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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#781 » by ChiCitySPORTS#1 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:40 am

FrontOfficeEye wrote:Congrats, guys. I really like the pick for y’all.

Looks like my source in the front office was true. Cool. (Don’t forget it was me who told y’all.)

Looking forward to seeing how you guys develop! I’ll be sure to post my pre-college scouting reports for this upcoming season as I finish them.

Thanks for sharing but WCJ/Hutchinson have been on most mocks for weeks lol. Almost kinda sad how obvious the Bulls are at times.
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Re: RE: Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#782 » by Mbrahv0528 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:45 am

ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:
FrontOfficeEye wrote:Congrats, guys. I really like the pick for y’all.

Looks like my source in the front office was true. Cool. (Don’t forget it was me who told y’all.)

Looking forward to seeing how you guys develop! I’ll be sure to post my pre-college scouting reports for this upcoming season as I finish them.

Thanks for sharing but WCJ/Hutchinson have been on most mocks for weeks lol. Almost kinda sad how obvious the Bulls are at times.
Yeah, totally so sad man.

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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#783 » by GuardianEnzo » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:45 am

McBulls wrote:I don’t follow college basketball, but whatever else, you can figure Carter is smarter that most other NBA players. That’s got to be good for something. Maybe even more than lateral quickness.



Elton Brand was pretty smart, too. That’s who I see in Carter more than anybody - both the good and the bad.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#784 » by TheSuzerain » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:47 am

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TheSuzerain wrote:I predict Wendell Carter becomes a fringe top 10 center in the league.

I also think the 10th best center is probably worth less than the 20th best wing or the 15th best PG.


If, in 3-4 years, Carter can be a 35-38% 3 pt shooter, average maybe 15 a game, get 10 rebs, block 2 shots, get 3 assists, and play solid team defense- none of which seems that unrealistic given his versatile skill set, I would put him only behind a select few centers in the league:

AD
Embiid
KAT
Boogie

and possibly Ayton and/or JJJ and/or Bamba.

I'm probably forgetting somebody.

That’s very optimistic. You’re basically saying he’ll be one of the best shot blockers in the league.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#785 » by Axolotl » Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:15 am

In an interview Carter said he is working on his lateral quickness now, which is good to hear. His biggest shortcoming seems to be defending the perimeter, so he is essentially working out of his shortcoming.

I'd say his troubles with defending the perimeter are stemming from poor foot technique, and not from simply being slow-footed. Defence all in all is what he needs to develop the most.

I like Wendell Carter more than I did yesterday. He seems to have a very good offensive tools, and offence nowadays trumps defence. He is also an able passer, better than I previously gave him credit for, and his bbiq looks to be good.

We may have gotten a better player at #7 than you normally do. Again.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#786 » by tunit213 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:26 am

Question for those college geeks :D. What is Bagley better than WCJ in? Is he just more athletic and maybe is a better ballhandler?

Because it sounds like WCJ has the better offensive repertoire, is the better defender, better shot blocker, better rebounder, better passer, better shooter, is stronger, has a more nba ready body, and has a higher iq?
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#787 » by SensiBull » Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:51 am

GuardianEnzo wrote:
McBulls wrote:I don’t follow college basketball, but whatever else, you can figure Carter is smarter that most other NBA players. That’s got to be good for something. Maybe even more than lateral quickness.



Elton Brand was pretty smart, too. That’s who I see in Carter more than anybody - both the good and the bad.


I think, if Elton Brand had been drafted to a team that already had a Lauri Markkanen, we wouldn't hold Elton Brand in such low esteem.

A. Brand took almost no 3pt shots his entire career, and WCJ comes in advertised as a talented shooter for a big.
B. Brand's best season 2005-2006, with the Clippers, still under Donald Sterling, featured Vladimir Radmanovic for half of the season, who shot 41% from 3 on an average of 8 attempts per game.

In that season Elton Brand averaged 25pts/10reb/2blks, and played 79 games of an 82-game season, at an average of 39mpg.

That Clippers team finished the regular season 2nd in the Pacific Division at 47-35, behind Steve Nash, Shawn Marion and Amare Stoudamire's Phoenix Suns.

It made the playoffs and beat a Denver Nuggets team featuring Carmelo Anthony, Marcus Camby and Kenyon Martin 4 games to 1.

It then lost to Phoenix in the 2nd round in a 7-game series.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#788 » by TankWilson » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:58 am

TheSuzerain wrote:
Dresden wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:I predict Wendell Carter becomes a fringe top 10 center in the league.

I also think the 10th best center is probably worth less than the 20th best wing or the 15th best PG.


If, in 3-4 years, Carter can be a 35-38% 3 pt shooter, average maybe 15 a game, get 10 rebs, block 2 shots, get 3 assists, and play solid team defense- none of which seems that unrealistic given his versatile skill set, I would put him only behind a select few centers in the league:

AD
Embiid
KAT
Boogie

and possibly Ayton and/or JJJ and/or Bamba.

I'm probably forgetting somebody.

That’s very optimistic. You’re basically saying he’ll be one of the best shot blockers in the league.


He has a 7'5 wingspan and has better ups than people think. He can easily average 2 blocks a game!
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#789 » by TankWilson » Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:00 am

tunit213 wrote:Question for those college geeks :D. What is Bagley better than WCJ in? Is he just more athletic and maybe is a better ballhandler?

Because it sounds like WCJ has the better offensive repertoire, is the better defender, better shot blocker, better rebounder, better passer, better shooter, is stronger, has a more nba ready body, and has a higher iq?


Ha I love carter but he is NOT a better rebounder than bagley.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#790 » by RedBulls23 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:40 am

TankWilson wrote:
tunit213 wrote:Question for those college geeks :D. What is Bagley better than WCJ in? Is he just more athletic and maybe is a better ballhandler?

Because it sounds like WCJ has the better offensive repertoire, is the better defender, better shot blocker, better rebounder, better passer, better shooter, is stronger, has a more nba ready body, and has a higher iq?


Ha I love carter but he is NOT a better rebounder than bagley.

Carter did have the slightly better total rebounding percentage last year.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#791 » by SensiBull » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:27 am

I've never heard of a 'rebounding percentage' before today.

- Bagley averaged 11 rebounds over 34 minutes of play.
- Carter averaged 9 rebounds over 27 minutes of play.

That's about a rebound every 3 minutes of regulation for both players. At best its a wash and shouldn't be discussed as a point of difference between the two.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#792 » by t-time » Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:33 am

Bagley gets a whole heap of offensive rebounds off of his own misses.. he has a great second, third jump which has been mentioned quite a bit.

Whenever I watched Duke, I felt like WCJ was quietly playing great while all the hype and attention was on Bagley.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#793 » by TheChad708 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:41 am

I remember the Bulls swinging for the fences with Tyrus Thomas over LMA, sometimes the safer pick is better.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#794 » by 3noD » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:36 am

Here’s a comparison for you: WCJ is a taller, better defensive version of Paul Milsap. Both are bigs who have great footwork, good post game, some handles and can shoot it from the outside. WCJ seems like the better rebounder and has a longer wingspan.


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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#795 » by Ralphb07 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:44 am

Axolotl wrote:In an interview Carter said he is working on his lateral quickness now, which is good to hear. His biggest shortcoming seems to be defending the perimeter, so he is essentially working out of his shortcoming.

I'd say his troubles with defending the perimeter are stemming from poor foot technique, and not from simply being slow-footed. Defence all in all is what he needs to develop the most.

I like Wendell Carter more than I did yesterday. He seems to have a very good offensive tools, and offence nowadays trumps defence. He is also an able passer, better than I previously gave him credit for, and his bbiq looks to be good.

We may have gotten a better player at #7 than you normally do. Again.


Seth Greenburg said most times the guys aren't taught the proper way and he felt Carter could be coached up and learn. He didn't seem to think it was a concern.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#796 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:23 pm

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FrontOfficeEye wrote:Congrats, guys. I really like the pick for y’all.

Looks like my source in the front office was true. Cool. (Don’t forget it was me who told y’all.)

Looking forward to seeing how you guys develop! I’ll be sure to post my pre-college scouting reports for this upcoming season as I finish them.


Thoughts on Hutchison at 22?


I like it. It’s safer, but there’s nobody else who the Bulls should have picked at 22 IMO.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#797 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:26 pm

ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:
FrontOfficeEye wrote:Congrats, guys. I really like the pick for y’all.

Looks like my source in the front office was true. Cool. (Don’t forget it was me who told y’all.)

Looking forward to seeing how you guys develop! I’ll be sure to post my pre-college scouting reports for this upcoming season as I finish them.

Thanks for sharing but WCJ/Hutchinson have been on most mocks for weeks lol. Almost kinda sad how obvious the Bulls are at times.


Pretty sure I posted it here on 5/3...so it wasn’t recent.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#798 » by Dresden » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:51 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
Dresden wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:I predict Wendell Carter becomes a fringe top 10 center in the league.

I also think the 10th best center is probably worth less than the 20th best wing or the 15th best PG.


If, in 3-4 years, Carter can be a 35-38% 3 pt shooter, average maybe 15 a game, get 10 rebs, block 2 shots, get 3 assists, and play solid team defense- none of which seems that unrealistic given his versatile skill set, I would put him only behind a select few centers in the league:

AD
Embiid
KAT
Boogie

and possibly Ayton and/or JJJ and/or Bamba.

I'm probably forgetting somebody.

That’s very optimistic. You’re basically saying he’ll be one of the best shot blockers in the league.


You can nit pick this number or that number, but across the board those seem like reasonable goals for him. And if he does that, he will be a very good player, much better, I think, that the 20th best wing in the league, who right now would be someone like Andrew Wiggins or Harrison Barnes or Otto Porter.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#799 » by Grodoboldo » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:53 pm

FrontOfficeEye wrote:
ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:
FrontOfficeEye wrote:Congrats, guys. I really like the pick for y’all.

Looks like my source in the front office was true. Cool. (Don’t forget it was me who told y’all.)

Looking forward to seeing how you guys develop! I’ll be sure to post my pre-college scouting reports for this upcoming season as I finish them.

Thanks for sharing but WCJ/Hutchinson have been on most mocks for weeks lol. Almost kinda sad how obvious the Bulls are at times.


Pretty sure I posted it here on 5/3...so it wasn’t recent.


Thanks for sharing, man! Looking forward to your prospect analysis for the 2019 draft. Don't be a stranger around here!
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Re: RE: Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#800 » by Stratmaster » Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:33 pm

MBPKOGZ wrote:So the Bulls sit on their hands and ultimately select a player that is projected not to have the lateral quickness to guard off switches, which ultimately makes him at best a defensive liability in crunch time and at worst a non starting role player, sound familiar (Portis, Valentine, McDermott). The Bulls really have a problem with selecting 2 ways players, it's pathetic that we lost Jimmy Butler and tanked a whole year for Wendell Carter Jr... I mean my God. At least select Bridges, he has the same floor and a much higher ceiling.
Oh ffs. If the only issue with a guy his size is lateral quickness you just got a stud. If you want to complain that he doesn't have a high enough ceiling so be it; but there is no angst in this pick. It is the most solid pick available.

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