2025 Draft prospects - thread 2

[sco]

I wouldn't draft Wolf at 12, but he's better than those two. Harangody was 6'6 without shoes as a big, and Wolf is way more productive than Ellenson was coming out.

Wolf has a higher bpm than Ellenson. Got to the rim more and shot a better percentage there, shot more 3s with a better percentage, more dunks, better AST% with a better assist to turnover ratio, etc. They have completely different shot profiles as well. Ellenson lived in the midrange area with over 200 shot attempts. Wolf is older, but he's bringing more to the table here.

IMO, many look at Wolf as an elite playmaking C with 3 range because he's billed as a 7 footer. First off, he's 6'10, same as Matas. Second, he's a PF, not a C. He doesn't have much of a back-to-the-basket game, nor offer much rim protection. He is very good off the dribble and a very good passer. He is a decent 3pt shooter. In many ways, his offensive game is similar to what we saw from Matas last season, without the defensive chops. Also, he's an older prospect.

As a UofM fan, I wouldn't hate drafting him if we traded for a late-teens, early 20's pick, but at 12, I think there are guys who have more upside and are better fits.

[othawhitemeat]

I wouldn't draft Wolf at 12, but he's better than those two. Harangody was 6'6 without shoes as a big, and Wolf is way more productive than Ellenson was coming out.

Wolf has a higher bpm than Ellenson. Got to the rim more and shot a better percentage there, shot more 3s with a better percentage, more dunks, better AST% with a better assist to turnover ratio, etc. They have completely different shot profiles as well. Ellenson lived in the midrange area with over 200 shot attempts. Wolf is older, but he's bringing more to the table here.

IMO, many look at Wolf as an elite playmaking C with 3 range because he's billed as a 7 footer. First off, he's 6'10, same as Matas. Second, he's a PF, not a C. He doesn't have much of a back-to-the-basket game, nor offer much rim protection. He is very good off the dribble and a very good passer. He is a decent 3pt shooter. In many ways, his offensive game is similar to what we saw from Matas last season, without the defensive chops. Also, he's an older prospect.

As a UofM fan, I wouldn't hate drafting him if we traded for a late-teens, early 20's pick, but at 12, I think there are guys who have more upside and are better fits.

From being a Big 10 fan, I feel Wolf has some skills but came off really soft. I'm an Illini fan and watched Boswell at 6'2 take him out of the game literally. I watched some other games and saw other smaller guards take him out. I just worry about his footspeed. I think at pick 12 or anyone before pick 20 and Wolf is sawwwwft.

[kodo]

Without shoes.

Ace Bailey: 6' 7"
Jase Richardson: 6' 0"

[LateNight]

If he’s available, I’d have a hard time not picking Carter Bryant

[MrSparkle]

Without shoes.

Ace Bailey: 6' 7"
Jase Richardson: 6' 0"

Let the draft tumbles begin!

[Ice Man]

Without shoes.

Ace Bailey: 6' 7"
Jase Richardson: 6' 0"

Technically, Ace was measured at 6' 7 1/2, as opposed to his listed 6' 10" height. There's usually 1 to 1.5 inch difference between the two figures, so Ace's gap is unusually large.

[burlydee]

I wouldn't draft Wolf at 12, but he's better than those two. Harangody was 6'6 without shoes as a big, and Wolf is way more productive than Ellenson was coming out.

Wolf has a higher bpm than Ellenson. Got to the rim more and shot a better percentage there, shot more 3s with a better percentage, more dunks, better AST% with a better assist to turnover ratio, etc. They have completely different shot profiles as well. Ellenson lived in the midrange area with over 200 shot attempts. Wolf is older, but he's bringing more to the table here.

IMO, many look at Wolf as an elite playmaking C with 3 range because he's billed as a 7 footer. First off, he's 6'10, same as Matas. Second, he's a PF, not a C. He doesn't have much of a back-to-the-basket game, nor offer much rim protection. He is very good off the dribble and a very good passer. He is a decent 3pt shooter. In many ways, his offensive game is similar to what we saw from Matas last season, without the defensive chops. Also, he's an older prospect.

As a UofM fan, I wouldn't hate drafting him if we traded for a late-teens, early 20's pick, but at 12, I think there are guys who have more upside and are better fits.

Wolf is actually 2 inches taller without shoes and more importantly he's 60 lbs heavier. He has a lot of unique skills for a big, but the athleticism is some questions. If you're looking for a guy to possibly outplay his draft position i think he's a candidate. Defense will be a major key. Can he hold up at all on that end.

[Jvaughn]

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So....umm......he's probably off of my list. My hope was his shooting would get better. Still could, but this ain't promising.

I don't see the problem, Peter Patton can fix...oh, never mind, pass.

And... there it is!

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Now that my lottery dream is dead, my draft day dream is that Knueppel’s measurables and unavailability for testing cause him to slide to 12.

[Ice Man]

Now that my lottery dream is dead, my draft day dream is that Knueppel’s measurables and unavailability for testing cause him to slide to 12.

If the man can make 3s in playoff games, he will be damn useful despite the concerns about his defense. Denver is down 2-3 in part because Russ & Braun are 13-56 on 3s and the Cavs have been hurt by Strus & Jerome going 18-57. Podziesmki has been even worse for the Warriors.

A big if, of course.

[sco]

Now that my lottery dream is dead, my draft day dream is that Knueppel’s measurables and unavailability for testing cause him to slide to 12.

If the man can make 3s in playoff games, he will be damn useful despite the concerns about his defense. Denver is down 2-3 in part because Russ & Braun are 13-56 on 3s and the Cavs have been hurt by Strus & Jerome going 18-57. Podziesmki has been even worse for the Warriors.

A big if, of course.

Warriors should have sold high on Podz.

[Guru]

Collin Dalen Terry-Boyles.

That jumper makes Dalen’s look good.

This is silly. His stroke is fine. He will be fine.

Well, I do still think he’s a fine prospect at 12 and this doesn’t scare me off. But that strike is not fine. It’s crappy both in fundamentals and in natural fluidity.

I think almost anyone talented enough to reach the NBA can become passable three point shooter. I’m not suggesting he can’t. But there are numerous problems with this 3 ball.

Ive watched him a ton, this just isn't accurate

[MrSparkle]

Now that my lottery dream is dead, my draft day dream is that Knueppel’s measurables and unavailability for testing cause him to slide to 12.

If the man can make 3s in playoff games, he will be damn useful despite the concerns about his defense. Denver is down 2-3 in part because Russ & Braun are 13-56 on 3s and the Cavs have been hurt by Strus & Jerome going 18-57. Podziesmki has been even worse for the Warriors.

A big if, of course.

Warriors should have sold high on Podz.

Should've sold high on everybody besides Curry! Pod's wall is disappointing. I thought he'd be better.

I was sure they had a Spurs/Kawhi/2.0 run in them, but the way Wiseman, Kuminga and Moody turned out... Well, it saved the NBA from another dynasty. 0/3 is hard lotto luck for a fairly competent organization (fair to say after 6 finals appearance and 4 rings in 1 decade -- in before someone calls them a terrible org. ) The crazy thing is they did win a 2nd generation ring, stayed relevant, but it was because of Wiggins and a 28th pick (Poole). The unexpected twists of the NBA keep coming.

The lesson to learn from the Warriors though, is to never stand pat, never overpay in a trade, and never give up on your decidedly most important players and coaches. Considering they had the 2 worst injuries in basketball happen to 2 of their 3 best players in a finals series, lost a lot of key players to age/declines/retirement, but still put out a contender this year and managed that Butler trade... it's a testament to strong asset management and patience. Bulls would've axed that team after 2016, claiming it'd be too expensive to keep everyone together!

[kodo]

Now that my lottery dream is dead, my draft day dream is that Knueppel’s measurables and unavailability for testing cause him to slide to 12.

If the man can make 3s in playoff games, he will be damn useful despite the concerns about his defense. Denver is down 2-3 in part because Russ & Braun are 13-56 on 3s and the Cavs have been hurt by Strus & Jerome going 18-57. Podziesmki has been even worse for the Warriors.

A big if, of course.

Yep in the playoffs standstill shooters are dying. You need movement shooters, the guys who draw a defender running by them, dribble side step and still hit their 3s. Or can just straight up hit a contested 3. Braun was 40% in the reg season and 28% in the playoffs.

Knueppel scores a ton off movement, I'd love him but he's not supposed to go this low. He is the kind of guy that drops though, like Knecht last year.

[dawhizz]

If he’s available, I’d have a hard time not picking Carter Bryant

I’m afraid with my Patrick Williams PTSD I could not psychologically handle this pick.

[sco]

If he’s available, I’d have a hard time not picking Carter Bryant

I’m afraid with my Patrick Williams PTSD I could not psychologically handle this pick.

Think of it as a make-up pick

[Chi town]

Now that my lottery dream is dead, my draft day dream is that Knueppel’s measurables and unavailability for testing cause him to slide to 12.

If the man can make 3s in playoff games, he will be damn useful despite the concerns about his defense. Denver is down 2-3 in part because Russ & Braun are 13-56 on 3s and the Cavs have been hurt by Strus & Jerome going 18-57. Podziesmki has been even worse for the Warriors.

A big if, of course.

Yep in the playoffs standstill shooters are dying. You need movement shooters, the guys who draw a defender running by them, dribble side step and still hit their 3s. Or can just straight up hit a contested 3. Braun was 40% in the reg season and 28% in the playoffs.

Knueppel scores a ton off movement, I'd love him but he's not supposed to go this low. He is the kind of guy that drops though, like Knecht last year.

This. MOVEMENT SHOOTERS are a must in the playoffs. That’s why I think Huerter will have some value.

[Chi town]

If he’s available, I’d have a hard time not picking Carter Bryant

I’m afraid with my Patrick Williams PTSD I could not psychologically handle this pick.

Think of it as a make-up pick

Bryant is what we hoped Pat would be. Kid has a big personality life of the party type. He has a motor that Pat never had.

I’d still take Now over him

[Jcool0]

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