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KingCuban wrote:How dare your son rip away the bull that surrounds this issue and hit the core of it so easily, whilst us adults mildly argue semantics.
coldfish wrote:
MJ's image was that he was a hyper-competitive dick. Calling out his teammates was actually in character for MJ.
I don't think people can separate this. I'm not saying what Reggie said was factually incorrect. What I'm saying is that Reggie's words were very poorly chosen and bad timing. Unprofessional, childish and unproductive.
Again, look at your MJ examples. MJ didn't have his brother complain publicly. He bitched out teammates right to their faces and I believe he had multiple very angry confrontations with both Krause and Jerry. If that is what Rose wants, go for it.
SpinninHouse wrote:What is Reggie suggesting we should have done? Dwight wasn't willing to come here. Which star was available? Maybe we could have swapped Noah for Harden. OKC wasn't taking anybody else on our team for him. That wouldn't have put us over the top. Our front court wold be a joke.
What options did we have? True, the Hinrich signing was horrible. But we weren't signing anybody for $3M that would put us over the top.
Yes, we need to make a move. But making a dumb trade like Cleveland did to please Lebron or Orlando to please Dwight would have catastrophic long term consequences.
BIGGIEsmalls 23 wrote:I'm not sure that I'm correctly interpreting you first post & I want to be fair in my response. The underlined portion is why I quoted you & why I showed the players that are surrounding the (possible) two superstars that you mentioned. I now see that Lebron & KD are the players that you were talking about in your first post.
From the list that you provided & your second post, it seems that we are on the same page. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we are both saying that D-Rose needs a legit #2 alongside of him, like all of those mentioned title-winning superstars had. If he doesn't get one, he won't win a title in Chicago.
It's also the same thing that Reggie Rose is saying.
BullsGate wrote:dice wrote:reggie should tell his bro to take a pay cut. then he can talk
besides, if the bulls were winning much more this year they wouldn't even NEED derrick to return
Why don't you take a pay cut?
GetBuLLish wrote:coldfish wrote:
MJ's image was that he was a hyper-competitive dick. Calling out his teammates was actually in character for MJ.
I don't think people can separate this. I'm not saying what Reggie said was factually incorrect. What I'm saying is that Reggie's words were very poorly chosen and bad timing. Unprofessional, childish and unproductive.
Again, look at your MJ examples. MJ didn't have his brother complain publicly. He bitched out teammates right to their faces and I believe he had multiple very angry confrontations with both Krause and Jerry. If that is what Rose wants, go for it.
Your complaints, then, seem far less severe than how you are portraying them. If all you're mad about was the method of the message delivery, your anger seems very out of proportion.
If the message is important, then what matters most was that it was sent.
coldfish wrote:BIGGIEsmalls 23 wrote:I'm not sure that I'm correctly interpreting you first post & I want to be fair in my response. The underlined portion is why I quoted you & why I showed the players that are surrounding the (possible) two superstars that you mentioned. I now see that Lebron & KD are the players that you were talking about in your first post.
From the list that you provided & your second post, it seems that we are on the same page. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we are both saying that D-Rose needs a legit #2 alongside of him, like all of those mentioned title-winning superstars had. If he doesn't get one, he won't win a title in Chicago.
It's also the same thing that Reggie Rose is saying.
No, what I am saying is that Rose needs a legit #1 beside him if you want to win the superstar way. Rose is the Pippen to Jordan or Wade to Lebron or Kobe to Shaq. Outside of that, you need to have a ton of talent like Detroit or Boston and even then you are probably one and done.
So, yes, Rose needs more talent around him and behind the scenes its fine for Reggie to say that. To say it publicly AFTER the Bulls paid the luxury tax and when they can't do anything is idiotic. To then threaten to sit out, call out management and trash teammates publicly is beyond (Please Use More Appropriate Word).
You are treating Reggie Rose like a poster. If he was, I wouldn't bash him. He is the professional representative of Derrick Rose giving quotes to the main stream press. Under that capacity, he is a FOOL.
Scottie Pippen's response to whom he would pick for his running mate, Michael or LeBron: "That's a dumbass question. I've never done anything with LeBron. I wouldn't take LeBron to the movies."
BIGGIEsmalls 23 wrote:I'm not sure that I'm correctly interpreting you first post & I want to be fair in my response. The underlined portion is why I quoted you & why I showed the players that are surrounding the (possible) two superstars that you mentioned. I now see that Lebron & KD are the players that you were talking about in your first post.
From the list that you provided & your second post, it seems that we are on the same page. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we are both saying that D-Rose needs a legit #2 alongside of him, like all of those mentioned title-winning superstars had. If he doesn't get one, he won't win a title in Chicago.
It's also the same thing that Reggie Rose is saying.
GetBuLLish wrote:DuckIII wrote:You keep calling everyone who disagrees with your opinions a joke.
When people use this opportunity to bring up Rose's SATs (like you have) or say that "This is Dwight territory if not worse (Dwight was always PC in public) and Rose would have done less damage by raping someone like Kobe did" (like ColdFish did), then I will call those opinions jokes.
Irrational overreactions are jokes to me.
Bullflip wrote:
Would have traded Noah for Harden, then kept Asik.
babblin-on wrote:BIGGIEsmalls 23 wrote:I'm not sure that I'm correctly interpreting you first post & I want to be fair in my response. The underlined portion is why I quoted you & why I showed the players that are surrounding the (possible) two superstars that you mentioned. I now see that Lebron & KD are the players that you were talking about in your first post.
From the list that you provided & your second post, it seems that we are on the same page. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we are both saying that D-Rose needs a legit #2 alongside of him, like all of those mentioned title-winning superstars had. If he doesn't get one, he won't win a title in Chicago.
It's also the same thing that Reggie Rose is saying.
Nope, you're not on the same page; coldfish has insisted time and again that if Rose needs a true #2 then he isn't a true superstar, because real superstars, like Lebron, don't need a true #2 to to win a title.
Scottie Pippen's response to whom he would pick for his running mate, Michael or LeBron: "That's a dumbass question. I've never done anything with LeBron. I wouldn't take LeBron to the movies."
KingCuban wrote:Bullflip wrote:
Would have traded Noah for Harden, then kept Asik.
So we can be Houston 2.0?
Bowl_O_Bulls wrote:This thread is like crack to me..
pb-ceo wrote:derrick you would have had a championship in 2011 if only you had played like one in the playoffs.
pb-ceo wrote:John Paxson just twiittered: Hey Derrick, learn to shoot the ball like Kyrie Irving and then we'll talk okay?
coldfish wrote:I have lived through the disappointments of 2000, 2006 and 2010. I do think that public image matters. A lot. Yes, the Bulls need to do things to dispel their image but they need to have their star help them do it.
babblin-on wrote:Nope, you're not on the same page; coldfish has insisted time and again that if Rose needs a true #2 then he isn't a true superstar, because real superstars, like Lebron, don't need a true #2 to to win a title.
DuckIII wrote:GetBuLLish wrote:DuckIII wrote:You keep calling everyone who disagrees with your opinions a joke.
When people use this opportunity to bring up Rose's SATs (like you have) or say that "This is Dwight territory if not worse (Dwight was always PC in public) and Rose would have done less damage by raping someone like Kobe did" (like ColdFish did), then I will call those opinions jokes.
Admittedly, I've never been comfortable with Rose stealing someone's scholarship. So I'll give you that. But it illustrates the degree to which his hero worship has always been out of bounds with Bulls fans. That act was indefensible. Yet it is defended in STRONG language to this day, like you calling it a joke to even mention it in the context of an event that raises questions about Rose's selfishness. Sorry, but its a pertinent point.
Regardless, every time you've cited it, you've failed to note the additional paragraphs of that post that gave it context as to why I even mentioned it at all.Irrational overreactions are jokes to me.
Sometimes it sucks to be a moderator.
Scottie Pippen's response to whom he would pick for his running mate, Michael or LeBron: "That's a dumbass question. I've never done anything with LeBron. I wouldn't take LeBron to the movies."
DuckIII wrote:
Admittedly, I've never been comfortable with Rose stealing someone's scholarship. So I'll give you that. But it illustrates the degree to which his hero worship has always been out of bounds with Bulls fans. That act was indefensible. Yet it is defended in STRONG language to this day, like you calling it a joke to even mention it in the context of an event that raises questions about Rose's selfishness. Sorry, but its a pertinent point.
Regardless, every time you've cited it, you've failed to note the additional paragraphs of that post that gave it context as to why I even mentioned it at all.
Irrational overreactions are jokes to me.
Sometimes it sucks to be a moderator.