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OT: COVID-19 thread #3

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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#421 » by Dresden » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:08 am

dice wrote:trump admin announces $2 billion contract w/ pfizer to make 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine that has not yet been approved. seems like a good gamble if there's reason to believe at this stage that it will end up being effective

meanwhile, nationwide hospitalizations nearing record highs of months ago, but while deaths are up-ticking they are still relatively low


In the Bay Area, while all of the indicators are still going up, they are going up at a slower rate than they were two weeks ago, or one week ago. So it's slowing down. For now. I think this is the case in many of the areas that exploded a few weeks ago- so hopefully people are paying attention again to being careful, and this can be contained more quickly and with many fewer deaths than in March/April.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#422 » by Dresden » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:13 am

dice wrote:unless he's privy to private conversations involving dutarte, he has no more knowledge than the average citizen there about the relationship between dutarte and trump. and indeed probably less. do you trust the reading of the average american citizen on matters involving the american government? i sure as hell don't. and our government is far more transparent than that of the philippines. public sentiment is hardly a respectable arbiter of truth


I would trust the average American's opinion about what's happening with the American govt. if they are reliably reading newspapers and paying attention, more so I would someone from another country, unless they are some sort of specialist focusing on American affairs. If you spend time in a place, and talk to locals, you get a good sense of what the general sentiment is.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#423 » by dice » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:14 am

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dice wrote:unless he's privy to private conversations involving dutarte, he has no more knowledge than the average citizen there about the relationship between dutarte and trump. and indeed probably less. do you trust the reading of the average american citizen on matters involving the american government? i sure as hell don't. and our government is far more transparent than that of the philippines. public sentiment is hardly a respectable arbiter of truth


I would trust the average American's opinion about what's happening with the American govt. if they are reliably reading newspapers and paying attention, more so I would someone from another country, unless they are some sort of specialist focusing on American affairs. If you spend time in a place, and talk to locals, you get a good sense of what the general sentiment is.

of course. but trump and dutarte's relationship is not a matter of public sentiment

and most people do not reliably pay attention to what's going on in their government. as player up even noted, most filipinos are mostly concerned with putting food on the table
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#424 » by dice » Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:40 am

latest top 10 in per capita new daily cases:

1 oman
2 bahrain
3 panama
4 s africa
5 USA
6 israel
7 brazil
8 colombia
9 bolivia
10 kuwait

FL, LA, MS, NV, AZ, AL, SC, TX, ID an TN all at higher per capita rates than any nation

meanwhile, FEMA is still shipping defective medical gear to nonprofit nursing homes, including trash bag gowns, expired masks and masks made from underwear fabric. some facilities in arizona are being sent gloves that are all extra small. the average nursing home has seen 23 infections since the pandemic started. the trump administration decision to largely stay out of the PPE procurement business has caused prices to skyrocket as states, cities and hospitals have to compete for equipment, leaving nursing homes at a disadvantage. the vast majority of nursing homes are not even able to regularly test employees and residents. we're five months in, folks
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#425 » by Dresden » Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:25 pm

dice wrote:latest top 10 in per capita new daily cases:

1 oman
2 bahrain
3 panama
4 s africa
5 USA
6 israel
7 brazil
8 colombia
9 bolivia
10 kuwait

FL, LA, MS, NV, AZ, AL, SC, TX, ID an TN all at higher per capita rates than any nation

meanwhile, FEMA is still shipping defective medical gear to nonprofit nursing homes, including trash bag gowns, expired masks and masks made from underwear fabric. some facilities in arizona are being sent gloves that are all extra small. the average nursing home has seen 23 infections since the pandemic started. the trump administration decision to largely stay out of the PPE procurement business has caused prices to skyrocket as states, cities and hospitals have to compete for equipment, leaving nursing homes at a disadvantage. the vast majority of nursing homes are not even able to regularly test employees and residents. we're five months in, folks


Are you sure about that last sentence- that "the vast majority of nursing homes aren't testing"? that sounds incredible. If any place should testing, it's nursing homes. I don't know the latest %'s, but early on about 1/4 to 1/2 of all deaths were at nursing homes.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#426 » by Dresden » Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:37 pm

Brilliant video by NYT showing the reactions from common people in other countries to the US response to the pandemic:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/27/opinion/covid-19-global-response.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#427 » by DuckIII » Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:17 pm

This Marlins outbreak has the potential to have a significant ripple effect in both sports and general society.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#428 » by ImSlower » Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:26 pm

DuckIII wrote:This Marlins outbreak has the potential to have a significant ripple effect in both sports and general society.


I guess I'm biased being a big baseball fan, but I thought this would be major news outside the sports world; CNN has it as a basic article down in their Sports feed. Though it sounds like MLB's position is "Hey that sucked! Cross your fingers it doesnt happen again, everyone!" Seems like everyone involved wants to underplay it - except the Philly players anyways - while every fan is saying "This was bound to happen, we all knew it."

If the Phillies test completely negative, it'll be great news - perhaps the Marlins are punished for slacking in their safety requirements and we all move on. If a couple of them show up positive, likely due to their interaction with the Marlins, there might be more outcry for rethinking the safety restrictions the league is using.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#429 » by transplant » Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:36 pm

ImSlower wrote:
DuckIII wrote:This Marlins outbreak has the potential to have a significant ripple effect in both sports and general society.


I guess I'm biased being a big baseball fan, but I thought this would be major news outside the sports world; CNN has it as a basic article down in their Sports feed. Though it sounds like MLB's position is "Hey that sucked! Cross your fingers it doesnt happen again, everyone!" Seems like everyone involved wants to underplay it - except the Philly players anyways - while every fan is saying "This was bound to happen, we all knew it."

If the Phillies test completely negative, it'll be great news - perhaps the Marlins are punished for slacking in their safety requirements and we all move on. If a couple of them show up positive, likely due to their interaction with the Marlins, there might be more outcry for rethinking the safety restrictions the league is using.

Apparently Phillies manager, Joe Girardi knew enough about the Marlins situation prior to yesterday's game to recommend that his players wear masks on the bases. Apparently, only Bryce Harper took his advice.

While MLB has decent protocols in place, in practice, players are often ignoring them (eyeballing it, a minority of players wear masks in the dugout, spitting and high-5s are commonplace with some hugs thrown from time to time). It's kind of a microcosm of the country, I guess. Let's hope that the Marlin's situation is a wake up call.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#430 » by dice » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:42 pm

DuckIII wrote:This Marlins outbreak has the potential to have a significant ripple effect in both sports and general society.

frankly, i think we'd have to see the baseball or basketball seasons completely cancelled in order to produce a societal impact. and maybe not even that would move the needle. maybe we'd have to lose the football season. hell, we'd deserve it

"we're worse off than when we shut things down in march. look at where other developed countries are. we haven't done any of the things that the other countries have done. sports are the reward of a functioning society. we can't just have virus fatigue and think that, well, it's been 4 months, that's enough time" - sean doolittle, washington nationals
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#431 » by Red8911 » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:14 am

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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#432 » by dice » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:36 am

Red8911 wrote:

Read on Twitter


stella immanuel is a pediatrician. so even if she actually has had 250 kids who have tested positive, it's not some miracle outcome that none of them have died regardless of how poorly she "treated" them. in fact, in most of the world only 1 out of every several thousand infected children has died from COVID-19

2 countries that are doing very poorly w/ COVID-19: USA and brazil. both of their presidents have touted hydroxychloroquine and one of them CONTRACTED THE VIRUS! meanwhile, nations that are doing well have leaders that are following the science, which suggests that any mild benefits that the drug has for some people is not worth the potential side effects. do the math

and a simple google search on dr. immanuel reveals quite a bit of quackery

edit: 35 minutes after red posts the video youtube removes it
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#433 » by Bulls69 » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:50 am

DuckIII wrote:This Marlins outbreak has the potential to have a significant ripple effect in both sports and general society.


I hope it doesn't but I think you're right.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#434 » by dice » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:57 am

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DuckIII wrote:This Marlins outbreak has the potential to have a significant ripple effect in both sports and general society.


I hope it doesn't but I think you're right.

i don't mean to put words in his mouth but i think he's referring to a positive ripple effect
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#435 » by DuckIII » Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:57 am

dice wrote:
Bulls69 wrote:
DuckIII wrote:This Marlins outbreak has the potential to have a significant ripple effect in both sports and general society.


I hope it doesn't but I think you're right.

i don't mean to put words in his mouth but i think he's referring to a positive ripple effect


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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#436 » by HomoSapien » Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:00 pm

dice wrote:
DuckIII wrote:This Marlins outbreak has the potential to have a significant ripple effect in both sports and general society.

frankly, i think we'd have to see the baseball or basketball seasons completely cancelled in order to produce a societal impact. and maybe not even that would move the needle. maybe we'd have to lose the football season. hell, we'd deserve it

"we're worse off than when we shut things down in march. look at where other developed countries are. we haven't done any of the things that the other countries have done. sports are the reward of a functioning society. we can't just have virus fatigue and think that, well, it's been 4 months, that's enough time" - sean doolittle, washington nationals


The NBA initially postponing the season ended up being a linchpin for how the rest of society reacted towards the pandemic. I know tons of people who thought this was going to blow over until the NBA canceled their games. By now, everyone should know how serious it is, so I'm not sure if canceling more sports games will do anything. At this point, if you don't believe how serious and dangerous Covid-19 is the only thing that will change your mind is if you or people close to you start to become seriously ill from it.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#437 » by Dresden » Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:07 am

Trump today at his daily briefing, complaining that Fauci's approval rating is so much higher than his:

Nobody likes me,” the president said in a rare moment of self-reflection. “It can only be my personality, that’s all.” His lament came on the same day that the nation surpassed the grim benchmark of 150,000 deaths as a result of the pandemic.

“Remember, he’s working for this administration,” Trump said of Fauci, who is not a political appointee. “He’s working with us. We could’ve gotten other people. We could’ve gotten somebody else. It didn’t have to be Dr. Fauci.”“He's got this high approval rating,” Trump said of Fauci on Tuesday. “So why don’t I have a high approval rating and the administration with respect to the virus?”
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#438 » by Dresden » Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:07 am

Can he really be that clueless???
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#439 » by Dresden » Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:08 am

And by the way, these new pop ad's really suck. You click on them once, and in a few seconds they come right back.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#440 » by PaKii94 » Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:16 am

Dresden wrote:And by the way, these new pop ad's really suck. You click on them once, and in a few seconds they come right back.


Yeah the ads are ridiculous. It breaks the "jump to last unread post" function

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