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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#861 » by GDRO10 » Sat Mar 3, 2018 8:06 pm

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GDRO10 wrote:I'm really starting to believe that Kevin Knox is our guy.


I don't know. I watched the Kentucky v Florida game. I was underwhelmed by Knox and almost the entire Kentucky team. Knox has good physical measurables. But there is something missing in his game, especially offensively. I don't see an NBA starter in him at this stage. If I were him I'd stay another year in college, develop a more "alpha" presence and work on his 3 point shooting. It would help him a lot more than riding an NBA bench or bussing around in the "G" league. He is nowhere near being a starting level SF in the NBA in my opinion.


Watched the game as well. He's not really agressive. The Bridges are playing better at this level but i see a higher ceiling in Knox because of his tools.
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Post#862 » by GDRO10 » Sat Mar 3, 2018 8:12 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:Watching college hoops all day makes it really hard to watch an NBA game after. The intensity, passion and excitement in this Michigan vs. Michigan St. game is great.

I can't wait until this stupid tank crap is over and done and we can watch some NBA playoff basketball. This has been the worst regular season as far as not being entertaining in my entire life of watching the NBA. Just a horrible product overall right now with the tanking state of the league. Reading the game threads is like something out of a sci-fi novel. All these teams and fans cheering for losing. Not for me.


1/3 of the league is tanking right now. This is ridiculous, it's not worth watching NBA basketball at this time of the year.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#863 » by TheSuzerain » Sat Mar 3, 2018 8:14 pm

Kevin Knox = Basketball Hell
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Post#864 » by jump » Sat Mar 3, 2018 8:16 pm

Bamba didn't play for Texas today. Injury update, anyone?
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Post#865 » by johnnyvann840 » Sat Mar 3, 2018 8:24 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:Kevin Knox = Basketball Hell


Kid is so raw and shows very little instinct. Project with a capital P. It feels like he's even younger than he is. Like watching a 15 year old kid. I wouldn't take him with a top ten pick right now.
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Post#866 » by DanTown8587 » Sat Mar 3, 2018 8:29 pm

Tough half for me evaluating the Michigan State guys because every question I have about them was really answered poorly

- Bridges seems too perimeter happy for a guy guarded by a PG at times and struggled to get anywhere with an average defender in terms of length and ability in Matthews in front of him. He's too willing to just power dribble and settle for a jump shot. You have to really believe in that jump shot to play and for him to slim up even more and be more a 2/3 hybrid than 3/4. Just can't advocate what he does really well at the NBA level in terms of scoring and team offense. Not a great sign that he looked better and had better numbers playing the 4 mostly and has simply been the same at the 3, especially considering the standard Big Ten 3 man is probably a SG.

- Jaren Jackson is a LONG way from developed. Post game has little feel too it, jumper mechanics are really inconsistent, relies a ton on length to grab rebounds and finish (a problem going from big ten to NBA length) and I don't see a guy who really plays at a different speed level.

At this point, I'm starting to circle back to Porter Jr and Bagley in my three/four range and even though I don't love his motor, I can't pass on the already developed skills and size that Doncic and Ayton have for their respective ages.
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Post#867 » by bulls4ever » Sat Mar 3, 2018 8:32 pm

I couldn't wait for today as id be watching Michael Porter Jr but then ... they ruled him out :(
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Post#868 » by DanTown8587 » Sat Mar 3, 2018 8:35 pm

Knox is literally impossible to predict because if he played in a more space and pace system, he could be really good. Guys his age are no where near that developed coming off screens and playing off ball. You'd love to see the Pelicans pick end up around 12/13 and can take a flier on him there but top eight, just no way to really risk that.

This draft is such a question for me starting at three.
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Post#869 » by Chi town » Sat Mar 3, 2018 8:36 pm

DanTown8587 wrote:Tough half for me evaluating the Michigan State guys because every question I have about them was really answered poorly

- Bridges seems too perimeter happy for a guy guarded by a PG at times and struggled to get anywhere with an average defender in terms of length and ability in Matthews in front of him. He's too willing to just power dribble and settle for a jump shot. You have to really believe in that jump shot to play and for him to slim up even more and be more a 2/3 hybrid than 3/4. Just can't advocate what he does really well at the NBA level in terms of scoring and team offense. Not a great sign that he looked better and had better numbers playing the 4 mostly and has simply been the same at the 3, especially considering the standard Big Ten 3 man is probably a SG.

- Jaren Jackson is a LONG way from developed. Post game has little feel too it, jumper mechanics are really inconsistent, relies a ton on length to grab rebounds and finish (a problem going from big ten to NBA length) and I don't see a guy who really plays at a different speed level.

At this point, I'm starting to circle back to Porter Jr and Bagley in my three/four range and even though I don't love his motor, I can't pass on the already developed skills and size that Doncic and Ayton have for their respective ages.



States PG is awful. Worse than Grant at finding people. Stalls the whole offense.

Miles looks like he can’t get around anyone off the bounce. I’d assume he’d play better w bigger court better spacing absolutely ball movement.

JJJ rarely touches the ball. He’s tough and has a strong motor. Still think he’s going be a stud.

I think top 4 in draft will be Luka Ayton Bagley MPJ.

Then someone reaches for Young at 5.

JJJ Bamba go 6-7.

JJJ would be perfect Backup C to a RoLo next season. Vet mentor. He will make an impact defensively right away. Similar to Bamba.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#870 » by Chi town » Sat Mar 3, 2018 8:38 pm

DanTown8587 wrote:Knox is literally impossible to predict because if he played in a more space and pace system, he could be really good. Guys his age are no where near that developed coming off screens and playing off ball. You'd love to see the Pelicans pick end up around 12/13 and can take a flier on him there but top eight, just no way to really risk that.

This draft is such a question for me starting at three.


Exactly. Knox started playing ball in 8th grade. He looks the part but IMO he hasn’t shown any dog or fight. Literally none.

I’d take him w Pels pick but only if we go big with our pick.
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Post#871 » by Benedict Miller » Sat Mar 3, 2018 8:50 pm

If we're not careful we'll lose our top 8 pick. Having the 8th pick is much better than 9th.
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Post#872 » by bulls4ever » Sat Mar 3, 2018 8:51 pm

I hope we don't end with Robert Williams as consolation prize ...
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Post#873 » by TheSuzerain » Sat Mar 3, 2018 8:55 pm

bulls4ever wrote:I hope we don't end with Robert Williams as consolation prize ...

Yeah, pass on him and Gafford and all of that ilk.
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Post#874 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Sat Mar 3, 2018 9:05 pm

Miles Bridges has been good in the second half against Michigan, they are running the offense through him.

JJJ is nowhere to be found. Getting beaten by Wagner, another 1st rounder, albeit late. Disappointing.
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Post#875 » by Davell » Sat Mar 3, 2018 9:12 pm

Benedict Miller wrote:If we're not careful we'll lose our top 8 pick. Having the 8th pick is much better than 9th.


Eh, I'm perfectly fine with either of Wendell Carter or Mikal Bridges, if the top 7 goes the way it looks right now. So, I honestly am fine at 8 OR 9, without preference between THOSE spots, just definitively hope we move up from there and into the top 7.
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Post#876 » by TimHonks » Sat Mar 3, 2018 9:32 pm

Ayton
MPJ

Doncic
Bagley
Bamba
JJJ

Miles
Mikal
Carter
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Post#877 » by Axolotl » Sat Mar 3, 2018 9:50 pm

Davell wrote:Eh, I'm perfectly fine with either of Wendell Carter or Mikal Bridges, if the top 7 goes the way it looks right now. So, I honestly am fine at 8 OR 9, without preference between THOSE spots, just definitively hope we move up from there and into the top 7.


I find it hard to make up my mind on Carter and Bridges, but if I had to choose now, I'd take Carter solely based on him being almost three years younger.

The gap from 7 to 8 seems substantial. Should watch more of the prospects play, but my inner scout is lazy...

Anyway, I can't be dissappointed if our youngsters win games. That's what they are supposed to do.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#878 » by shakes0 » Sat Mar 3, 2018 10:16 pm

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realEAST wrote:If we finish, as it looks we will, at 8-9 spot, I'd take Mile Bridges there - I see him primary and exclusively as SF, and think he has good size and great athleticism for position. He refined his skill set this year, improving ball handling, pull up game and his playmaking ability, becoming much more perimeter oriented player. He has winning mentality and good work ethic. If he keeps his steady development he could become pretty good all round two way wing imo - to some degree he reminds me of Jimmy Butler.



Huh? Improved ball handling? He literally can not dribble! Even an announcer earlier this year pointed it out that Miles is a one dribble player meaning he can only take one dribble before he has to either pull up for a jumper or bail himself out with a pass off. He can't beat any college defenders off the dribble. How is he going to play the wing in the NBA if he literally can not dribble a basketball? I think he has sure thing bust written all over him. I wouldn't be surprised if he drops out of the lottery and into the deep teens of the first round.


Last few games of his I watched he looked just fine off dribble, certainly much improved in comparison to last year and the beginning of this season. He can certainly take guys off dribble, I suggest watching at least highlights of last two games. His pull up game is pretty good too, really surprised me with strides he made there, since he wasn't able to pull up for a jumper, let alone hit it last year, and is pretty strong part of his game. And has shown consistent improvement so far, if he keeps adding to his game, he could become a good and versatile offensive player.

In comparison to other wing prospects in range - his handles are on another plane in comparison to Knox, and are quite comparable to Mikal's, with Miles being two years younger. At his best he looked like a decent creator, if he could translate that to NBA level in time, he could be a nice surprise of the draft.

You seeing him as a sure bust is pretty definitive position that doesn't allow for too much discussion, I am afraid.


Don't know how you or anyone could watch Bridges and say with a straight face that me can dribble a basketball. He literally had one moment the entire game today where he beat someone off the dribble and that was vs a bad defender in Robinson. All he can do is spot up shoot.

So in the past 2 games he had exactly one successful dribbling attempt. Pathetic for a so called lottery pick.

How is he a better prospect than a guy like Lonnie Walker?
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Post#879 » by TheHrvReport » Sat Mar 3, 2018 10:56 pm

Top 5 Freshman Box PlusMinus (data since 2011):
1 - Anthony Davis
2 - Karl-Anthony Towns
3 - Jaren Jackson Jr.
4 - Joel Embiid
5 - Wendell Carter Jr.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#880 » by GimmeDat » Sat Mar 3, 2018 11:01 pm

Knox, with our own pick, would be really bad.

Next best guy outside of the top 7 is Carter imo, have to take him if we finish 8th. I also think there's a chance Bagley or Young falls to 8.

I'm still holding out hope we can move up a few spots. The Mavs game hurt but it's not the end of the world.

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