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Re: Is Lebron Gunna Bolt? 

Post#21 » by calibanPK » Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:22 pm

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L&H_05 wrote:Everyone says Shaq.. Yet, they can't provide one other example except this one from 12 years ago....

.. it's because a player/personality like Shaq and LeBron does not come around too often. Sure great players come along (Dirk, Duncan, Nash, etc.) but none of them have the multi-media quailty of these two. They'd probably say the same thing about Kobe if we wasn't already playing for the Lakers. Again, I don't wanna see LeBrom leave, but it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility.


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Post#22 » by TheOUTLAW » Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:13 pm

There is virtually no logical reason that anyone could argue that LeBron can't become a global icon in Cleveland. First you'd have to argue that LeBron is not already a global icon. I think it's kinda silly to even try.

People also always mention Shaq, but I'm pretty sure that Shaq left before there was a salary cap which is precisely why he received the huge contract that he did.
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Post#23 » by GuyClinch » Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:56 pm

I think he will leave. With Lebron endorsements > salary. He could be huge in NYC. He likes the Yankees..

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Post#24 » by durka » Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:00 pm

Chubby Chaser wrote:Wouldn't suprise me one bit if Lebron leaves. I'm actually suprised he's STILL on the cavs. Seriously, who wants to live in Ohio?? I hate to say it. But Lebron is made for the Big Stage.

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Post#25 » by Rise Against » Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:53 am

It really isn't anything new.. These posters arrive at least once in every two days? Especially Knicks fans.
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Re: Is Lebron Gunna Bolt? 

Post#26 » by Cevap » Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:01 am

TheOUTLAW wrote:There is virtually no logical reason that anyone could argue that LeBron can't become a global icon in Cleveland. First you'd have to argue that LeBron is not already a global icon. I think it's kinda silly to even try.

People also always mention Shaq, but I'm pretty sure that Shaq left before there was a salary cap which is precisely why he received the huge contract that he did.

There was a salary cap but there was no max contract type of thing back in 96.
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Re: Is Lebron Gunna Bolt? 

Post#27 » by Wise1 » Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:29 am

The Mo Williams acquisition, imo, vaults Cleveland into the second slot behind Boston in the East. Until that trade, I saw Cleveland as a team that had plataued and would not have another 50 win season. This move/winning probably will restore Lebron's faith in the Cleveland franchise. I don't see him leaving if the Cavaliers are better than the teams that are alleged to be courting him. Is leaving a winner to play for a loser for less money a good PR move????

If Lebron is really serious about his global marketing aspirations, then I can see New Jersey at least having a shot. If Yi Jianlian doesn't completely flame out before 2010, Lebron could win China by turning Yi into a player on a contender. That may motivate him more than his relationship with Jay-Z.
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Post#28 » by Baseline Runner » Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:31 pm

Lebron is one of the few star players in history that plays in his same hometown. Lebron is already the most famous basketball player in the world. Moving to New York isn't going to make him any more famous, only championships will.

Jordan was playing in a decaying rust belt city in Chicago in the eighties and nineties, not much more than a larger sized Cleveland. Chicago has almost nothing of an entertainment or media industry, yet Jordan became a global icon not because of his city but because of his basketball accomplishments.
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Post#29 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:31 pm

Baseline Runner wrote:Jordan was playing in a decaying rust belt city in Chicago in the eighties and nineties, not much more than a larger sized Cleveland. Chicago has almost nothing of an entertainment or media industry, yet Jordan became a global icon not because of his city but because of his basketball accomplishments.


Are you serious? :lol:

Anyways, if Lebron were to leave, it shouldn't really come as a shock to anyone. Cleveland is bleeding when it comes to people packing there stuff up and bouncing out to somewhere else.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/07/cleveland_leads_big_cities_in.html

If Cleveland can pick up another young all-star (very likely IMO), I think Lebron stays. It's not like the Nets would have any great players to pair him up with.
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Post#30 » by rjgraca » Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:42 pm

It's the same old reasoning used by big market media outlets to suggest that Lebron will make more money when he moves there. Most of these writers forget that Lebron already makes more in endorsements than any other player and that it is a world economy that he would be focusing on not just one US market. That's why players like Lebron play in the Olympics and world games for greater exposure around the world -- not just the U.S.

I don't see what the big deal is that Lebron roots for teams outside Northeast Ohio for other sports.
I know a lot of people around Northeast Ohio that are not fans of the local teams since they were not that good when they grew up.

Even with the signing of Delonte West, the CAVs are protecting their cap space for 2010 which could make it very likely that they have the cap space available to resign Lebron and sign another All-Star type player in 2010.
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Re: Is Lebron Gunna Bolt? 

Post#31 » by Icness » Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:22 pm

Baseline Runner wrote:Lebron is one of the few star players in history that plays in his same hometown. Lebron is already the most famous basketball player in the world. Moving to New York isn't going to make him any more famous, only championships will.

Jordan was playing in a decaying rust belt city in Chicago in the eighties and nineties, not much more than a larger sized Cleveland. Chicago has almost nothing of an entertainment or media industry, yet Jordan became a global icon not because of his city but because of his basketball accomplishments.


You've never been to Chicago, have you :nonono:

But I do agree that MJ became an icon not because of where he played, but how he played. He had a charismatic smile, an exciting game, and an ability to connect with non-basketball fans. Lebron has that too. My mother-in-law would never watch one second of basketball, but she likes Lebron.
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Re: Is Lebron Gunna Bolt? 

Post#32 » by T0R0NT0_RAPT0RS » Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:43 pm

Some more fuel to add to the fire (not trying to "start" something, just reporting the news)...

From Newsday.com
"The Knicks are not worried about me," Wade said. "They're worried about No. 23, and he's in Cleveland."

"First of all, No. 23 is 23 years old," Wade said. "He's young. He's very young. He's one of the best players in the game and you only could see him getting better. I'm in a good market in Miami. He's not in a good market in Cleveland, marketing-wise, so it just makes sense that everyone wants to see one of the best players in one of the best markets.

"Kobe's in one of the best markets already in L.A. Everybody wants LeBron in a great market, and that's why they already put him in a New York jersey. It's going to be a lot to decide for him. So I just get all the attention off me and throw it on him, so it's easy."
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Re: Is Lebron Gunna Bolt? 

Post#33 » by B Mac » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:40 pm

I might be wrong on this, but I thought I read an article one time that said Cleveland was actually a bigger market than Miami... If thats the case then not only is Wade talking out of his backside, then he's also wrong on his statements. Either way its a pretty crappy way of showing your friendship to someone by throwing them under the bus and taking the pressure off yourself by putting it on someone else.
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Re: Is Lebron Gunna Bolt? 

Post#34 » by prekazi » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:51 pm

How is LeBron sleeping with all these hype surrounding him since the high school. I mean people are discussing about his life non-stop. We're in 2008 and people are talking about 2010 like it's tomorrow. It's amazing how mature he is with all this endless pressure coming from everwhere.(media, city of Cleveland, fans, haters, endorsers...)
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Re: Is Lebron Gunna Bolt? 

Post#35 » by calibanPK » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:01 pm

Personally I think Lebron will have the last laugh when all is said and done, and Cleveland will be very happy.
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Post#36 » by TheOUTLAW » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:14 pm

B Mac wrote:I might be wrong on this, but I thought I read an article one time that said Cleveland was actually a bigger market than Miami... If thats the case then not only is Wade talking out of his backside, then he's also wrong on his statements. Either way its a pretty crappy way of showing your friendship to someone by throwing them under the bus and taking the pressure off yourself by putting it on someone else.



I would not at all be surprised to hear this. But the most recent one that I saw had Cleveland just behind Miami (the problem with this is that I'm not sure they counted all of Cleveland's media market which is considered to be Cleveland, Youngstown, Akron, Canton, Elyria and Lorain. For all intents and purposes the Cavs market goes all the way down to Columbus and really should encompass Cincinnati as well (but it doesn't because they don't really show the games down here). The Cavs market is huge because they really don't have any competition for professional basketball in Ohio at all. The nearest team is Detroit and then Indiana and no rational person would like either of those teams.
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Re: Is Lebron Gunna Bolt? 

Post#37 » by DASMACKDOWN » Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:12 pm

To tell you the truth, I believe its all just a scheme to get more money at the end of the day. Trust me, a player LOVES the fact that people will think he will leave for the highest bidder or better opportunity. It only makes them get more money regardless. In my mind, Lebron isnt going to leave. But why not have most of the media and your team believe that you may possibly leave? He will be in position to get the best possible contract known to man from the Cavs.
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Re: Is Lebron Gunna Bolt? 

Post#38 » by calibanPK » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:55 pm

DASMACKDOWN wrote:To tell you the truth, I believe its all just a scheme to get more money at the end of the day. Trust me, a player LOVES the fact that people will think he will leave for the highest bidder or better opportunity. It only makes them get more money regardless. In my mind, Lebron isnt going to leave. But why not have most of the media and your team believe that you may possibly leave? He will be in position to get the best possible contract known to man from the Cavs.


That's what I'm thinking as well, Lebron is a smart guy. He has come a long way in terms of business dealings from when he first came into the league. He was the first one to sign that smaller contract extension with that player option, and got Wade to do the same because he knew that by taking that extension he will be in line to make the maximum possible money. Melo was the fool.

He's just sitting there on his loungechair sippin lemonade and crackin smiles at all the speculations. It would only be detrimental to him if he said "Im staying in Cleveland for sure - 100%" Why would teams throw money at Lebron then if he adamantly says he doesn't want to play anywhere else? But basically that is what Lebron has to say in order for everyone to shutup about him possibly playing somewhere else. He won't do that, so all the rumors and speculations will continue until he signs something in 2010. He's a genius for keeping his mouth shut on the matter. Businessman first, Basketball's the afterthought.

Until then, get ready for 2 more years of all this BS talk.
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Post#39 » by Hemingway » Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:11 pm

Is there any chance of a sign and trade for LBJ? With a guy so good you can't help but look for every way to get him on your team. My team is way over the cap though. If LBJ tells the cavs he is not going to resign but would like to go to a team that is over the cap, would the cavs facilitate this? I'm a celtics fan and the only thing I can dream up is a trade based around PP(but I can't bare to part with paul) or a resigned Ray Allen. My dream scenario is a sign and trade deal with Ray Allen signed for one year (or more if you want) at what ever money it takes to make the deal work, also Rondo and Perk or TOny or who ever else you want not KG or PP, 3 firsts and 3 mil cash. Is there any way this could ever happen? can sign and trades happen where there is signing and trading going on on both sides? Did my last sentance even make sense?

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Post#40 » by old skool » Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:19 pm

Lebron's situation will encourage the NBA to modify the cba to allow Cleveland to pay him more money. The risk the Cavs run is not that he will go to another NBA team, but that he might go to Europe. The NBA cannot afford to risk losing Lebron - so watch for the cba to be modified.

As far as a sign and trade, there is no way the Cavs will send Lebron somewhere on a sign and trade. The PR hit would be massive.

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