NBA Trade Thread # 3

[WindyCityBorn]

Thoughts on Kelly Oubre? He will be a free agent at the end of the season and I don’t think Golden State will be able to retain him because they’re so high above the tax.

He had a slow start, but in February he is averaging 20PPG shooting 50.2% FG% & 43% 3P%. He’s already a solid defensive player with elite physical tools.

Thoughts on this line up?

Coby White / Tomas Satoransky
Zach LaVine / Garrett Temple
Kelly Oubre / Patrick Williams
Patrick Williams / Thaddeus Young
Lauri Markkanen / Wendell Carter Jr.

It feels like a more modern era NBA team.

Patrick Williams is a not PF. That frontcourt would get destroyed.

[WindyCityBorn]

What about this?

Chicago In KP, Ball, Hernongonez
Chicago Out Porter, Carter, Val, Sato, Lotto protected 1st or 2nd

Dallas Out KP
Dallas In Porter and Carter

NO Out Ball, Hernongonez
NO IN Sato, Val and whatever pick is haggled.

Hell no to Porzingis. The last thing we need is another injury prone player on huge contract. The only reason Dallas would do that is because they know Porzingis is damaged goods.

[sco]

Thoughts on Kelly Oubre? He will be a free agent at the end of the season and I don’t think Golden State will be able to retain him because they’re so high above the tax.

He had a slow start, but in February he is averaging 20PPG shooting 50.2% FG% & 43% 3P%. He’s already a solid defensive player with elite physical tools.

Thoughts on this line up?

Coby White / Tomas Satoransky
Zach LaVine / Garrett Temple
Kelly Oubre / Patrick Williams
Patrick Williams / Thaddeus Young
Lauri Markkanen / Wendell Carter Jr.

It feels like a more modern era NBA team.

Patrick Williams is a not PF. That frontcourt would get destroyed.

Wait, Lauri is listed at C there, and you focused on PWill is not a PF?

[gobullschi]

Thoughts on Kelly Oubre? He will be a free agent at the end of the season and I don’t think Golden State will be able to retain him because they’re so high above the tax.

He had a slow start, but in February he is averaging 20PPG shooting 50.2% FG% & 43% 3P%. He’s already a solid defensive player with elite physical tools.

Thoughts on this line up?

Coby White / Tomas Satoransky
Zach LaVine / Garrett Temple
Kelly Oubre / Patrick Williams
Patrick Williams / Thaddeus Young
Lauri Markkanen / Wendell Carter Jr.

It feels like a more modern era NBA team.

Patrick Williams is a not PF. That frontcourt would get destroyed.

Wait, Lauri is listed at C there, and you focused on PWill is not a PF?

I realize this line up is unusual but I thought it would lead to an interesting discussion. Obviously Wendell Carter Jr. could still start at center if the experiment failed, but I do think the lineup creates a lot of mismatches.

First, Patrick Williams has been playing power forward a lot since Markkanen went down, so it isn’t an unusual concept. He’s clearly proven that he can handle the small forward role, but he would be even more dynamic as a power forward where he wouldn’t have a problem blowing past guys off the dribble.

Second, I totally understand questioning Markkanen at center too. I was imagining the Bulls signing Lonzo Ball in the offseason, which would give the Bulls 3 really solid defensive players (Oubre, Lonzo, & Williams) which would help mask some of the issues on the defensive end.

[WindyCityBorn]

Patrick Williams is a not PF. That frontcourt would get destroyed.

Wait, Lauri is listed at C there, and you focused on PWill is not a PF?

I realize this line up is unusual but I thought it would lead to an interesting discussion. Obviously Wendell Carter Jr. could still start at center if the experiment failed, but I do think the lineup creates a lot of mismatches.

First, Patrick Williams has been playing power forward a lot since Markkanen went down, so it isn’t an unusual concept. He’s clearly proven that he can handle the small forward role, but he would be even more dynamic as a power forward where he wouldn’t have a problem blowing past guys off the dribble.

Second, I totally understand questioning Markkanen at center too. I was imagining the Bulls signing Lonzo Ball in the offseason, which would give the Bulls 3 really solid defensive players (Oubre, Lonzo, & Williams) which would help mask some of the issues on the defensive end.

He is playing PF out of necessity. Not because it is his best position. He will be back to SF after the all-star break.

[WindyCityBorn]

Thoughts on Kelly Oubre? He will be a free agent at the end of the season and I don’t think Golden State will be able to retain him because they’re so high above the tax.

He had a slow start, but in February he is averaging 20PPG shooting 50.2% FG% & 43% 3P%. He’s already a solid defensive player with elite physical tools.

Thoughts on this line up?

Coby White / Tomas Satoransky
Zach LaVine / Garrett Temple
Kelly Oubre / Patrick Williams
Patrick Williams / Thaddeus Young
Lauri Markkanen / Wendell Carter Jr.

It feels like a more modern era NBA team.

Patrick Williams is a not PF. That frontcourt would get destroyed.

Wait, Lauri is listed at C there, and you focused on PWill is not a PF?

Both are out position, but we know Lauri is built to play center outside of spot minutes. Some people actually think Williams best is PF. I don see it at all. I have no interest in 6’8” 230 lb starting PF.

[gobullschi]

Patrick Williams is a not PF. That frontcourt would get destroyed.

Wait, Lauri is listed at C there, and you focused on PWill is not a PF?

Both are out position, but we know Lauri is built to play center outside of spot minutes. Some people actually think Williams best is PF. I don see it at all. I have no interest in 6’8” 230 lb starting PF.

That’s the average height of a power forward in today’s game.

[Threekola]

WCJ is driving me completely nuts. Can we just trade Otto's contract and something in the future for Drummond? He seems like the best option out there going forward at center that's reasonably attainable.

[MrSparkle]

Wait, Lauri is listed at C there, and you focused on PWill is not a PF?

Both are out position, but we know Lauri is built to play center outside of spot minutes. Some people actually think Williams best is PF. I don see it at all. I have no interest in 6’8” 230 lb starting PF.

That’s the average height of a power forward in today’s game.

Unfortunately I'm not seeing Patrick's handles as very effective on the wing.

On the bright side, he seems fine defending any position. When he gets free, I love his ability to finish strong.

But creating at SF? Hm I dunno. First-step seems too slow. Hopefully he can improve his handles.

[TheStig]

What about this?

Chicago In KP, Ball, Hernongonez
Chicago Out Porter, Carter, Val, Sato, Lotto protected 1st or 2nd

Dallas Out KP
Dallas In Porter and Carter

NO Out Ball, Hernongonez
NO IN Sato, Val and whatever pick is haggled.

Hell no to Porzingis. The last thing we need is another injury prone player on huge contract. The only reason Dallas would do that is because they know Porzingis is damaged goods.

I think he's going to be a productive player. You can't teach the size and skill set he has. I think Dallas is dropping him to early. He's just coming off an ACL.

[WindyCityBorn]

Wait, Lauri is listed at C there, and you focused on PWill is not a PF?

Both are out position, but we know Lauri is built to play center outside of spot minutes. Some people actually think Williams best is PF. I don see it at all. I have no interest in 6’8” 230 lb starting PF.

That’s the average height of a power forward in today’s game.

Not the great ones.

[WindyCityBorn]

What about this?

Chicago In KP, Ball, Hernongonez
Chicago Out Porter, Carter, Val, Sato, Lotto protected 1st or 2nd

Dallas Out KP
Dallas In Porter and Carter

NO Out Ball, Hernongonez
NO IN Sato, Val and whatever pick is haggled.

Hell no to Porzingis. The last thing we need is another injury prone player on huge contract. The only reason Dallas would do that is because they know Porzingis is damaged goods.

I think he's going to be a productive player. You can't teach the size and skill set he has. I think Dallas is dropping him to early. He's just coming off an ACL.

3 years after ACL tear now. He is just damaged. Another super tall guy that cannot stay healthy. Not worth the risk.

[WindyCityBorn]

Both are out position, but we know Lauri is built to play center outside of spot minutes. Some people actually think Williams best is PF. I don see it at all. I have no interest in 6’8” 230 lb starting PF.

That’s the average height of a power forward in today’s game.

Unfortunately I'm not seeing Patrick's handles as very effective on the wing.

On the bright side, he seems fine defending any position. When he gets free, I love his ability to finish strong.

But creating at SF? Hm I dunno. First-step seems too slow. Hopefully he can improve his handles.

He seems plenty explosive enough to me. His handle can get tighter for sure.

[TheStig]

Hell no to Porzingis. The last thing we need is another injury prone player on huge contract. The only reason Dallas would do that is because they know Porzingis is damaged goods.

I think he's going to be a productive player. You can't teach the size and skill set he has. I think Dallas is dropping him to early. He's just coming off an ACL.

3 years after ACL tear now. He is just damaged. Another super tall guy that cannot stay healthy. Not worth the risk.

Didn't he just have some knee injury in the playoffs? That's what i was refering too. He's still 20 and 8 and can spread the floor. I think he'll be able to get back up to speed.

[MrSparkle]

Porzingis is damaged goods, but it also comes down to Dallas being in an impatient situation with Luka, who is a 1-man contending machine. They need healthy depth pieces to replace that $30m KP salary. I probably wouldn't do it, but that's what medicals are for. He might just need a longer recovery period. The initial 2-3 years after ACL are generally rough (Rubio, Gallinari, Rose). Zach has been a strange outlier. But eventually they settle, if they diet and train well. Plus like Gallinari, he is a shooter, not a slasher.

Dallas was probably hopeful having him play through aches for that bubble run, and they've probably been urging him to get into peak shape this season. But at 25, age is on his side, and the numbers are alright. It wouldn't be preposterous to dance around an Otto for Porzingis swap, which allows them to attack free agency. I'd tread with major caution; the guy is signed until 2024. I'd lean 80% 'no' but wouldn't hurt to investigate his health thoroughly.

[WindyCityBorn]

I think he's going to be a productive player. You can't teach the size and skill set he has. I think Dallas is dropping him to early. He's just coming off an ACL.

3 years after ACL tear now. He is just damaged. Another super tall guy that cannot stay healthy. Not worth the risk.

Didn't he just have some knee injury in the playoffs? That's what i was refering too. He's still 20 and 8 and can spread the floor. I think he'll be able to get back up to speed.

We already have a 7 footer doing that without a **** up knee and back. And Porzingis is not a good defender any more either. He pretty stands on the perimeter and avoids as much contact as possible. Let’s just pay Lauri $15 to $20 million instead of paying Porgimpis $30 million. He will never be what he once was or could have been. Dallas knows it. Bulls should not be the fools to bail them out.

[kodo]

Are we still trading Lavine after doing things like this for him?

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[WYO]

Are we still trading Lavine after doing things like this for him?

Read on Twitter

Please find the last page someone mentioned trading Lavine because no one is mentioning that anymore in this thread. I'm not sure why you're posting this as if everyone is on a trade Lavine kick here.

[TheStig]

3 years after ACL tear now. He is just damaged. Another super tall guy that cannot stay healthy. Not worth the risk.

Didn't he just have some knee injury in the playoffs? That's what i was refering too. He's still 20 and 8 and can spread the floor. I think he'll be able to get back up to speed.

We already have a 7 footer doing that without a **** up knee and back. And Porzingis is not a good defender any more either. He pretty stands on the perimeter and avoids as much contact as possible. Let’s just pay Lauri $15 to $20 million instead of paying Porgimpis $30 million. He will never be what he once was or could have been. Dallas knows it. Bulls should not be the fools to bail them out.

Again, he's coming off a injury. What makes you think he's damaged goods forever?

[gobullschi]

That’s the average height of a power forward in today’s game.

Unfortunately I'm not seeing Patrick's handles as very effective on the wing.

On the bright side, he seems fine defending any position. When he gets free, I love his ability to finish strong.

But creating at SF? Hm I dunno. First-step seems too slow. Hopefully he can improve his handles.

He seems plenty explosive enough to me. His handle can get tighter for sure.

I don’t really understand why you’re taking such a hard stance with Patrick Williams playing small forward. It’s too his advantage to player power forward because he will be able to move way more fluidly that most that play the position.

The Bulls didn’t have a small forward, which is why we were all hoping he could play it after the draft.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m totally fine with him playing small forward and there are still plenty of minutes that are available for him to play both positions.