Woj: Vucevic/Aminu for Carter Jr/Porter/ 2 1sts

[MisterRoy]

If Zach leaves after next year, that 2023 pick could be quite high.

I think some of these moves will help prevent that.


Sent from somewhere you've never been.

[Nucky Thompson]

If Zach leaves after next year, that 2023 pick could be quite high.

Bulls will use Bird rights on Lavine most likely....

[ThisGuyFawkes]

Pax is somewhere, fuming because we're losing all of our "flexability".

[DuckIII]

At this point im not sure how anybody can be happy about the move. Vucevic is a really good player but this team is so not ready to compete for anything. A follow-up move or two to establish a primary playmaker on this team could change my mind, but right now we didn't just trade for Vuc, we traded for becoming the Orlando Magic. The same problems Vuc had there, he will have here. He needs a real PG. So does LaVine.

I agree with almost all of this except I do think we are much better positioned than Orlando. Regardless, I’m not at all happy about a meager top 4 protection.

Unless we make a move for a playmaker. Lonzo. Without that, our most glaring team need still has not been addressed and we just sent out the only assets we reasonably has to cure that ailment.

Keep in mind that top 4 protection is all you really want and is in no way “meager.” You can only jump up in the lottery into those four slots. If the season ended today, the Bulls could only draft 9 or later if they don’t jump into the top four, and you figure the Bulls’ position is only going to improve as a result of today’s trades.

Basically, top 4 is all you need if the team is going to be halfway decent. This only bites you if you decide to tank in 2022-2023.

That’s a great point. Thanks.

Though I’m still not sold this takes us out of the lottery unless a significant move comes in the next hour or so. As such, we could yet have given up the 7-10 pick in a draft with plenty of value there.

Part of what I’m having trouble with is that I view this team’s lack of playmaking and defense on the perimeter as the obvious huge problem. Without addressing that, now without our best tool to address it, it feels like we ignored the huge crack in the dam to upgrade the wiring instead.

[Red8911]

Man, the Aminu contract is bad. On the books for $10 million next year.

Just another year, plus he’s a solid player to have and will use him. He’s had injuries this year but he’s been back lately I believe.

[VolumePoster]

That’s what it costs to get an all star. And at a position of need. Sure I wish the protection was better, but it’s a fair deal.

About the age; he is not so dependent on athleticism that he will decline quickly. He’s going to age like Gasol.

Magic get a nice haul of picks and of course WCJ still has promise.

It’s just...a fair deal.

[DuckIII]

If Zach leaves after next year, that 2023 pick could be quite high.

One of the clear motivations behind this is to secure Lavine long term.

[FriedRise]

So in Vuc, we got an all star who can play the point center role for 34 minutes per game (while actually stretching the other big out unlike Thad), shoot the ball from anywhere, has a lethal post game, and has the size to actually protect the rim. He's also only getting paid around what we're paying Zach now.

Yes we had to send two 1sts because the players going out were Wendell and Otto and his contract, but I'm having a hard time seeing why this was a bad trade.

[jnrjr79]

I agree with almost all of this except I do think we are much better positioned than Orlando. Regardless, I’m not at all happy about a meager top 4 protection.

Unless we make a move for a playmaker. Lonzo. Without that, our most glaring team need still has not been addressed and we just sent out the only assets we reasonably has to cure that ailment.

Keep in mind that top 4 protection is all you really want and is in no way “meager.” You can only jump up in the lottery into those four slots. If the season ended today, the Bulls could only draft 9 or later if they don’t jump into the top four, and you figure the Bulls’ position is only going to improve as a result of today’s trades.

Basically, top 4 is all you need if the team is going to be halfway decent. This only bites you if you decide to tank in 2022-2023.

That’s a great point. Thanks.

Though I’m still not sold this takes us out of the lottery unless a significant move comes in the next hour or so. As such, we could yet have given up the 7-10 pick in a draft with plenty of value there.

Part of what I’m having trouble with is that I view this team’s lack of playmaking and defense on the perimeter as the obvious huge problem. Without addressing that, now without our best tool to address it, it feels like we ignored the huge crack in the dam to upgrade the wiring instead.

The Bulls obviously didn’t have the luxury of waiting on this trade to see if the Lonzo trade comes through, but one assumes their plan is to trade for Lonzo today and then, failing that, pursue him as a RFA. I agree the fit looks a lot better with a guard who can defend, pass, and handle the ball.

[DroseReturnChi]

That’s what it costs to get an all star. And at a position of need. Sure I wish the protection was better, but it’s a fair deal.

About the age; he is not so dependent on athleticism that he will decline quickly. He’s going to age like Gasol.

Magic get a nice haul of picks and of course WCJ still has promise.

It’s just...a fair deal.

how is it fair deal? theres a reason why you guys arent gms.
vuc was available for half the price and AG was more valuable yet nobody here suggested a trade a yr ago.
funny he makes all star now everyones like lets get him. This is like claiming lavine is a superstar after making all star.

[TheEndIsNigh]

My take is that Donovan did not sign on for a rebuild of a rebuild. I imagine AK sold him on aggressively using draft capital and players to improve the roster. We are a better team today than we were yesterday. I'm fine with trying something different.

That said, I agree with Duck. A follow up trade for a playmaker is really important. The roster desperately needs Ball or Brogdon to round it out.

If AK pulls off either of those moves then he becomes the patron Saint of the post Jordan Bulls.

[DuckIII]

I agree with almost all of this except I do think we are much better positioned than Orlando. Regardless, I’m not at all happy about a meager top 4 protection.

Unless we make a move for a playmaker. Lonzo. Without that, our most glaring team need still has not been addressed and we just sent out the only assets we reasonably has to cure that ailment.

Keep in mind that top 4 protection is all you really want and is in no way “meager.” You can only jump up in the lottery into those four slots. If the season ended today, the Bulls could only draft 9 or later if they don’t jump into the top four, and you figure the Bulls’ position is only going to improve as a result of today’s trades.

Basically, top 4 is all you need if the team is going to be halfway decent. This only bites you if you decide to tank in 2022-2023.

Just to back this up, the only way you can draft 5th is if you have one of the worst records in the NBA. Invariably with the new odds, a team or two is going to jump into the lottery from a low position and one of the worst teams is going to draft 5th.

Unless you think that there is a very good chance that Chicago will end up with a bottom 5 record this year or in 3 years, this is functionally top 6-7 protected.

Thanks you guys for these posts. It’s helping me see the trade more clearly, though I’m still in toe tapping mode for something else to break.

[DroseReturnChi]

If Zach leaves after next year, that 2023 pick could be quite high.

One of the clear motivations behind this is to secure Lavine long term.

thats why you secure a deal first and then all in. why would you risk like having stds?
from the body language, i can easily tell lavine is a very hot tempered like donlad trump he could easily leave.
Dont trust him in every way.

[TheSuzerain]

I agree with almost all of this except I do think we are much better positioned than Orlando. Regardless, I’m not at all happy about a meager top 4 protection.

Unless we make a move for a playmaker. Lonzo. Without that, our most glaring team need still has not been addressed and we just sent out the only assets we reasonably has to cure that ailment.

We need a follow-up move for this Vuc trade to make sense.

I don't think Lonzo is good enough though. We need a half-court playmaker.

You and I are in 100% agreement about the issues with this trade, and the need for something else to happen before it becomes a “win.”

If we’re done today, I’m not loving this at all.

However, I have a much higher opinion of Ball than you do. And I feel strongly he will continue to improve. So if we get Ball, or another legit playmaker, and are really going “all in” with a new core, I’m sold.

If not, I don’t see the intended endgame. We desperately need a playmaker. If we don’t trade for one now, and just jettisoned our first in a loaded draft, what’s the plan?

It seems odd, but I think the best course of action would be to shed salary for this upcoming free agency.

When you have 2 all-star scorers on the books for like $45 million, that's a good time to have open cap space to add a 3rd star.

It would admittedly be awkward because I think everyone is now thinking about this year's playoff run, but I'd very much like to see us move Thad/Sato/Aminu/Coby for expirings and whatever value we can get.

[MrSparkle]

Two all-stars for the price of $44m against the 2021/22 cap.

$20m+ cap-space, if Lauri is released.

Still have fake-value froth to explore on the market (Lauri, Coby, Sato). Maybe can bag something for Valentine. I'm not imagining it right now, but logically speaking, moving Thad at peak value makes sense. He is excellent but he is not able to handle 25 mpg load, and $15m next year is a premium cost for such a luxury low-minute player.

Simonovic looks half-promising. Vuc, Wagner, Aminu coming in and Pat looking better at PF.

I'd be very surprised if Lauri is not traded in the next hour.

[DuckIII]

Keep in mind that top 4 protection is all you really want and is in no way “meager.” You can only jump up in the lottery into those four slots. If the season ended today, the Bulls could only draft 9 or later if they don’t jump into the top four, and you figure the Bulls’ position is only going to improve as a result of today’s trades.

Basically, top 4 is all you need if the team is going to be halfway decent. This only bites you if you decide to tank in 2022-2023.

That’s a great point. Thanks.

Though I’m still not sold this takes us out of the lottery unless a significant move comes in the next hour or so. As such, we could yet have given up the 7-10 pick in a draft with plenty of value there.

Part of what I’m having trouble with is that I view this team’s lack of playmaking and defense on the perimeter as the obvious huge problem. Without addressing that, now without our best tool to address it, it feels like we ignored the huge crack in the dam to upgrade the wiring instead.

The Bulls obviously didn’t have the luxury of waiting on this trade to see if the Lonzo trade comes through, but one assumes their plan is to trade for Lonzo today and then, failing that, pursue him as a RFA. I agree the fit looks a lot better with a guard who can defend, pass, and handle the ball.

Has anyone crunched the new numbers to see what we’ll even have in capspace next summer to possibly sign Lonzo? I would assume we have much, much less space but not sure just how much it leaves us with.

[TheEndIsNigh]

If Zach leaves after next year, that 2023 pick could be quite high.

One of the clear motivations behind this is to secure Lavine long term.

thats why you secure a deal first and then all in. why would you risk like having stds?
from the body language, i can easily tell lavine is a very hot tempered like donlad trump he could easily leave.
Dont trust him in every way.

I would absolutely assume that these conversations are going on with Zach and his agent.

[jake_swivel]

So in Vuc, we got an all star who can play the point center role for 34 minutes per game (while actually stretching the other big out unlike Thad), shoot the ball from anywhere, has a lethal post game, and has the size to actually protect the rim.

It also allows you to get a long rim protector that is a mediocre shooter, and those dudes are easier to find.

[Buttah304]

Congrats fellas. Vuc has always been a Knick killer. In 30 career games he averages 19-11 shooting 54% FG and 39% 3PT against us. Looking forward to our last game we play each other this year.

[Cardinalsfan27]

That’s what it costs to get an all star. And at a position of need. Sure I wish the protection was better, but it’s a fair deal.

About the age; he is not so dependent on athleticism that he will decline quickly. He’s going to age like Gasol.

Magic get a nice haul of picks and of course WCJ still has promise.

It’s just...a fair deal.

how is it fair deal? theres a reason why you guys arent gms.
vuc was available for half the price and AG was more valuable yet nobody here suggested a trade a yr ago.
funny he makes all star now everyones like lets get him. This is like claiming lavine is a superstar after making all star.

How was Vuc available for half the price?