Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[Mr Funk]

How about keeping Asik? Or Korver? Or trading for Ben Gordon and a 1st? Or trading for Reddick? Or how about not hard capping the team?

If we matched that Asik contract, we wouldn't be able to sign Mirotic for 2014-2015.

Rose $18,862,876
Noah $12,200,000
Deng $10,000,000 (let's just say an average range of 10 million)
Taj $8,000,000
Asik $14,898,938
Boozer $16,800,000

$80,761,814 - way into the tax, can't risk getting into the repeater under the new CBA. And the entire roster hasn't been filled out at this point.

Korver? While an elite three point shooter, that's all he can do and he's essentially been useless in the playoffs: 7.1 PPG, 0.412 FG%, 0.381 3P%.

How could we afford Ben Gordon's contract when we're already in the tax?

And why would we want to give up assets for a rental in Redick? While he's a good shooter, he's not the kind of player that is going to put the Bulls over the top.

Or how about simply not conducting business in such a manner that virtually every NBA writer consistently states something like "The Bulls big goal is to cut costs" or "The Bulls are very wary about the luxury tax"?

So we should just blow cash on anyone and everything and operate like the Knicks?

Or how about saying to Rose, "Hey, you work your ass off to get back on the court. And while you do that, we're gonna make this team better for when you get back." And then going out and actually doing this.

Again, players like Redick or Josh Smith aren't going to put us over the top.

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What statement did Derrick Rose release? Craig Sager just talked about Reggie's comments and said something about Derrick's statement. Did I miss something? Or do I have to search these 58483 pages?

Here's his comment below, bro:

“I have always felt that the Bulls organization’s goals have been the same as mine and that is to bring another championship to this city.”

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Bucher is good friends with BJ, I see him and Reggie on the same wavelength.

But BJ as the agent, its less hot for Reggie to put this out.

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Later tonight I give my take here regarding the situation.......

But I want to post this:

Derrick said they'll have a statement about Reggie's comments. Credit @DavidHaugh for getting in the one question during a walk-by

https://twitter.com/espnchijon

Ha! Told ya so. (I don't mind saying that.) Derrick won't address it impromptu. Gotta go back to Reggie and the team to work out the detailed lie. Haugh caught him off guard.

More than likely, GarPax will help them with the talking points.

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Again, players like Redick or Josh Smith aren't going to put us over the top.

Wait a minute, the Bulls are doing enough side has argued this team is as good, if not even better than last year's cast. That with a healthy Rose we have chance to win it all, like we certainly did at some level last year before he went down. So better players wouldn't help that chance even more? Which is it, team is good enough, or not good enough.

[DuckIII]

Thanks. Look, lets just stand up and be counted. If you support what Reggie said, and a lot of people clearly do, then admit you support the team's most important player threatening to not return and help his teammates because he thinks they aren't worthy of his effort.

Issue is simple as far as I can see. Rose needs to play when healthy. Bulls need to spend, and think, like the big market team they are when you have a superstar of Rose's quality.

Reggie said something worthy for its pressure inducing effects, but his end game recourse of what to do about it is totally off.

Agree with all.

[coldfish]

I love it how the guys supporting Reggie are acting like they are just telling the truth. You want the truth? It is a superstar league and there are two of them. The Bulls don't have one. The Bulls have built a team a superstar can win with but Rose isn't that player. Because of that, the Bulls are basically screwed.

Not any superstar save LeBron maybe. But regardless of not having a top 3 guy, let's stop paying Kirk Hinrich nearly as much as OJ Mayo, or the type of guys that really could give us a much better chance.

The idea that it 'doesn't matter' what the hell we do, because we don't have a top 3 guy, is just as vapid.

I'd rather reach the ECF or even Finals, than 1st or 2nd round.

Well, if you think that a fully healthy Bulls team is anything less than the 2nd best team in the east, you haven't been paying attention. By your own rationale, no one else has a multi star team in the east.

Regardless, people want this to be a Bulls FO bashing thread. That's fine but its a complete strawman. Reggie's comments were childish, uninformed, selfish and counterproductive.

[GetBuLLish]

Go back to 2010. The last time Chicago had a chance to get a superstar. Remember Wade saying "Chicago isn't loyal"? Remember the results of 2010?

Yes, Wade was basically trashing the Bulls FO. I don't get what this has to do with Rose. What Wade said is evidence that superstar players may think poorly about the Bulls FO.

Are you trying to say that because Wade (and possibly other superstars) think badly about the Bulls FO, Rose should never ever publicly criticize the FO, no matter how pissed off he is at them?

That would be pretty ridiculous to me.

Read your own post. Lebron left Cleveland. Did Cleveland win a title? Melo demanded to leave Denver. Did Denver win a title? Did Minnesota win? You basically 100% backed up my post without realizing it. A superstar complaining publicly is normally very bad for a franchise.

Yes, when the player ends up leaving the franchise, it is bad for the franchise. I don't see how that's relevant to what happened here. A superstar complaining publicly is bad because that means the player might leave. I have never heard that a player publicly complaining for help makes other players not want to come. Are you suggesting that?

[Mr Funk]

Wait a minute, the Bulls are doing enough side has argued this team is as good, if not even better than last year's cast. That with a healthy Rose we have chance to win it all, like we certainly did at some level last year before he went down. So better players wouldn't help that chance even more? Which is it, team is good enough, or not good enough.

We already have what Smith essentially does in Deng and Boozer, and Smith is not only not worth renting (losing assets), but he's a boob with zero basketball IQ and has a crappy attitude. He wouldn't fit in.

Redick would just be another rental and it's not worth giving up the assets.

[Ax2SG]

Here's his comment below, bro:

“I have always felt that the Bulls organization’s goals have been the same as mine and that is to bring another championship to this city.”

That's just it? Really? Well, thinking it through it's not like it's supposed to be some statement going like "excuse my brother, he did it based on his opinion but I think differently" and all that crap. I really wish Derrick would just be by the bench in a suit for some games like some injured players do.

[WinCity]

Thanks. Look, lets just stand up and be counted. If you support what Reggie said, and a lot of people clearly do, then admit you support the team's most important player threatening to not return and help his teammates because he thinks they aren't worthy of his effort.

Issue is simple as far as I can see. Rose needs to play when healthy. Bulls need to spend, and think, like the big market team they are when you have a superstar of Rose's quality.

Reggie said something worthy for its pressure inducing effects, but his end game recourse of what to do about it is totally off.

Agree with all.

Agreed. I think the overall sentiment Reggie expressed is a long time coming, and entirely necessary to get a philosophy change from JR. The details of what he said were practically nonsense. But then again he is not really an analyst so much as a loyalist to Derrick. In the end I think this will work out for the best. Surely GarPaxDorf are going to want to sit down with Rose and make sure all is well. Rose will reaffirm his desire to see the FO do more to build a title team. Publicly though Rose will not criticize either the Bulls or Reggie. This could have been much more thoughtfully stated by Reggie, but I think the overall message will get across.

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Regardless, people want this to be a Bulls FO bashing thread. That's fine but its a complete strawman. Reggie's comments were childish, uninformed, selfish and counterproductive.

In the context of it being a reason not to play this year, I totally agree.

But as far as the team not getting Rose enough help, we haven't. The team has been without a SG alone for 3 years now, and the best we can do is broken old Rip, and lackidasical and thoroughly mediocre Belinelli, not good enough. Rumor was that Rose went to management two years ago to address this.

When your 30th pick in the draft, who hardly even plays when Deng is healthy, is the best SG on the team, something is wrong.

And next year looks no better, when you line up finances, it looks like Hinrich is going to be put there.

Heck, just find a taller version of Nate that can play the 2, give this team a chance floor balance wise.

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I love it how the guys supporting Reggie are acting like they are just telling the truth. You want the truth? It is a superstar league and there are two of them. The Bulls don't have one. The Bulls have built a team a superstar can win with but Rose isn't that player. Because of that, the Bulls are basically screwed.

Who are the two superstars that you are referencing?

1. Lebron -- He has two #2s on his team (Wade & Bosh)

2. Durant -- He had two #2s & a version of Noah (Ibaka) when he made it to the finals. He currently has Westbrook & Ibaka still.

3. Kobe -- The Lakers had multiple superstars around him during all of his title wins.

4. CP3 -- He has a #2 (Blake)

[ryan44]

Yes, Wade was basically trashing the Bulls FO. I don't get what this has to do with Rose. What Wade said is evidence that superstar players may think poorly about the Bulls FO.

Are you trying to say that because Wade (and possibly other superstars) think badly about the Bulls FO, Rose should never ever publicly criticize the FO, no matter how pissed off he is at them?

That would be pretty ridiculous to me.

I read it as if a current player wants to get help, he's not helping the cause by going out and reinforcing the negative stereotypes of his franchise. Do you disagree with that? Or do you think that Rose/team Rose bashing the Bulls FO makes it more likely that other players will want to play in Chicago?

[GetBuLLish]

I read it as if a current player wants to get help, he's not helping the cause by going out and reinforcing the negative stereotypes of his franchise. Do you disagree with that?

Why can't the Bulls FO fight that negative stereotype through its own actions?

Instead, it's supposed to be up to Rose to keep his mouth shut even if he thinks those stereotypes are true?

Not only is that bullsh*t, but it also serves to enable the FO in continuing down its same old path. And the point of Reggie's statement is to light a fire under the FO's ass so that they change their course.

[DuckIII]

*I give free passes to talented people*

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Reggie Rose isn't a big name outside Chicago I think. The possible negative repercussions of this are being wildly overblown. If Bulls want to spend and are able to, players will come. It's a great city and competitive team that is just a bit shy of being strong contenders.

The only huge negative is if Rose really didn't play. And I won't crucify him for what his brother said until that happens.

[ryan44]

I read it as if a current player wants to get help, he's not helping the cause by going out and reinforcing the negative stereotypes of his franchise. Do you disagree with that?

Why can't the Bulls FO fight that negative stereotype through its own actions?

Instead, it's supposed to be up to Rose to keep his mouth shut even if he thinks those stereotypes are true?

Not only is that bullsh*t, but it also serves to enable the FO in continuing down its same old path. And the point of Reggie's statement is to light a fire under the FO's ass so that they change their course.

If he's interested in making Chicago look like a more desirable destination to potential teammates, yeah. The FO could certainly do things to help shed the conservative label, that doesn't mean that Rose bashing them is a good idea and he should get a free pass.

[MAQ]

The only huge negative is if Rose really didn't play. And I won't crucify him for what his brother said until that happens.

Pretty much where I'm at as well. Rose admitted tonight that the knee was healed. I took that to mean he knows he's coming back, but just in case he wasn't going that far with the comment, I see it as a reason to be pissed if he didn't play this season. He's healthy, and being paid. He had to get on the court for a multitude of reasons this season, and now you can add team morale and his own personal reputation to that list.

[WinCity]

I read it as if a current player wants to get help, he's not helping the cause by going out and reinforcing the negative stereotypes of his franchise. Do you disagree with that?

Why can't the Bulls FO fight that negative stereotype through its own actions?

Instead, it's supposed to be up to Rose to keep his mouth shut even if he thinks those stereotypes are true?

Not only is that bullsh*t, but it also serves to enable the FO in continuing down its same old path. And the point of Reggie's statement is to light a fire under the FO's ass so that they change their course.

If he's interested in making Chicago look like a more desirable destination to potential teammates, yeah. The FO could certainly do things to help shed the conservative label, that doesn't mean that Rose bashing them is a good idea and he should get a free pass.

I disagree. If JR's philosophy is holding back the team from doing as much as it could ignoring it is not going to solve the problem . I have to assume that Rose's camp took this up with the FO privately and only went public after seeing inaction. Its not up to Rose to protect JRs cheap/small market philosophy. There is a natural tension between players who want winning above all, and owners who want profits.