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Re: the 2014 OffSeason Thread. 

Post#61 » by Neddy » Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:47 am

Kilroy wrote:I've been a Dodger fan longer than a Laker fan... I played both sports but for most of the time I've been a fan the Giants were essentially irrelevant... So I never really got the rivalry. And for much of the time the Giants have been in contention, the Dodgers have been at best, deeply flawed and hard to follow past mid season... Remember all those years of winning starts and woeful finishes?

To me, the rivalry really only is a thing for the past 2 or 3 seasons... Beyond that it's just us hating them because they were a lot better than us. You have to be similarly talented/successful for a true rivalry.
This year they snuck around us, so I'm not really that upset about it on a baseball level, just the fans are unbearable.


remember the bloody bat of Juan Marichal on John Roseboro's head...?

or the time when Jackie Robinson chose to retire rather than play for the hated Giants when traded?

our rivalry goes back more than a hundred years ago, long before NBA even came to exist. Our Rivalry started since they were the Gothams and we were the Bridegrooms. I think that was like 1888, there isn't another rivalry that goes that far into the history books anywhere. the DODGERS vs GIANTS rivalry is frankly, the oldest living grudge holding sports rivalry in the world today. we outdate the REDSOX vs YANKEES as the Sox wasn't even created until 1901.
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Re: the 2014 OffSeason Thread. 

Post#62 » by Kilroy » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:59 am

Now you're talkin' some Hatfield and McCoys ****... :lol:

I get there is a rivalry. But I just think that most of it from a Dodgers standpoint is just a reaction to the hate we get from the NorCal fans rather than any intense hate for the Giants... Until maybe a couple years ago.
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Post#63 » by Neddy » Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:31 am

dude i gave you a and1 just for the Hatfield and McCoy ****! lol

as for NorCal people with dodger hate, it is very real and palpable. when i was at UCSF and walking around the city if San Francisco with my dodger hat or jersey on, every five minutes i had somebody say something playful to something very nasty. when i came back to LA, in affluent part of LA didn't seem to care about the giants but i can assure you the lesser economically viable parts of LA Dodgers fans do care and will do the exact same.
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Re: the 2014 OffSeason Thread. 

Post#64 » by Quake Griffin » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:18 pm

What would you give for Chris Sale?
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Post#65 » by Neddy » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:22 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:What would you give for Chris Sale?


Crawford, Gonzo, Ethier, Wilson, League, and Ned Colletti.


well all kidding aside, i don't see it happening. Sox would want top prospects in return and we don't want to give up any. More importantly, he is locked in on a very cheap long term contract for his talent, the Sox have a bargain on Sales. there is no reason for them to deal away their ace who is young and cheap and locked in on a long term deal.
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Post#66 » by Quake Griffin » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:30 pm

oh and.....looks like Haren has exercised his option/ opted in or whatever.

He will be back.
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Post#67 » by Neddy » Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:35 am

Haren, despite his high HR per 9 innings, is an effective pitcher in terms of WHIP and FIP. as a fifth starter i have no problem with him what so ever. and i think he is slowly regaining his form as his pitching arm is recovering too.

the issue now is who gets to pitch the 4th slot? if wish for guys like Shields / Lester / Scherzer, but if we aren't going for the big name that may cost a first round pick, i want to see what Zach Lee has got to offer. it took him a while to figure it out but last season, he finally arrived. i think he gets it and should be given a fair chance during the spring training and be seriously looked at.

more than anything, we need another reliable righty to balance our starting five. another lefty would make us too left handed.
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Post#68 » by Star-Lord » Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:41 am

Eh, Haren opting in isn't surprising. Nobody else was going to give him ten million next year. He's still fine as a 5th starter, but ideal as a 6th guy filling in for DL's and providing emergency relief from the Bullpen come fall.

Chris Sale probably costs at least one of Joc, Seager or Urias, and I don't want to get rid of any of them. Arruebarrena and one of the high price outfielders not named Puig or Kemp won't get it done.
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Re: the 2014 OffSeason Thread. 

Post#69 » by Neddy » Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:47 am

CCIIIs Hair wrote:Eh, Haren opting in isn't surprising. Nobody else was going to give him ten million next year. He's still fine as a 5th starter, but ideal as a 6th guy filling in for DL's and providing emergency relief from the Bullpen come fall.

Chris Sale probably costs at least one of Joc, Seager or Urias, and I don't want to get rid of any of them. Arruebarrena and one of the high price outfielders not named Puig or Kemp won't get it done.


I highly doubt the whitesox would trade away Sales whom is locked in until what, 2019? for dirt cheap for a prospect even if he is a top notch. it would cost two or even all three of our top prospects to gain what is already a stud at a bargain price tag.

but glad to see you post around here!!! we need more posters for this forum so don't feel shy to express your opinions man!
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Post#70 » by Star-Lord » Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:03 am

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CCIIIs Hair wrote:Eh, Haren opting in isn't surprising. Nobody else was going to give him ten million next year. He's still fine as a 5th starter, but ideal as a 6th guy filling in for DL's and providing emergency relief from the Bullpen come fall.

Chris Sale probably costs at least one of Joc, Seager or Urias, and I don't want to get rid of any of them. Arruebarrena and one of the high price outfielders not named Puig or Kemp won't get it done.


I highly doubt the whitesox would trade away Sales whom is locked in until what, 2019? for dirt cheap for a prospect even if he is a top notch. it would cost two or even all three of our top prospects to gain what is already a stud at a bargain price tag.

but glad to see you post around here!!! we need more posters for this forum so don't feel shy to express your opinions man!


Agreed, and really, Sale is a future ace who already makes one of Scherzer or Price expendable. No need to give up on a couple of awesome prospects when all we really need is a reliable 4th and 5th arm. Seager and Urias in particular look like future All-Stars.

Neddy wrote:the issue now is who gets to pitch the 4th slot? if wish for guys like Shields / Lester / Scherzer, but if we aren't going for the big name that may cost a first round pick, i want to see what Zach Lee has got to offer. it took him a while to figure it out but last season, he finally arrived. i think he gets it and should be given a fair chance during the spring training and be seriously looked at.

more than anything, we need another reliable righty to balance our starting five. another lefty would make us too left handed.


Shields is probably the most viable of all the bigger name options out there. I could totally see him signing for bigger dollars on shorter years, whereas a guy like Lester is definitely going to want a long term deal.

I don't want the Dodgers going into 2015 having to rely on Lee as a starter. He needs to prove his AAA experience has been a fluke thus far, because he just lost it in Albuquerque.

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Post#71 » by Neddy » Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:33 am

damn, you are right, CCIII's hair, the last time i checked Zach Lee's stats in mid season of AAA, he was looking pretty good. when i just checked it he looks worse than awful. hopefully going to Oklahoma can fix things for him and we can dump him in a package deal, lol
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Post#72 » by Quake Griffin » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:21 pm

Yea. Zach's doesnt have much value imo unless a team thinks they can fix him and loves the 6 years of control they'd have over him.


Hey Ned.
take a look at Stephen Drew for me. He has an elite glove. Will be going into his age 32 season. His bat has been trash the last season or two....but he's hit "OKAY" before.

would you take a one year flyer on him on the chance that he has proven that he can produce at the plate better than Erisbel probably will?
or is he on the decline and not worth it?



Keep in mind.
I'm moving on from Hanley at SS. If he wants to play, he'll play 3rd. This would make Juan a valuable trade chip.
1 year deal...worth $7 million and possibly the best defensive 3B in baseball.

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Post#73 » by Quake Griffin » Sat Nov 1, 2014 12:10 am

Dodgers declined the option on Bills.


look at the wiretap above.
Kendrick is for sale. We need to give those turds Zach lee for Kendrick.
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Post#74 » by Neddy » Sat Nov 1, 2014 2:01 am

Quake Griffin wrote:Yea. Zach's doesnt have much value imo unless a team thinks they can fix him and loves the 6 years of control they'd have over him.


Hey Ned.
take a look at Stephen Drew for me. He has an elite glove. Will be going into his age 32 season. His bat has been trash the last season or two....but he's hit "OKAY" before.

would you take a one year flyer on him on the chance that he has proven that he can produce at the plate better than Erisbel probably will?
or is he on the decline and not worth it?



Keep in mind.
I'm moving on from Hanley at SS. If he wants to play, he'll play 3rd. This would make Juan a valuable trade chip.
1 year deal...worth $7 million and possibly the best defensive 3B in baseball.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... st01.shtml
link for stephen drew's numbers.


the sample size is too small to make any comparison. but what i can tell you is that both absolutely sucked at the plate and neither one's contact is worth their performance overall. taking a quick glance, Drew is slightly more dependable but Erisbel more spectacular both in stats and eye test, but both hit so miserably that whatever they gain on the field will be lost in the batters box. OPS+ for both are beyond miserable.

having said that, if we can dump both Guerrero and Erisbel at their full contract and gain Drew with no losing any draft picks, I would be Okay with it. at least with Drew, there is a chance we can expect him to hit somewhat respectably in NLW while giving us the proven consistent superb defense but with Erisbel, you just never know how low his offense can fall to. but Erisbel's defense won't disappoint. that's for sure.


BTW, you don't want Hanley on 3rd. in his career so far at the 3rd base, his defense is much worse comparatively at that position than he has been at SS, and we all know how bad he has been at SS. he is a AL DH now. it's better we move on. only way i want him back is if he takes the qualifying offer for the next year without a long term deal.
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Re: the 2014 OffSeason Thread. 

Post#75 » by Neddy » Sat Nov 1, 2014 2:07 am

Quake Griffin wrote:Dodgers declined the option on Bills.


look at the wiretap above.
Kendrick is for sale. We need to give those turds Zach lee for Kendrick.


how about Kendrick for Haren? lol I know they want Lee but they won't get much better with aging second baseman past his prime.

if we must get rid of Lee, I want Lee for Hank and their a couple of mid tier prospects.
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Post#76 » by Star-Lord » Sat Nov 1, 2014 7:13 pm

In fairness to Lee, the PCL is just a black hole for pitchers, which can explain the numbers to a certain degree. Still, if Friedman can find a sucker willing to take him, I think he pulls the trigger without thinking twice.

Declining Bills wasn't surprising at all, but I'd totally be okay with bringing him back on the cheap and seeing what, if anything, he has left. What if he can reinvent himself as a stretch relief arm? Chances are good it won't cost much to find out, and I'm just a fan of the guy. I'd like to see him stick around.

Isn't Kyle Kendrick a free agent this winter? I'd personally rather go after Brandon McCarthy or even Ervin Santana, but Kendrick should be able to be had without giving anything up, and I wouldn't be mad at it.

EA should be the starting shortstop in April with the way he's getting paid. Maybe he can't hit, but it's something the club has to figure out this season, and with his glove, I think they can afford to, especially considering there aren't many attractive alternatives available.
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Post#77 » by Neddy » Sat Nov 1, 2014 10:30 pm

CCIIIs Hair wrote:In fairness to Lee, the PCL is just a black hole for pitchers, which can explain the numbers to a certain degree. Still, if Friedman can find a sucker willing to take him, I think he pulls the trigger without thinking twice.

Declining Bills wasn't surprising at all, but I'd totally be okay with bringing him back on the cheap and seeing what, if anything, he has left. What if he can reinvent himself as a stretch relief arm? Chances are good it won't cost much to find out, and I'm just a fan of the guy. I'd like to see him stick around.

Isn't Kyle Kendrick a free agent this winter? I'd personally rather go after Brandon McCarthy or even Ervin Santana, but Kendrick should be able to be had without giving anything up, and I wouldn't be mad at it.

EA should be the starting shortstop in April with the way he's getting paid. Maybe he can't hit, but it's something the club has to figure out this season, and with his glove, I think they can afford to, especially considering there aren't many attractive alternatives available.


I dunno, the more i think about this issue, i think it is imperative that we sign another Ace for the starting rotation. with a signing like Brandon McCarthy, an idiot like Mattingly will be compelled to overlook him and lean on Kershaw to go on a short rest again.

I frankly think the one to go after as of now, is David Price. having been traded mid season, I don't think the tigers can tie up a first round pick. and when the playoffs come, i think we should setup our rotation according to the playoff success each player had. it should go Price - Greinke - Ryu - Kershaw. I know this sounds bizarre, but hear me out.
Kershaw maybe the greatest we have seen during the regular seasons but he has not done well in playoffs, a sign of a young kid with a relatively fragile mental makeup who feels the pressure of playoff stigma. he needs to have less pressure on him and start facilitate an environment where he can gain some success there. have him pitch game 3 or 4 with maybe 5 to 6 innings of work, then even if he is well, pull him. this way, we keep re-enforcing a positive memories in him and start making him feel success in playoffs is the norm. once we can accomplish this, only then we can throw him back out at the wolves and tread his own water. if we don't do this right and let Donnie Nutballs keep sending him out there on short rests and leave him out there until he breaks, he will break eventually. he isn't a grizzly vet despite his accomplishments already. he is still a kid at what, 27?

Ryu had a ton of success as the only star of his lowly South Korean team the eagles since his rookie year, he is used to pressure.

Price was the ace of attendance lacking Tampa, the classic unwanted team from a small market, and led them to a world series birth. he can handle the pressure.

Greinke is that grizzly vet we can throw out there, but with his social anxiety, I think he fits better as your #2 starter as he has proven he can already.

so Kershaw needs to be tampered for a year or two in the playoffs, but the dividends from it could be a dominance for the remainder of his contract and beyond. it's worth it.

Price - Greinke - Ryu - Kershaw. and if we are up 2-0 in the first round, skip Ryu and go with Kershaw.

I am telling you guys, this will payoff in the long run.

and Price is right for Price, with no draft pick to be lost.

about Zach, I think he is still young and have at least the ceiling for Billinglsey's prime, but i don't really mind as a trade bait as we have Urias coming up in a couple of years. the problem i see with this scenario i threw in is that, in 2 years, our rotation would be too lefty heavy as Kerahw - Price - Ryu - Urias are all lefties, leaving Greinke as our lone righty.
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Re: the 2014 OffSeason Thread. 

Post#78 » by Quake Griffin » Sat Nov 1, 2014 10:56 pm

Price is a no go in QG's world. Here's why with a few things you got wrong in sizing him up***

1) he has another year with Detroit

2) he's struggled in the playoffs. Thank God he played in Tampa or he would have never heard the end of it.

3) He was only a reliever for the 08 team.
Shields, Kazmir, Garza, Sonnanstine handled the starts for that 08 team.


Now, i'm all about another ace....which is why I'm looking at Shields, Lester....asking about Sale...because I'm willing to try almost anything to bring in another ace.

I'm completely with you. It has to be another ace. If it's another serviceable pitcher who does well for us, he'll be pitching Kershaw again on 3 days rest in the NLDS....this is why it has to be an ace....someone with enough respect from Mattingly and a mandate from the public to where he can't justify sitting him in Game 4 of the NLDS.

it's truly protecting donnie from himself.




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I meant Howie Kendrick. I'm a proponent of him taking over the duties at 2B. He's just a better player than Dee Gordon imo and has pop in his bat.
but I'm with you too....I want EA to start at SS. His glove is good enough to put up a 2 WAR imo even if he doesnt hit at all at the major league level.
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Re: the 2014 OffSeason Thread. 

Post#79 » by Quake Griffin » Sat Nov 1, 2014 11:06 pm

Seager is gonna be on the Arizona Fall League All star Game tonight.

starts in an hour if anyone wants to take a look at him.
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Post#80 » by Neddy » Sun Nov 2, 2014 12:31 am

Im watching it.
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