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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#161 » by zol2332 » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:40 pm

soxfan2003 wrote:Celtic fan here.

Now I don't think what I'm proposing is realistic simply because I believe the Celtics would have to agree to terms with KG (assuming he doesn't retire) and either sign or renounce Ray Allen but would Cavs fans be interested in Anderson Varejao for the 21st and 22nd picks in the draft?

Why for Cleveland? The Cavs could be real good in 3 years if they build the right way through the draft. Losing Varajao makes it a little easier to get 1-2 more good draft picks. And Varejao won't be as big of a contributor in 3 years since he will be 32. Admittedly, I am not a fan of Sullinger's potential but the Cavs might be able to draft someone like Sullinger with one of those 2 picks.

Why for Boston? Varejao could take some pressure off of KG and be that second big man defender. The Celtics could also benefit from his offensive rebounding. The 21st and 22nd picks may be able to snag one good contributor next year at a real low salary but chances are that player won't be as good as Varejao next year. And chances are those picks won't fill as big of a need.

I appreciate the thought, and I do believe that the trade has a degree of merit simply because it was rumored to have been discussed in the first half of the season last year. That said, it's a bad deal for the Cavs as it stands right now. The Cavs already have 4, 24, 33, and 34 in this draft. At his point, they are trying to get rid of picks to move up because they don't want 4 rookies. Having 6 picks would only put us in a bigger bind. We could package them, but if this deal was to be done, it would likely be a 3 team trade for a higher pick. That said, I do believe the Cavs over-value AV beyond his physical talent at this point (not that he's a slouch) simply due to him being the only remaining veteran presence for a young team. Can't learn from a better vet than a hustling big like Andy.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#162 » by soxfan2003 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:18 am

zol2332 wrote:
soxfan2003 wrote:Celtic fan here.

Now I don't think what I'm proposing is realistic simply because I believe the Celtics would have to agree to terms with KG (assuming he doesn't retire) and either sign or renounce Ray Allen but would Cavs fans be interested in Anderson Varejao for the 21st and 22nd picks in the draft?

Why for Cleveland? The Cavs could be real good in 3 years if they build the right way through the draft. Losing Varajao makes it a little easier to get 1-2 more good draft picks. And Varejao won't be as big of a contributor in 3 years since he will be 32. Admittedly, I am not a fan of Sullinger's potential but the Cavs might be able to draft someone like Sullinger with one of those 2 picks.

Why for Boston? Varejao could take some pressure off of KG and be that second big man defender. The Celtics could also benefit from his offensive rebounding. The 21st and 22nd picks may be able to snag one good contributor next year at a real low salary but chances are that player won't be as good as Varejao next year. And chances are those picks won't fill as big of a need.

I appreciate the thought, and I do believe that the trade has a degree of merit simply because it was rumored to have been discussed in the first half of the season last year. That said, it's a bad deal for the Cavs as it stands right now. The Cavs already have 4, 24, 33, and 34 in this draft. At his point, they are trying to get rid of picks to move up because they don't want 4 rookies. Having 6 picks would only put us in a bigger bind. We could package them, but if this deal was to be done, it would likely be a 3 team trade for a higher pick. That said, I do believe the Cavs over-value AV beyond his physical talent at this point (not that he's a slouch) simply due to him being the only remaining veteran presence for a young team. Can't learn from a better vet than a hustling big like Andy.


I forgot about the Cavs having so many picks this year. Four first rounders and 6 fairly high picks doesn't probably make sense so you are right a third team would have to get involved. And the Cavs may have to get back a decent locker room presence as well. If Varejao is traded by the Cavs, perhaps it does make the most sense for it to be right before the trading deadline to someone that would be a contender with him. A team like the Celtics may be able to give up a bit more if they think it could make them a serious contender for the last time.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#163 » by Harper4Ferry? » Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:15 pm

Can we get up to #2 if we prefer Beal? I'm not sue what the Bobcats would want, but we could probably assume a contract if that's all it took.
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Kings/Cavs swap 4 and 5 

Post#164 » by City of Trees » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:43 am

Lets assume

1. Davis
2. T Rob
3. Beal
4.______

At this point where does CLE stand? Personally I would love to see the Kings get MKG. If MKG is the pick for CLE what would it take to trade picks? If not MKG why do you value Barnes over him? Thanks guys.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#165 » by City of Trees » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:47 am

TheOUTLAW wrote:I thought that Sacramento was supposed to be very interested in Drummond?



Rumor has it Lillard really blew Sacramento brass away in workouts. So much so he is now considered a possibility at 5. However the usual suspects are still in play. Who ever drops out of the top 5 (T Rob, Beal, Barnes, MKG) will probably be the pick. Drummond is a great project but the Kings are looking for high IQ players ready to contribute. Who knows I could be wrong but I dont see the Kings taking Drummond.
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Re: Kings/Cavs swap 4 and 5 

Post#166 » by tidho » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:48 am

No trade necessary.
I believe the Cavaliers board looks like this: Davis, Beal, Barnes.

They value Barnes over Kidd-Gilchrist because Barnes can shoot.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#167 » by thetrapman » Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:15 am

Harper4Ferry? wrote:Can we get up to #2 if we prefer Beal? I'm not sue what the Bobcats would want, but we could probably assume a contract if that's all it took.

Is Beal and MKG difference is Durant & Mike Conley alike, THEN DO EVERYTHING TO DO THAT TRADE.

but if we're talking about relatively same players, then no.
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Re: Kings/Cavs swap 4 and 5 

Post#168 » by mcfly1204 » Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:55 pm

Remove some protection from the pick Sacramento owes Cleveland and call it a day.
Well at least we're not Detroit!
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Re: Kings/Cavs swap 4 and 5 

Post#169 » by thetrapman » Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:58 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:Remove some protection from the pick Sacramento owes Cleveland and call it a day.

ha, we wish.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#170 » by sdg2001 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:33 pm

Two draft related trades:

Trade 1 - Varejao and #24 to Warriors for #7 (supposedly this has already been offered to the Cavs, who turned it down)

Trade 2 - #7 + #34 in 2012 and Sacramento's 1st round pick in 2013 + Cavs 2nd round pick in 2013 for Charlotte's #2 pick (who knows, if Charlotte isn't crazy about anyone, maybe they bite?)

Cavs draft Beal #2 and MKG at #4
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#171 » by Skin » Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:42 am

Magic fan here.

Would you absorb the contract for Jason Richardson if we included this year's 19th overall pick?

This is his deal:
2012-13 $5,799,625
2013-14 $6,204,250
2014-2015 $6,601,125 (Player Option)
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#172 » by zol2332 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:51 am

Skin wrote:Magic fan here.

Would you absorb the contract for Jason Richardson if we included this year's 19th overall pick?

This is his deal:
2012-13 $5,799,625
2013-14 $6,204,250
2014-2015 $6,601,125 (Player Option)

Yep. We have plenty of cap room, need to fill some roster space anyhow at the wing, and could then send 4 & 24 to Charlotte for 2 without batting an eye. I'll alert Luke Walton that he gets to spend this year at Disney World.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#173 » by Skin » Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:13 am

zol2332 wrote:
Skin wrote:Magic fan here.

Would you absorb the contract for Jason Richardson if we included this year's 19th overall pick?

This is his deal:
2012-13 $5,799,625
2013-14 $6,204,250
2014-2015 $6,601,125 (Player Option)

Yep. We have plenty of cap room, need to fill some roster space anyhow at the wing, and could then send 4 & 24 to Charlotte for 2 without batting an eye. I'll alert Luke Walton that he gets to spend this year at Disney World.

I meant without ORL taking back salary. Being under the cap you could absorb his deal. Maybe for trade technicality we'd have to swap something like 2nd rounders or something. So we couldn't take back Walton.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#174 » by Niko23 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:21 am

The 19th pick in the draft is not worth $18 million IMO
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#175 » by gflem » Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:34 am

18 million is a lot, but it may only be 12 million or so due to the player option. Richardson may not want to be here for 3 years. Personally I think he would opt in to collect, but you never know. And to be honest he is overpaid, but 6 mil per year isnt really a lot in NBA terms, unless the team has a plan for free agency and that contract restricts the plan.
On the surface I would give this deal serious thought, but I dont know what the teams future plans are, but if Gee leaves in FA we will not only still be weak and or young at the wing positions but short on bodies as well. So, I would be good with this deal, at the very least it could give us more options to move up to get the player(s) the team really covets.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#176 » by zol2332 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:42 am

Skin wrote:
zol2332 wrote:
Skin wrote:Magic fan here.

Would you absorb the contract for Jason Richardson if we included this year's 19th overall pick?

This is his deal:
2012-13 $5,799,625
2013-14 $6,204,250
2014-2015 $6,601,125 (Player Option)

Yep. We have plenty of cap room, need to fill some roster space anyhow at the wing, and could then send 4 & 24 to Charlotte for 2 without batting an eye. I'll alert Luke Walton that he gets to spend this year at Disney World.

I meant without ORL taking back salary. Being under the cap you could absorb his deal. Maybe for trade technicality we'd have to swap something like 2nd rounders or something. So we couldn't take back Walton.

Excellent point. You can have next year's 2nd back while we take your following year's 2nd.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#177 » by Skin » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:29 am

Niko23 wrote:The 19th pick in the draft is not worth $18 million IMO

Depends what you're getting at 19... Perry Jones, Terence Jones, Royce White, Jared Sullinger, Fab Melo, Quincy Miller, Moe Harkless, Andrew Nicholson, Tony Wroten...

Make the right pick and you could find a starting caliber player paying him a million something a year...
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#178 » by sdg2001 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:33 am

Cavs send Varejao + 24th pick to Warriors
Cavs send Sacramento their 2013 first round pick back

Warriors send 7th pick to Sacramento

Sacramento sends 5th pick to Cavs.

Thoughts?
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#179 » by sdg2001 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:03 am

In fact, taking it one step further, wouldn't Charlotte trade #2 and Tyrus Thomas for #5 - especially if they knew they would land either Thomas Robinson or Harrison Barnes (assuming That either Wahington or Cavs draft MKG)?
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#180 » by thetrapman » Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:57 pm

sdg2001 wrote:In fact, taking it one step further, wouldn't Charlotte trade #2 and Tyrus Thomas for #5 - especially if they knew they would land either Thomas Robinson or Harrison Barnes (assuming That either Wahington or Cavs draft MKG)?


omfg someone promote you to GM and do this trade already...

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