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2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick ??? 

Post#81 » by PaKii94 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:25 pm

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PaKii94 wrote:Ideally yeah it should just be who the FO thinks is the best player available. However, the higher we are, it's just human nature to take the "safer" pick due to optics. If ball busts at #1, noone will bat an eye. If vassell busts at #1, fans will be demanding AK's head


Yeah, Vassell would really be tough to sell to the fans that high. But as high as 3 maybe? Why not? I sure wouldn't love it (even as a pretty big Vassell fan), but a lot seems possible in this class. A potentially elite team defender who can already shoot looks pretty damn good in this class.


But see that's what I mean. If everything was perfect I'd just choose the one I like the most (vassell) but the politic side of things need to be taken into consideration. That's why staying at a lower pick could be a blessing in disguise (I wish that wasn't the case)
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Post#82 » by Andi Obst » Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:31 pm

MrSparkle wrote:Poku is pretty interesting, though admittedly a tooth pick and perhaps unfit for the NBA. But his agility and point-skills at 7-ft are unique to this draft.


I think his movement shooting and passing in relation to his size and age is just something that is very hard to pass up in this draft. Poku is damn near 4 (!!!) years younger than Obi Toppin, for example. He has time to slowly work on his body. And I think with the skills he already shows his floor is higher than many people think. He's also extremely confident, which is super important to me. Many young international guys don't have that and get kind of lost in the NBA because of it.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick ??? 

Post#83 » by Andi Obst » Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:35 pm

PaKii94 wrote:But see that's what I mean. If everything was perfect I'd just choose the one I like the most (vassell) but the politic side of things need to be taken into consideration. That's why staying at a lower pick could be a blessing in disguise (I wish that wasn't the case)


If you like Vassell that much I get what you mean. It's extremely hard for me to imagine a scenario where he becomes the best player out of this draft class.
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Post#84 » by ChiSox » Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:45 pm

Jvaughn wrote:Now, this wasn't based on any actual rumors, but Bleacher Report just posted their trade ideas for every lottery team. One of the ideas they raised if Phoenix got the top pick was for them to trade us the pick plus Ty Jerome and Frank Kaminsky for Lauri and our first round pick. I'm not even sure Phoneix would do that, but I'd jump on that deal.


Lauri, may be better than everyone in this draft. I would like to give him a chance to get with a coach who can put him in a situation to be successful.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick ??? 

Post#85 » by PaKii94 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:09 pm

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PaKii94 wrote:But see that's what I mean. If everything was perfect I'd just choose the one I like the most (vassell) but the politic side of things need to be taken into consideration. That's why staying at a lower pick could be a blessing in disguise (I wish that wasn't the case)


If you like Vassell that much I get what you mean. It's extremely hard for me to imagine a scenario where he becomes the best player out of this draft class.


For me it's less of what he has and more of the glaring flaws of the other prospects. The tools vassell has will translate to a strong winning player if he puts in the work (and it seems like he is a worker). Maybe not a star but a valuable tertiary piece. I don't see him busting. The other top prospects there are no guarantees and all have decent bust potential.

The other guy who I think will translate is Wiseman but big men are valued less than two way wings unless they are generational talent (wiseman's not)
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick ??? 

Post#86 » by Jvaughn » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:25 pm

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Jvaughn wrote:Now, this wasn't based on any actual rumors, but Bleacher Report just posted their trade ideas for every lottery team. One of the ideas they raised if Phoenix got the top pick was for them to trade us the pick plus Ty Jerome and Frank Kaminsky for Lauri and our first round pick. I'm not even sure Phoneix would do that, but I'd jump on that deal.


Lauri, may be better than everyone in this draft. I would like to give him a chance to get with a coach who can put him in a situation to be successful.


He may be, but at the four spot, with the way the game is changing, I'd much rather have an athletic switchable defender who can guard on the perimeter as well as the paint.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick ??? 

Post#87 » by 2018C3 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:16 pm

Yesterday I ran this simulator several times, and wrote down my results.

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

I got in order:

Pick 8
Pick 8
Pick 9
Pick 8
Pick 7
Pick 7
Pick 7

I then stopped not wanting to push my luck, (I know my little experiment does not have any effect on what really happens). But, I'm hopping the next result I see tomorrow may be better than my own test.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick ??? 

Post#88 » by MrSparkle » Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:57 pm

2018C3 wrote:Yesterday I ran this simulator several times, and wrote down my results.

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

I got in order:

Pick 8
Pick 8
Pick 9
Pick 8
Pick 7
Pick 7
Pick 7

I then stopped not wanting to push my luck, (I know my little experiment does not have any effect on what really happens). But, I'm hopping the next result I see tomorrow may be better than my own test.


Atleast it wasn't #10. I got #10 on one try. :lol:
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Post#89 » by Jeffster81 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:07 pm

2018C3 wrote:Yesterday I ran this simulator several times, and wrote down my results.

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

I got in order:

Pick 8
Pick 8
Pick 9
Pick 8
Pick 7
Pick 7
Pick 7


I did 10, and mine were:

Pick 7
Pick 8
Pick 4
Pick 8
Pick 9
Pick 9
Pick 9
Pick 3
Pick 9
Pick 2

I did not get the '#1 pick until the 25th turn. Suffice to say, my hope for a high draft pick is non-existent.
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Post#90 » by Chewie » Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:15 pm

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick ??? 

Post#91 » by Chewie » Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:18 pm

Chewie wrote:
2018C3 wrote:Yesterday I ran this simulator several times, and wrote down my results.

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

I got in order:

Pick 8
Pick 8
Pick 9
Pick 8
Pick 7
Pick 7
Pick 7

I then stopped not wanting to push my luck, (I know my little experiment does not have any effect on what really happens). But, I'm hopping the next result I see tomorrow may be better than my own test.


Head up.....I got 9, 8 , 8, 7, 1, 8, 2, 1, 8. There is hope.

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Post#93 » by StunnerKO » Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:37 pm

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Post#94 » by GimmeDat » Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:46 pm

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GimmeDat wrote:I'm speaking on the spur of the moment here, but I think Poku might be worth considering at 7...


As much as I think he has the highest ceiling, no at 7. He is not going to picked in this range, so its better to buy him cheap which is why AK has been one of the greatest value drafters getting studs in teens or even 40s.
The Bulls really need to get rid of scrubs which is like one third of the roster and replace them with these potential players.

Wouldnt mind dealing no-long term core players in WCJ, Hutch and draft like 5 players that can be starters.
Yeah its terrible to develop that many players at once with Lavine still figuring out, but its better than having a rotten core.


It's easy to say he won't get drafted in that range, but you don't know that. Do the Bulls know? They might have a greater understanding of what teams are thinking, but ultimately I'm sure they don't know where he'll be going either. Obviously if you're willing to take the risk to trade down (and you have a willing trade partner) and still have him on the board, then cool, but ultimately, if you're at 7 and you think he's the best prospect on the board, there's no reason not to take him.

When I first looked at Poku earlier in the year, I thought he was a unique, intriguing project player but had a scary floor. The more I've gone back recently, the more I think he's worth the punt (if at 7 or so). We're a rebuilding team, we need to shoot for upside - in terms of upside he's probably top 3 in this draft. His movement and skill-set at his size is absolutely incredible. I believe his shot has a good chance to develop, and his frame will fill out.

It's worth remembering that most of the players we talk about on here will be gone - Ball, Hayes, Ajdiva, Edwards, Okongwu, Wiseman is one example of how the top 6 could play out. So (again, in this eg.) you're picking from Vassell, Okoro, Hali, Toppin, Maxey or someone like Poku. I think Poku is pretty reasonable in that conversation.
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Post#95 » by GimmeDat » Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:49 pm

I totally forget we have a 2nd round pick in this draft, I've very rarely seen it been spoken on.

Grant Riller, Killian Tillie, Robert Woodard, Abdoulaye N'doye, Nate Hinton some of the names I like in that range.
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Post#96 » by Grodoboldo » Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:00 am

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Despite our front court logjam, I really like him as a 2nd round pick. But I saw some mocks with him going in the late 20s, so I doubt hell be there at our pick.
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Post#97 » by Red8911 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:08 am

Anyone know anything about the Serbian Aleksej Pokusevski ??? Hes a 7 footer that plays for Olympiacos in Greece, hasn’t really played much for them though but I know AK used to play for Olympiacos himself so I’m guessing he’s definitely looking at him.
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Post#98 » by othawhitemeat » Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:44 am

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I like Oturo a lot. Most likely a mid to late 1st.
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Post#99 » by dougthonus » Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:50 am

Jvaughn wrote:Now, this wasn't based on any actual rumors, but Bleacher Report just posted their trade ideas for every lottery team. One of the ideas they raised if Phoenix got the top pick was for them to trade us the pick plus Ty Jerome and Frank Kaminsky for Lauri and our first round pick. I'm not even sure Phoneix would do that, but I'd jump on that deal.


I'd do it too, however, it's a weird scenario given that the Phoenix has a 14% chance of moving up 1-4 and the Bulls have about a 33% chance of moving up. Granted, anything can happen, but its kind of a fringe thing to think about.

I figure Lauri's worth a mid to late 1st rounder. If you were to say would you trade the #20 + #7 pick for a top 4 pick? You'd probably do that almost any year.
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Post#100 » by pduh01 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:33 am

As of right now and of course things could change my top ten draft board are…

1. Anthony Edwards
2. James Wiseman
3. Killian Hayes
4. LaMelo Ball
5. Tyrese Haliburton
6. Deni Avdija
7. Aaron Nesmith
8. Onyeka Okongwu
9. Theo Maledon
10. Precious Achiuwa
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