Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed

[VCfor3]

Link ?

Just saw it:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/one-trade-deadline-target-for-each-nba-team/ss-BBSiiWr?ocid=spartanntp#image=9

hmm...depends on if it's a first.

IMO, assuming he comes back healthy (which is a big iff), Denzell is probably better than Monk - but I'll call it a wash. Jabari is just an expiring, so it's 2 years of $27M for a pick. That's a lot. Batum will become tradable as an expiring in another season. He also allows us to punt the SF position forward a year (if we end up with the Zion prize).

Honestly reading that article is sounds like the writer isn't assigning much value to Denzel. If that is the case, you may be able to replace him with someone else.

[PrimzyBulls81]

Just saw it:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/one-trade-deadline-target-for-each-nba-team/ss-BBSiiWr?ocid=spartanntp#image=9

hmm...depends on if it's a first.

IMO, assuming he comes back healthy (which is a big iff), Denzell is probably better than Monk - but I'll call it a wash. Jabari is just an expiring, so it's 2 years of $27M for a pick. That's a lot. Batum will become tradable as an expiring in another season. He also allows us to punt the SF position forward a year (if we end up with the Zion prize).

Honestly reading that article is sounds like the writer isn't assigning much value to Denzel. If that is the case, you may be able to replace him with someone else.

not a good trade,without picks..

[danzou]

DSJ available...I wonder if he is a better long term fit than Dunn.

[MrSparkle]

DSJ available...I wonder if he is a better long term fit than Dunn.

Don’t think he is.... But you buy 2 years of rookie salary.

[LateNight]

On face value, without thinking about contract, I think I'd rather have Dunn.

The scenario I worry about is: what if we trade for DSJ and then end up in a position where Ja Morant is BPA?

Morant / Dunn seems less redundant if you plan to play them. If your plan is to trade one (DSJ/Dunn), not sure who is a stronger piece.

[sco]

The more I think about it, the less I'd like to trade Dunn for DSJ. Basically, if I don't like Dunn as our starter, I want to go after Kyrie, Walker or Rozier before I'd want DSJ.

[PrimzyBulls81]

The more I think about it, the less I'd like to trade Dunn for DSJ. Basically, if I don't like Dunn as our starter, I want to go after Kyrie, Walker or Rozier before I'd want DSJ.

Only Rozier seems realistic,but even him a longshot.. Morant is our best option probably,if we dont land Zion as no.1

[ChettheJet]

Which teams have bad contracts that they might want to shed using an asset (most likely a first)?

The Wizards might try to shed Mahinmi's contract, but he has one more year left at 15 million.

Charlotte might try to shed Batum. He has two more years at 25 million and 27. Yikes!

Anyone else?

I always shied away from Mahinmi because we have too many centers now but I think the injury to Carter sets up an opening. See what the WIZ will accept and trade for him now and get a a 1st. You can trade Lopez, Portis or both and get some other assets that stick around next year or a pick. Maybe you find a chump to tale Felicio.

You enter next season with Carter recovered, Mahimni coming off the bench with an expiring deal so when the deadline approaches maybe you movehim. You see what kind of backup 4 you find next summer, maybe one who can be your backup 5 as Portis is now.

While Whiteside and Batum are good players they aren't going to make a huge difference in the record to balance out those huge salaries. If you take either of them it's got to be with a lottery pick no restrictions. Again, other teams made the mistake of signing them to huge contracts, it's not the Bulls responsibility to bail out those teams.

[TheStig]

The more I think about it, the less I'd like to trade Dunn for DSJ. Basically, if I don't like Dunn as our starter, I want to go after Kyrie, Walker or Rozier before I'd want DSJ.

I mean we're not getting Kyrie or Walker. We could possibly get Rozier but he will be making 3-4x DSJ. I'd happily trade Dunn for DSJ and through in some 2nds or another asset that's not a 1st or Carter or Lauri or Lavine. Keep in mind DSJ is a 2nd year player, so he's still got rookie salary years.

[Davell]

The ONLY thing this organization needs to be concerned with is acquiring young players and picks. And looking for a new coach next year. The fit of who we get in return, as far as bad contracts go is 100% immaterial. So is even bothering to think about FA. Why? Because no good FA in their right mind is joining us right now. And with the amount of teams with money to spend, we're going to have to overpay the Roziers of the world too. This thing is a complete mess. Work on getting assets period. Because we are a long, long, long way off from needing to worry about anything else at all.

[NecessaryEvil]

The more I think about it, the less I'd like to trade Dunn for DSJ. Basically, if I don't like Dunn as our starter, I want to go after Kyrie, Walker or Rozier before I'd want DSJ.

Only Rozier seems realistic,but even him a longshot.. Morant is our best option probably,if we dont land Zion as no.1

With his finishing & athletic ability, it would be a nice gift from the Gods for missing the prime of D-Rose in Chicago.

Morant is definitely 2nd for me.

[Herrdoktor33]

I was thinking thru the lines of the Jabari-Kanter trade and came up with this, including Memphis:

.Jabari and RoLo to NY

.Kanter/Portis/Hezonja/Blakeney to Memphis

.Marc Gasol and C.Lee to Bulls.

*Memphis should add some pick because they're taking less money than NY and Bulls.

-We take Lee's and Gasol's contracts, but Gasol is a great player and would help develop WCJ and Lauri.
-Memphis clears space for next season and basically gets shooters and offensive power for this one.
-NY clears lots of space for next year and gets to try Jabari.

[sco]

I was thinking thru the lines of the Jabari-Kanter trade and came up with this, including Memphis:

.Jabari and RoLo to NY

.Kanter/Portis/Hezonja/Blakeney to Memphis

.Marc Gasol and C.Lee to Bulls.

*Memphis should add some pick because they're taking less money than NY and Bulls.

-We take Lee's and Gasol's contracts, but Gasol is a great player and would help develop WCJ and Lauri.
-Memphis clears space for next season and basically gets shooters and offensive power for this one.
-NY clears lots of space for next year and gets to try Jabari.

Gasol wants to go to a contender and he would hurt our pick, so I think that deal doesn't accomplish much. Memphis is getting a bunch of marginal talent and giving up Gasol...and a pick?

[sco]

The more I think about it, the less I'd like to trade Dunn for DSJ. Basically, if I don't like Dunn as our starter, I want to go after Kyrie, Walker or Rozier before I'd want DSJ.

I mean we're not getting Kyrie or Walker. We could possibly get Rozier but he will be making 3-4x DSJ. I'd happily trade Dunn for DSJ and through in some 2nds or another asset that's not a 1st or Carter or Lauri or Lavine. Keep in mind DSJ is a 2nd year player, so he's still got rookie salary years.

Good point. Ok. I'll do it.

[StunnerKO]

Rozier sucks more than Dunn

[Herrdoktor33]

I was thinking thru the lines of the Jabari-Kanter trade and came up with this, including Memphis:

.Jabari and RoLo to NY

.Kanter/Portis/Hezonja/Blakeney to Memphis

.Marc Gasol and C.Lee to Bulls.

*Memphis should add some pick because they're taking less money than NY and Bulls.

-We take Lee's and Gasol's contracts, but Gasol is a great player and would help develop WCJ and Lauri.
-Memphis clears space for next season and basically gets shooters and offensive power for this one.
-NY clears lots of space for next year and gets to try Jabari.

Gasol wants to go to a contender and he would hurt our pick, so I think that deal doesn't accomplish much. Memphis is getting a bunch of marginal talent and giving up Gasol...and a pick?

Gasol is an expiring and read Memphis was thinking about trading him. 2nd rounder or late 1st.

Maybe those players are "marginal" talent but I believe they fit Memphis style.

Maybe you're right about Marc hurting our pick a bit. But he can always get injured like last year.

[gobullschi]

Chicago:
Ryan Anderson - PF
Josh Jackson - G/F
Elie Okobo - G

Phoenix:
Jabari Parker
Kris Dunn
2 2nd Round Picks

PG - Ryan Arcidiacono / Elie Okobo
SG - Zach LaVine / Antonio Blakeney
SF - Josh Jackson / Chandler Hutchison
PF - Lauri Markkanen / Bobby Portis/ Ryan Anderson
C - Robin Lopez / Wendell Carter

Bulls and Suns swap former top 5 picks. Sun's Jackson is expendable because of Warrens play and they need a PG. Plus they just added Oubre. Jackson fills the SF vacancy for the Bulls. Suns take a chance on Parker while dumping Ryan Anderson's contract. Bulls add a young PG that has time to develop and can fill Dunn's shoes for now...

[sco]

I was thinking thru the lines of the Jabari-Kanter trade and came up with this, including Memphis:

.Jabari and RoLo to NY

.Kanter/Portis/Hezonja/Blakeney to Memphis

.Marc Gasol and C.Lee to Bulls.

*Memphis should add some pick because they're taking less money than NY and Bulls.

-We take Lee's and Gasol's contracts, but Gasol is a great player and would help develop WCJ and Lauri.
-Memphis clears space for next season and basically gets shooters and offensive power for this one.
-NY clears lots of space for next year and gets to try Jabari.

Gasol wants to go to a contender and he would hurt our pick, so I think that deal doesn't accomplish much. Memphis is getting a bunch of marginal talent and giving up Gasol...and a pick?

Gasol is an expiring and read Memphis was thinking about trading him. 2nd rounder or late 1st.

Maybe those players are "marginal" talent but I believe they fit Memphis style.

Maybe you're right about Marc hurting our pick a bit. But he can always get injured like last year.

If we just trade Jabari, RoLo and Portis for a 2nd rounder, we'd be better off.

[Ayman78]

Hear me out on this one. The point of this trade is two fold one proper development of Lauri Markkanen and Wendell Carter Jr., and two acquiring another lottery pick in this Year's draft.

Trade Jabari Parker, Felicio and Bobby Portis to the Wizards for John Wall, Markieff Morris and an unconditional 1st round pick 2019.

Rational for Wizards they dump their super max contract of Wall freeing them up to build around Bradley Beal. It would be tough giving up a lottery pick, but the restrictions on signing free agents and having to trade Beal is worse long-term for them.

The Bulls get a legitimate Point Guard to properly run an offense that will get Lauri and Wendell the ball in positions to be successful. If Lauri and Wendell are as good as I think they are with John Wall and Zach Lavine playing off the ball with two top lottery picks and a decent head coach the team should be good enough to make the playoffs. Making the playoffs will imo be key for the young players to establish winning habits. Of course with Wall and Lavine the Bulls will not have cap room to sign any other major free agents. Essentially the team will be committing to Lauri and Wendell as well as the players drafted in the 2019 draft to determine the direction of the organization for the next decade.

[ThreeMileAllan]

If we break down that trade into parts...

Part 1

trading Portis for the Wizards 2019 1st round pick


Part 2

Trading Jabari and Felicio for Wall.

Felicio has two seasons left beyond this one at 8M per.

After this season, Wall has 38M, 41M, 44M, 47M .... before the 15% trade kicker.

Even if we justify it a bit by saying shedding Felicios salary eases the blow, that only lasts 2 seasons. So after factoring in 15% kicker and Felicios soft blow...

Net Cap impact is 36M, 39M, 50M, 54M.

THAT. IS. CRAZY.






I would have much rather spent that kind of money on Jimny Butler (and I remind everyone we didnt have to give him the whole supermax, just a little above it to beat everyone, but that ship has sailed).

The other aspect of this trade is that the Wizards 1st rounder helps ease the cap budget by letting us keep cheap talent on a rookie contract. Maybe like 8M per season we would have spent on a vet.

I am sorry but we need more to make that worth it. And thats before we are talking about locker room fit.

We would need at least TWO 1st rounders, shed Felicio, and Wall to make anyone in the NBA give it consideration.

I will say this. IF we land Barrett or Zion, we strike out in free agency, if the Wizards offer two FRPs (NOT swaps but actual FRPs), I would think about it.




TURN ON feasible DREAM GOGGLES:


BUT wouldnt you rather sign Rose for whatever he is worth on the FA market, roll out the ball and go? That option is so much better.

you might even be able to sell Anthony Davis on a Chicago lineup with Rose and a cheap Jabari.

I think Lauri, Lavine, Dunn, Felicio, 2020 first rounder and future 1st round swap can get AD here, provided he signs extension. Hell if you can send Lavine and Felicio away, we can grab AD, a max player and still have room for Rose/Jabari/vet signing

Starters:
AD (29M)
Jabari (5M?)
Valentine (3M)
Butler (32M)
Rose (20M)

Bench:
Carter (5M)
2019 1st round pick, one of the Dukies(5M)
Hutch (2M)
Blakeney
Teodesic (2M)

End of Bench, 2nd rounders and 2 way:
Arci
2019 memphis 2nd rounder

A LOT of playmaking and lineup flexibility. Can go all defense or run the floor. Almost everyone shoots well enough to keep defense honest.



I mean try to imagine scoring on Carter, AD, Zion or Hutch, Butler, Rose

Dead Cap:
Asik (3M)

Shed:
Lavine (20M)
Felicio (8M)
Dunn (5M)
Portis (4M)















Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk