Love #5: P. 88, Bulls 'moving on' from Love

[Benedict Miller]

Maybe some of us have more belief in our team. Selling out comes easy I guess, for the thirsty.

'Our team' was ready to 'sell out' for Carmelo Anthony, he slammed the door in their face.

Support the jersey, the faces come and go. Like that guy Mitch, he followed a face, when the face went back to NY so did he. If some of our player move to a new team, my team is still the Bulls.

Loyalty has nothing to do with good player evaluation.

You're telling me to support the jersey? I've sat through the Rusty LaRue, Bryce Drew, & Dickey Simpkins days. Of course I support the jersey, Bulls fan 4 Life. But.. Trading Noah our heart & soul? I'd rather a guy like him win with us.

[panthermark]

To be honest I don't even think this Cleveland team is as good as Miami. I asked this question yesterday with no answer how will they maximize Lebron's abilities? The guy wants to pass he always wants to pass that's why Miami always had him surrounded by 3pt shooters, but who are the shooters for cleveland really? The guys that they do have out there to shoot the 3 aren't really spot up specialist like he had in Miami and those guys aren't good defenders either so while they may hit a few FTs we have the size to throw them in the post with our wings who are all tall for their position. Cleveland with or without Love doesn't scare me at all.

Really?

Love and Irving are both better shooters than Wade and Bosh were. Bosh made himself a 3pt shooter over time, but Love can already do it.

Mike Miller just followed him to Cleveland...and Ray-Ray might do the same.

Waiters is more of a scorer than a shooter....but if Mike Miller is playing in his place, the only guy that can't knock down threes is AV. I don't even want to think about the Bron/Love two man game. Yikes!

[Rerisen]

You're telling me to support the jersey? I've sat through the Rusty LaRue, Bryce Drew, & Dickey Simpkins days. Of course I support the jersey, Bulls fan 4 Life. But.. Trading Noah our heart & soul? I'd rather a guy like him win with us.

I would like to win with him, it was just a hypothetical to explain he doesn't have MJ like value. And if he doesn't, certainly Mirotic should not. We don't have anyone with that value. But I don't think Noah is in jeopardy of being traded, and I wouldn't put him in the package for Love, because that's talent for talent, when we can put in more future assets that make more sense for retaining a complete team.

[Proven_Winner]

To be honest I don't even think this Cleveland team is as good as Miami. I asked this question yesterday with no answer how will they maximize Lebron's abilities? The guy wants to pass he always wants to pass that's why Miami always had him surrounded by 3pt shooters, but who are the shooters for cleveland really? The guys that they do have out there to shoot the 3 aren't really spot up specialist like he had in Miami and those guys aren't good defenders either so while they may hit a few FTs we have the size to throw them in the post with our wings who are all tall for their position. Cleveland with or without Love doesn't scare me at all.

Really?

Love and Irving are both better shooters than Wade and Bosh were. Bosh made himself a 3pt shooter over time, but Love can already do it.

Mike Miller just followed him to Cleveland...and Ray-Ray might do the same.

Waiters is more of a scorer than a shooter....but if Mike Miller is playing in his place, the only guy that can't knock down threes is AV. I don't even want to think about the Bron/Love two man game. Yikes!

If you only make Kyrie a spot up 3pt shooter then you're not maximizing his abilities. I also said those shooters are really bad on defense and we have guys that can take them to school on offense.

We only focus on offense but damn where is the defense. The shooting would be great but you could argue they give that back up on defense. Offense is only half the game and right now if they get Love Bulls are more balanced and IMO that makes a load of difference.

I'm still not getting why some of you are overreacting to Kevin Love going there. All that really does is make the Cavs top heavy with offense, but leaves them weak on defense and arguably weak off the bench.

[AkronsFinest91]

I’m still hoping for a scenario where Bulls can land Kevin Martin for Dunleavy and scraps.

And the Cavs get gutted near New York style trading for Love.

If Lebron gets what Lebron wants, let's hope he gets Love at literally all costs.

Exactly. We get that, we'll be fine. Cleveland won't come close to the defensive juggernaut Miami was.

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To be honest I don't even think this Cleveland team is as good as Miami. I asked this question yesterday with no answer how will they maximize Lebron's abilities? The guy wants to pass he always wants to pass that's why Miami always had him surrounded by 3pt shooters, but who are the shooters for cleveland really? The guys that they do have out there to shoot the 3 aren't really spot up specialist like he had in Miami and those guys aren't good defenders either so while they may hit a few FTs we have the size to throw them in the post with our wings who are all tall for their position. Cleveland with or without Love doesn't scare me at all.

James jones, Mike Miller, Joe Harris, Kyrie, Dion and Kevin Love assuming he is traded. Ray Allen is also considering signing here for another season.

[RedBulls23]

I’m still hoping for a scenario where Bulls can land Kevin Martin for Dunleavy and scraps.

And the Cavs get gutted near New York style trading for Love.

If Lebron gets what Lebron wants, let's hope he gets Love at literally all costs.

I haven't been keeping up completely, so what would the scraps be? We would need Snell's salary to make up the difference, wouldn't we? Dunleavey + Snell for Martin, would that be the idea?

Maybe scraps wasn't the right word, but yeah dun dun and snell for Martin would be nice. Give us more offense.

[Swarles Xavier]

To be honest I don't even think this Cleveland team is as good as Miami. I asked this question yesterday with no answer how will they maximize Lebron's abilities? The guy wants to pass he always wants to pass that's why Miami always had him surrounded by 3pt shooters, but who are the shooters for cleveland really? The guys that they do have out there to shoot the 3 aren't really spot up specialist like he had in Miami and those guys aren't good defenders either so while they may hit a few FTs we have the size to throw them in the post with our wings who are all tall for their position. Cleveland with or without Love doesn't scare me at all.

Really?

Love and Irving are both better shooters than Wade and Bosh were. Bosh made himself a 3pt shooter over time, but Love can already do it.

Mike Miller just followed him to Cleveland...and Ray-Ray might do the same.

Waiters is more of a scorer than a shooter....but if Mike Miller is playing in his place, the only guy that can't knock down threes is AV. I don't even want to think about the Bron/Love two man game. Yikes!

If you only make Kyrie a spot up 3pt shooter then you're not maximizing his abilities. I also said those shooters are really bad on defense and we have guys that can take them to school on offense.

We only focus on offense but damn where is the defense. The shooting would be great but you could argue they give that back up on defense. Offense is only half the game and right now if they get Love Bulls are more balanced and IMO that makes a load of difference.

I'm still not getting why some of you are overreacting to Kevin Love going there. All that really does is make the Cavs top heavy with offense, but leaves them weak on defense and arguably weak off the bench.

He did answer your question though on how they will utilize Lbj. Yes they may be weak on the defensive side, but you can't argue that team aint scary. With Lbj alone they are scary enough but with love they have that another level. But all in all whatever happens I still do think we can take them on with our squad but it'll be harder with love with them.

[LaRue]

Maybe some of us have more belief in our team. Selling out comes easy I guess, for the thirsty.

'Our team' was ready to 'sell out' for Carmelo Anthony, he slammed the door in their face.

Support the jersey, the faces come and go. Like that guy Mitch, he followed a face, when the face went back to NY so did he. If some of our player move to a new team, my team is still the Bulls.

Loyalty has nothing to do with good player evaluation.

You're telling me to support the jersey? I've sat through the Rusty LaRue, Bryce Drew, & Dickey Simpkins days. Of course I support the jersey, Bulls fan 4 Life. But.. Trading Noah our heart & soul? I'd rather a guy like him win with us.

I don't know how you sat through the Rusty LaRue era, you should have been out of your seat cheering. Anyway, my reliable sauces tell me that Noah won't be moved for Love. Everybody should know that this Love Rollercoaster is going to end up with Kevin being an Ohio Player.
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[johnnyvann840]

James jones, Mike Miller, Joe Harris, Kyrie, Dion and Kevin Love assuming he is traded. Ray Allen is also considering signing here for another season.

This is true. A couple weeks ago, Cleveland had no shooting, now they have more shooters than Miami had... assuming Love and Ray are to be Cavs. 4 of 5 of their starters will be good to very good 3 pt shooters and they'll have a few more on the bench.

The Cavs problem won't be scoring points, they won't be able to stop anybody. they'll have the shooting now, but they won't have close to the defense the Heat had.

[panthermark]

If you only make Kyrie a spot up 3pt shooter then you're not maximizing his abilities. I also said those shooters are really bad on defense and we have guys that can take them to school on offense.

We only focus on offense but damn where is the defense. The shooting would be great but you could argue they give that back up on defense. Offense is only half the game and right now if they get Love Bulls are more balanced and IMO that makes a load of difference.

I'm still not getting why some of you are overreacting to Kevin Love going there. All that really does is make the Cavs top heavy with offense, but leaves them weak on defense and arguably weak off the bench.

You are not making Kyrie simply a spot up shooter, you are making him a 3rd option. There is only 1 ball...and defender HAS to stick with him. Nothing stopping them from running a 1/4 or 1/3 as well....and a defender will have to stick with the star not in the play. That is synergy.

As for defense, yes...it will be weaker. But team defense > individual defense. Plus they have AV who's sole job will be defend, rebound, and put-backs. Plus, they have one of the best defenders in the league when motivated....and he will have quite a bit more energy because he does not have a carry an offense.

BTW, if Love goes there, who do we have that can actually take advantage of them? We don't have all that great of scorers.

They will also be one of the top rebound teams in the league if the land Love. Minny was #12 in D with Love and Martin and no rim defender.

[Proven_Winner]

Exactly. We get that, we'll be fine. Cleveland won't come close to the defensive juggernaut Miami was.

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To be honest I don't even think this Cleveland team is as good as Miami. I asked this question yesterday with no answer how will they maximize Lebron's abilities? The guy wants to pass he always wants to pass that's why Miami always had him surrounded by 3pt shooters, but who are the shooters for cleveland really? The guys that they do have out there to shoot the 3 aren't really spot up specialist like he had in Miami and those guys aren't good defenders either so while they may hit a few FTs we have the size to throw them in the post with our wings who are all tall for their position. Cleveland with or without Love doesn't scare me at all.

James jones, Mike Miller, Joe Harris, Kyrie, Dion and Kevin Love assuming he is traded. Ray Allen is also considering signing here for another season.

Never said they didn't have shooters, but that I don't feel they have the 3pt shooter (spot up) which is what Lebron wants most. Also I haven't heard anything about Allen saying he's going there his agent shot the rumor down that he's coming back. Still said he's deciding.

[Repeat 3-peat]

Chicago Bulls Rumors @chicagobullsbot · 2h

Chicago Bulls Pau Gasol has won 14 out of 15 career games against Kevin Love in addition to outplaying Kevin Love overall in these games.

Chicago Bulls Rumors @chicagobullsbot · 3h

Chicago Bulls Pau Gasol averages 19.7 PPG, 59% FG when playing against Kevin Love. Love averages 16.3 PPG, 42% FG when playing against Gasol

[johnnyvann840]

If you only make Kyrie a spot up 3pt shooter then you're not maximizing his abilities. I also said those shooters are really bad on defense and we have guys that can take them to school on offense.

We only focus on offense but damn where is the defense. The shooting would be great but you could argue they give that back up on defense. Offense is only half the game and right now if they get Love Bulls are more balanced and IMO that makes a load of difference.

I'm still not getting why some of you are overreacting to Kevin Love going there. All that really does is make the Cavs top heavy with offense, but leaves them weak on defense and arguably weak off the bench.

You are not making Kyrie simply a spot up shooter, you are making him a 3rd option. There is only 1 ball...and defender HAS to stick with him. Nothing stopping them from running a 1/4 or 1/3 as well....and a defender will have to stick with the star not in the play. That is synergy.

As for defense, yes...it will be weaker. But team defense > individual defense. Plus they have AV who's sole job will be defend, rebound, and put-backs. Plus, they have one of the best defenders in the league when motivated....and he will have quite a bit more energy because he does not have a carry an offense.

BTW, if Love goes there, who do we have that can actually take advantage of them? We don't have all that great of scorers.

They will also be one of the top rebound teams in the league if the land Love. Minny was #12 in D with Love and Martin and no rim defender.

We'll destroy that Cavs team. With or without Love. Taj and Gasol will DESTROY, Kevin Love's no defense playin ass. I cannot wait. Irving's defense is laughable, Wiaters is a joke. AV is overrated on D. Love is one of the worst in the league. Lebron cannot cover everyone. Kyrie Irving is actually hilarious to watch try and defend . Love isn't much better than Boozer at PnR D and they have no real size or beef to contend with our bigs.

[Proven_Winner]

If you only make Kyrie a spot up 3pt shooter then you're not maximizing his abilities. I also said those shooters are really bad on defense and we have guys that can take them to school on offense.

We only focus on offense but damn where is the defense. The shooting would be great but you could argue they give that back up on defense. Offense is only half the game and right now if they get Love Bulls are more balanced and IMO that makes a load of difference.

I'm still not getting why some of you are overreacting to Kevin Love going there. All that really does is make the Cavs top heavy with offense, but leaves them weak on defense and arguably weak off the bench.

You are not making Kyrie simply a spot up shooter, you are making him a 3rd option. There is only 1 ball...and defender HAS to stick with him. Nothing stopping them from running a 1/4 or 1/3 as well....and a defender will have to stick with the star not in the play. That is synergy.

As for defense, yes...it will be weaker. But team defense > individual defense. Plus they have AV who's sole job will be defend, rebound, and put-backs. Plus, they have one of the best defenders in the league when motivated....and he will have quite a bit more energy because he does not have a carry an offense.

BTW, if Love goes there, who do we have that can actually take advantage of them? We don't have all that great of scorers.

And we have the defenders that can stick to Kyrie like glue.

So if that's the case why do you stress about Love going there since we are arguably the best defensive team for about 4 years straight. Then who will stop Butler, McD, and Rose? All 3 guys could have a mismatch and could take advantage of it.

Gasol isn't that great of a defender though so realistically you could see a couple of our guys scoring on him. But since were going there who can Love take advantage of when we bring in Taj? Kevin Love doesn't scare me because he doesn't really dominate us.

[BeatDaCavs420]

So some of you would trade Noah for Love

I am getting this right

[johnnyvann840]

Chicago Bulls Rumors @chicagobullsbot · 2h

Chicago Bulls Pau Gasol has won 14 out of 15 career games against Kevin Love in addition to outplaying Kevin Love overall in these games.

Chicago Bulls Rumors @chicagobullsbot · 3h

Chicago Bulls Pau Gasol averages 19.7 PPG, 59% FG when playing against Kevin Love. Love averages 16.3 PPG, 42% FG when playing against Gasol

and as I was posting there are the numbers from Pau.. Wow.

[Proven_Winner]

I'm just really not intimidated by a heavy offensive team and I'm not convinced that they cna really beat us with that group. Defense is lacking bad there just like offense was lacking bad here, but alot of you are so scared of them. We learned scoring alot doesn't mean your a contender and that being one dimensional period makes you a contender so why are we afraid of a one-dimensional team?

[FillTheRafters]

Chicago Bulls Rumors @chicagobullsbot · 2h

Chicago Bulls Pau Gasol has won 14 out of 15 career games against Kevin Love in addition to outplaying Kevin Love overall in these games.

Chicago Bulls Rumors @chicagobullsbot · 3h

Chicago Bulls Pau Gasol averages 19.7 PPG, 59% FG when playing against Kevin Love. Love averages 16.3 PPG, 42% FG when playing against Gasol

WOW if that's accurate.

[Proven_Winner]

Chicago Bulls Rumors @chicagobullsbot · 2h

Chicago Bulls Pau Gasol has won 14 out of 15 career games against Kevin Love in addition to outplaying Kevin Love overall in these games.

Chicago Bulls Rumors @chicagobullsbot · 3h

Chicago Bulls Pau Gasol averages 19.7 PPG, 59% FG when playing against Kevin Love. Love averages 16.3 PPG, 42% FG when playing against Gasol

and as I was posting there are the numbers from Pau.. Wow.

It's funny because after looking at the numbers Pau has done better against us than love has the past 4 years. I wonder how Love's stat line looks when being guarded by Jo and Taj.

[NecessaryEvil]

So some of you would trade Noah for Love

I am getting this right

C Gasol / Gibson
F Love / Mirotic
F McDermott / Butler / Snell
G Butler / Brooks / Snell / Hinrich
G Rose / Brooks / Hinrich

Yeah, I would. I'm assuming we might get Kevin Martin in the deal also (Noah & Dunleavy)? Then for sure I definitely would. He's the better basketball player and the true 2nd option. Gasol feasts @ C & Love stays on the wings playmaking and hoisting long 2's or 3's in a pick n roll with D-Rose.

I'd rather do that than lose offensive talents like McDermott & Mirotic. Noah's aging and is injury prone. Besides, the other guy averages 26 & 13. So yeah, no hell yeah.