2018 Draft Thread #6

[nomorezorro]

He's better defensively than Ayton and Bagley.

yeah i don't think he's bad defensively at the ncaa level, but with ayton/bagley you can always talk yourself into believing they'll figure it out on that end because of their physical toolset, and you can't do the same thing with jontay

if he can capably defend the pick and roll as an nba player then i think he's a lottery talent

[GameBredAPBT]

So no thoughts on Jerome Robinson with the Pels pick? Dude's one of the best three point shooters in the country, a very good, deft athlete, and a pretty competent playmaker to boot.

[Jahensle]

If we end up with #8, I'm hoping we pick Mikal or Miles. I'd prefer Mikal personally but would be happy with Miles. I envision Miles as more a perennial 6th man of the year type. Mikal at the 3 would fit well super well next to Lavine imo.

[Dan Z]

Tale of the tape: Mohamed Bamba vs. Jaren Jackson Jr.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-03-01/college-basketball-tale-tape-mohamed-bamba-vs-jaren-jackson

[TheSuzerain]

He's better defensively than Ayton and Bagley.

yeah i don't think he's bad defensively at the ncaa level, but with ayton/bagley you can always talk yourself into believing they'll figure it out on that end because of their physical toolset, and you can't do the same thing with jontay

if he can capably defend the pick and roll as an nba player then i think he's a lottery talent

He's been pretty much elite in college. At the top of the SEC in several metrics.

Instincts are the most important thing a player can have defensively, and he's got them.

[League Circles]

You can tell lots of fans only watch the Bulls. No NBA teams in their late teens/early 20s are contenders, doesn't work that way, nor would anyone want it to. Great athletes don't peak until midway through their careers, and then they parlay that success into great descensions from those heights.

Why would you not want to contend as early as possible? I mean I get that it's unlikely, but you're saying a team shouldn't want it to happen. Why not? The mid 90s magic and the okc team of like 6 years ago were both very young contenders.

Like rememberlu alluded to, this may be semantics. There are basically three levels of competitive status for nba teams:

1. Trying to lose (tanking). This step for us may be done after this season, and maybe should be, as we're not bad enough to project to having a real high pick next year.
2. Conserving cap space by not committing too much to the wrong players too early, waiting for the right time yo go to step three. This step is likely to last for a few years but there's no reason to want it to.
3. Going all in, which means spending as much as possible and locking yourself into the best roster you can, and hoping for the best.

[League Circles]

Why does Bagley suck now and his clearly less talented frontcourt mate seem like a better prospect? I'm not seeing it. Bagley is a beast. Least likely top prospect to bust IMO.

This is an impression I've got of him as well. He may be as low as 4th or so for me, but yes he may be least likely to bust. Should be a Bosh type level player IMO.

[Moosegary]

Why does Bagley suck now and his clearly less talented frontcourt mate seem like a better prospect? I'm not seeing it. Bagley is a beast. Least likely top prospect to bust IMO.

This is an impression I've got of him as well. He may be as low as 4th or so for me, but yes he may be least likely to bust. Should be a Bosh type level player IMO.

I agree as well - my two top choices would be Ayton or Bagley. Besides Doncic, everyone else is based on potential. These two have had monster games after monster games. I just think when it’s all said and done they both will be gone before the bulls pick. I like JJJs potential but he hasn’t played like the other two have. I don’t have a good read on Bamba, out of the top bigs he has the most bust potential. Not including Carter- I just don’t see him in the same conversation as the others.

[Dresden]

I'm not watching any more highlights of Wendell Carter or the Bridges Brothers. I already know what we are getting in those guys. A non-star.

And you're one hundred percent certain that Ayton, Doncic, Porter, Jackson, Young, Bagley and Bamba are going to be stars?

No, but at least it is more realistic to think some of those guys will be stars. I'm not going to delude myself into thinking guys that project as role players will be stars when we could have easily gotten a better prospect with smarter management. That's not to say we can't luck into a star potential player, but the odds are very low. Looks we are already basing our entire future around Markkanen beating those odds. I wouldn't count on it happening in back-to-back years.

Management obviously sees it differently, or they wouldn't be playing things the way they have been.

[Dresden]

Why does Bagley suck now and his clearly less talented frontcourt mate seem like a better prospect? I'm not seeing it. Bagley is a beast. Least likely top prospect to bust IMO.

This is an impression I've got of him as well. He may be as low as 4th or so for me, but yes he may be least likely to bust. Should be a Bosh type level player IMO.

Bosh was a good 3 pt shooter though. If Bagley can ever master that part of the game, he could well be a HOF type player like Bosh was. If not, he could still be very good, but with a different skill set than Bosh. He's much more active on the glass and aggressive inside than Bosh was.

[bigworld2017]

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A nice player. But we're not Drafting yet another PG this year. Dunn is going to have at least one season to prove himself. If he doesn't cut it next year there are all kinds of potential PGs available in the 2019 Draft. Nor are we drafting Trae or Sexton. The Bulls are going to take a big and a SF. We're set, for now, at the 1 and 2 and 4 spots.

[bigworld2017]

So no thoughts on Jerome Robinson with the Pels pick? Dude's one of the best three point shooters in the country, a very good, deft athlete, and a pretty competent playmaker to boot.

Another nice player. But we don't need a PG. We have 3 of them on the roster now. And Archy with our G league team. We're either going to go SF then a big with the Pels pick. Or vice versa. We aren't taking a PG. It would be foolish. Give Dunn a year. Grant is decent enough to play as the back-up for another year.

[CoreyVillains]

Drafting Miles Bridges would be the worst case scenario if it happens with the Bulls pick. Unless his measurments grew substantially this year he is the worst kind of tweener. His ball handling is really really bad and he won’t stretch the floor at all. He is going to struggle mightily at the NBA level if he plays the 3. He’s really too small to impact the game at the 4 defensively as well. He’ll look good in transition and have some cool dunks but he’s going to need a Steve Nash-esque pg to really make an impact offensively. If he is best player available at our pick, that is the easiest trade back decision I’ve seen in a while. The NCAA game is so different that you need to look at his NBA skills and right now he’s as raw an NBA prospect as anyone.

[Dresden]

Drafting Miles Bridges would be the worst case scenario if it happens with the Bulls pick. Unless his measurments grew substantially this year he is the worst kind of tweener. His ball handling is really really bad and he won’t stretch the floor at all. He is going to struggle mightily at the NBA level if he plays the 3. He’s really too small to impact the game at the 4 defensively as well. He’ll look good in transition and have some cool dunks but he’s going to need a Steve Nash-esque pg to really make an impact offensively. If he is best player available at our pick, that is the easiest trade back decision I’ve seen in a while. The NCAA game is so different that you need to look at his NBA skills and right now he’s as raw an NBA prospect as anyone.

I tend to agree. I think Mikal is much better nba prospect.

[Red Larrivee]

Why does Bagley suck now and his clearly less talented frontcourt mate seem like a better prospect? I'm not seeing it. Bagley is a beast. Least likely top prospect to bust IMO.

Bagley's defense has been really bad. I think part of his preseason hype was that he possessed two-way ability, which would have made him a mismatch nightmare as a center. We've rarely seen that though. Bagley still has a great motor though on the offensive end, and he's a great multiple jump athlete, but I can see why some have been a little disappointed.

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[IcemanGervin]

maybe we will select Due Diligence at 8

[IcemanGervin]

Why does Bagley suck now and his clearly less talented frontcourt mate seem like a better prospect? I'm not seeing it. Bagley is a beast. Least likely top prospect to bust IMO.

Bagley's defense has been really bad. I think part of his preseason hype was that he possessed two-way ability, which would have made him a mismatch nightmare as a center. We've rarely seen that though. Bagley still has a great motor though on the offensive end, and he's a great multiple jump athlete, but I can see why some have been a little disappointed.

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Duke's team defense has been soft for years. Big reason for their constant disappointments in march.

[Benedict Miller]

Disappointed in Bagley's lack of rim protection, but I think he'll improve as an overall defender.
I like his will and heart as a player.

[Evil_Headband]

Drafting eighth doesn't seem that bad. It wouldn't be surprising at all if someone like Wendell Carter, Collin Sexton, or Mikal Bridges turned out to be one of the best players in this draft.

[TheSuzerain]

Drafting eighth doesn't seem that bad. It wouldn't be surprising at all if someone like Wendell Carter, Collin Sexton, or Mikal Bridges turned out to be one of the best players in this draft.

That would be incredibly surprising.

But it's not surprising that fans are trying to rationalize the tank failures.