


Lakers are calling Knecht the draft steal. I’m sure he’s off the table now.

Think it would need to be a 3 way.

Knect is a decent asset, but by no means a future star. Vuc and craig could really help that team a lot more in lebron and davis’s last runs…

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Post#59 » by Clint Eastwood » Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:26 am

Chi town wrote:I see best fits for Vuc…

Mavs, Lakers, Dubs, Bucks, Suns, Magic

I’d want a late 1st for him.

No chance I give Vuc up for anything less than a top 15 pick. He is excellent, and vastly underrated by this board. Playing the best ball of his career at the center position, he has tremendously higher value than everyone here suggests. Granted, trading him for a bad pick guarantees we keep our pick this year, and that has value. But i love his game and won’t deal him for less than top 15 pick or young asset like Knect plus something
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Post#60 » by FriedRise » Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:31 am

Chi town wrote:
Clint Eastwood wrote:Rui, Knect, hayes for vuc and torrey craig works on trade checker. I would consider that. I would probably need a pick too. Waiting for the overrating of knects value in 3, 2, 1…


Lakers are calling Knecht the draft steal. I’m sure he’s off the table now.

Think it would need to be a 3 way.


Maybe we send them back THT as a sweetener :lol:

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