Trade Ideas (Part III)

[Stillwater]

My guess would be a 1st more than an expiring. They have a pretty low payroll.

They could do something like this...

To PDX: Love, Hood, Sefolosha
To CLE: McCollum, Favors
To UTA: Crowder, Mirotic
To CHI: Harkless, Vonleh, CLE 1st

Cav's won't trade Love for CJ , but if they would the trade is pretty close otherwise ,except that the Bulls are not getting that much for Niko so it's a no go imo.

I might consider this if we were keeping both expiring contracts. We could probably still pull off another minor trade with those.

If we are bringing in CJ and NOT moving IT3 that would be the weakest defensive back court in the league.
Not too mention Favors is not close to being as effective as Love has been for us, and would require more moves happened prior to this deal imo.

[jbk1234]

Cav's won't trade Love for CJ , but if they would the trade is pretty close otherwise ,except that the Bulls are not getting that much for Niko so it's a no go imo.

I might consider this if we were keeping both expiring contracts. We could probably still pull off another minor trade with those.

If we are bringing in CJ and NOT moving IT3 that would be the weakest defensive back court in the league.
Not too mention Favors is not close to being as effective as Love has been for us, and would require more moves happened prior to this deal imo.

No, I've got an IT to Denver in the trade thread. I'm not asking for a whole lot back.

[DusterBuster]

I honestly don't know whether the expiring contract or the 1st would be more important to the Bulls but I don't feel like Mirotic is enough to do demand both. Same with Favors tbh.

My guess would be a 1st more than an expiring. They have a pretty low payroll.

They could do something like this...

To PDX: Love, Hood, Sefolosha
To CLE: McCollum, Favors
To UTA: Crowder, Mirotic
To CHI: Harkless, Vonleh, CLE 1st

Cav's won't trade Love for CJ , but if they would the trade is pretty close otherwise ,except that the Bulls are not getting that much for Niko so it's a no go imo.

Vonleh could be removed to stay in Portland. They have an empty roster spot for a 2 for 3 deal.

[Stillwater]

I might consider this if we were keeping both expiring contracts. We could probably still pull off another minor trade with those.

If we are bringing in CJ and NOT moving IT3 that would be the weakest defensive back court in the league.
Not too mention Favors is not close to being as effective as Love has been for us, and would require more moves happened prior to this deal imo.

No, I've got an IT to Denver in the trade thread. I'm not asking for a whole lot back.

Yeah I saw it, and Barton would be a nice stop gap for the slumping Smith, but I get the impression Denver intends to give him a nice payday this summer.But, If they would take IT3 for Barton I would do it in a heartbeat. I just wouldn't trade Love for Favors and CJ regardless, unless our pick wasn't involved and Smith is moved in another deal w/ our 1st for a pg.

[jbk1234]

If we are bringing in CJ and NOT moving IT3 that would be the weakest defensive back court in the league.
Not too mention Favors is not close to being as effective as Love has been for us, and would require more moves happened prior to this deal imo.

No, I've got an IT to Denver in the trade thread. I'm not asking for a whole lot back.

Yeah I saw it, and Barton would be a nice stop gap for the slumping Smith, but I get the impression Denver intends to give him a nice payday this summer.But, If they would take IT3 for Barton I would do it in a heartbeat. I just wouldn't trade Love for Favors and CJ regardless, unless our pick wasn't involved and Smith is moved in another deal w/ our 1st for a pg.

Denver is not re-signing Barton. They've got major cap issues staring them in the face starting this summer when the Harris extension kicks in.

[jbk1234]

I'm not even a little bit surprised.

Read on Twitter

[bulls4ever]

My guess would be a 1st more than an expiring. They have a pretty low payroll.

They could do something like this...

To PDX: Love, Hood, Sefolosha
To CLE: McCollum, Favors
To UTA: Crowder, Mirotic
To CHI: Harkless, Vonleh, CLE 1st

Cav's won't trade Love for CJ , but if they would the trade is pretty close otherwise ,except that the Bulls are not getting that much for Niko so it's a no go imo.

Vonleh could be removed to stay in Portland. They have an empty roster spot for a 2 for 3 deal.

bulls have no need for Vonleh and very unlikely will want harkless. For Cle 1st Bulls would likely try trading Rolo
Bulls would take Favors before any of this.
on top of that 4 team trades are complex and rare.

Bulls want 1st round and not take on bad contracts. I bet the reason nothing happened is because the offers have bad contracts attached. Bulls will likely take on the bad contract(s) and get a good pick. (utah, piston, portland type of picks) or nets if we take a couple of bad contracts. else, will probably just keep him.

[Stillwater]

No, I've got an IT to Denver in the trade thread. I'm not asking for a whole lot back.

Yeah I saw it, and Barton would be a nice stop gap for the slumping Smith, but I get the impression Denver intends to give him a nice payday this summer.But, If they would take IT3 for Barton I would do it in a heartbeat. I just wouldn't trade Love for Favors and CJ regardless, unless our pick wasn't involved and Smith is moved in another deal w/ our 1st for a pg.

Denver is not re-signing Barton. They've got major cap issues staring them in the face starting this summer when the Harris extension kicks in.

Maybe not but they should, so wouldn't surprise me if they figure out how to do so.
If Barton's told them he's anticipating a huge payday and they can't get rid of Chandler or any other restricted fa to avoid the lux they'll be looking for expirings like Frye or IT and trying to move Arthur or Chandler or Farried all to avoid it.
Maybe they are not as high on keeping Barton as I have heard , but if they are,and we still managed to trade for him it'll probably cost Osman for a rental we can't pay this summer ...don't see Altman going there unless he can get rid of Isaiah and hold onto Cedi incase LeBron tucks tail and ends his legacy a vagabond.

[jbk1234]

Yeah I saw it, and Barton would be a nice stop gap for the slumping Smith, but I get the impression Denver intends to give him a nice payday this summer.But, If they would take IT3 for Barton I would do it in a heartbeat. I just wouldn't trade Love for Favors and CJ regardless, unless our pick wasn't involved and Smith is moved in another deal w/ our 1st for a pg.

Denver is not re-signing Barton. They've got major cap issues staring them in the face starting this summer when the Harris extension kicks in.

Maybe not but they should, so wouldn't surprise me if they figure out how to do so.
If Barton's told them he's anticipating a huge payday and they can't get rid of Chandler or any other restricted fa to avoid the lux they'll be looking for expirings like Frye or IT and trying to move Arthur or Chandler or Farried all to avoid it.
Maybe they are not as high on keeping Barton as I have heard , but if they are,and we still managed to trade for him it'll probably cost Osman for a rental we can't pay this summer ...don't see Altman going there unless he can get rid of Isaiah.

There is no figuring out how to do it. Jokic is a RFA this summer. Look at their payroll. https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/DEN.html

[jbk1234]

Looks like the Kings are trying to get a third team involved to make the Hill trade happen:

Read on Twitter

[Stillwater]

Denver is not re-signing Barton. They've got major cap issues staring them in the face starting this summer when the Harris extension kicks in.

Maybe not but they should, so wouldn't surprise me if they figure out how to do so.
If Barton's told them he's anticipating a huge payday and they can't get rid of Chandler or any other restricted fa to avoid the lux they'll be looking for expirings like Frye or IT and trying to move Arthur or Chandler or Farried all to avoid it.
Maybe they are not as high on keeping Barton as I have heard , but if they are,and we still managed to trade for him it'll probably cost Osman for a rental we can't pay this summer ...don't see Altman going there unless he can get rid of Isaiah.

There is no figuring out how to do it. Jokic is a RFA this summer. Look at their payroll. https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/DEN.html

Yeah I know, But I though Chandler wanted out, not sure if he would opt out this summer or not,but that would be one way.
Jokic is a team option, so even if they did something other than keep him on the same curve going into unrestricted fa in 19-20 , they would have to clear space more than Barton to avoid the lux right?
So I guess it would be easier for Denver to just part ways with Barton at the deadline despite him having a great season , but seems like they would just take their chances he will re-sign on a reasonable 1 year deal or something until Chandler comes off the books the following summer assuming he opts in.
I would think Farried and Plumlee would be the 2 contracts that they are trying to move if there are no takers for Chandler at the deadline ahead of a player they want to keep like Barton that will fall off the books if they can't retain him anyway.

[jbk1234]

Maybe not but they should, so wouldn't surprise me if they figure out how to do so.
If Barton's told them he's anticipating a huge payday and they can't get rid of Chandler or any other restricted fa to avoid the lux they'll be looking for expirings like Frye or IT and trying to move Arthur or Chandler or Farried all to avoid it.
Maybe they are not as high on keeping Barton as I have heard , but if they are,and we still managed to trade for him it'll probably cost Osman for a rental we can't pay this summer ...don't see Altman going there unless he can get rid of Isaiah.

There is no figuring out how to do it. Jokic is a RFA this summer. Look at their payroll. https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/DEN.html

Yeah I know, But I though Chandler wanted out, not sure if he would opt out this summer or not,but that would be one way.
Jokic is a team option, so even if they did something other than keep him on the same curve going into unrestricted fa in 19-20 , they would have to clear space more than Barton to avoid the lux right?
So I guess it would be easier for Denver to just part ways with Barton at the deadline despite him having a great season , but seems like they would just take their chances he will re-sign on a reasonable 1 year deal or something until Chandler comes off the books the following summer assuming he opts in.
I would think Farried and Plumlee would be the 2 contracts that they are trying to move if there are no takers for Chandler at the deadline ahead of a player they want to keep like Barton that will fall off the books if they can't retain him anyway.

There are no takers for any of those guys. Chandler has a P.O. which he won't pick up so it doesn't make any sense to pay to dump him. But the Nuggets are kind of notorious for asking too much for their players and then holding them until they no longer have trade value.

[DusterBuster]

Looks like the Kings are trying to get a third team involved to make the Hill trade happen:

Read on Twitter

Kings sure are desperate to get rid of Hill. I wonder if he requested a trade and this is basically his agent running the show or if something more happened behind the scenes/in the lockerroom.

[jbk1234]

Looks like the Kings are trying to get a third team involved to make the Hill trade happen:

Read on Twitter

Kings sure our desperate to get rid of Hill. I wonder if he requested a trade and this is basically his agent running the show or if something more happened behind the scenes/in the lockerroom.

Of course he requested a trade. He's on the back nine of his prime and he's racking up DNPs because the Kings announced their sitting their vets as part of the *rebuilding* process.

[DusterBuster]

Looks like the Kings are trying to get a third team involved to make the Hill trade happen:

Read on Twitter

Kings sure our desperate to get rid of Hill. I wonder if he requested a trade and this is basically his agent running the show or if something more happened behind the scenes/in the lockerroom.

Of course he requested a trade. He's on the back nine of his prime and he's racking up DNPs because the Kings announced their sitting their vets as part of the *rebuilding* process.

What was the holdup on the deal, did that ever get reported?

[jbk1234]

Kings sure our desperate to get rid of Hill. I wonder if he requested a trade and this is basically his agent running the show or if something more happened behind the scenes/in the lockerroom.

Of course he requested a trade. He's on the back nine of his prime and he's racking up DNPs because the Kings announced their sitting their vets as part of the *rebuilding* process.

What was the holdup on the deal, did that ever get reported?

Yeah they want a first on top of the salary relief and the Cavs aren't going to give it.

[Stillwater]

There is no figuring out how to do it. Jokic is a RFA this summer. Look at their payroll. https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/DEN.html

Yeah I know, But I though Chandler wanted out, not sure if he would opt out this summer or not,but that would be one way.
Jokic is a team option, so even if they did something other than keep him on the same curve going into unrestricted fa in 19-20 , they would have to clear space more than Barton to avoid the lux right?
So I guess it would be easier for Denver to just part ways with Barton at the deadline despite him having a great season , but seems like they would just take their chances he will re-sign on a reasonable 1 year deal or something until Chandler comes off the books the following summer assuming he opts in.
I would think Farried and Plumlee would be the 2 contracts that they are trying to move if there are no takers for Chandler at the deadline ahead of a player they want to keep like Barton that will fall off the books if they can't retain him anyway.

There are no takers for any of those guys. Chandler has a P.O. which he won't pick up so it doesn't make any sense to pay to dump him. But the Nuggets are kind of notorious for asking too much for their players and then holding them until they no longer have trade value.

I'd send Frye and IT expirings and we get Barton & a 2nd for taking on an extra year of Faried.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7003820
Then move others in a deal for a pg.
Zizic & one of Rose or Jose and our 2021 1st lottery protected for Payton:
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7003827
Then trade Thompson ,Shump,Crowder & our 1st 2018 & 2020 Miami 2nd(or Nets pick top 10 protected and if not conveyed they get our own and the 2020 2nd.)to Dallas for Noel and Curry's expirings and Barnes:https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7003837
this would leave us:
Payton/Wade 1 of Rose/Calderon
Barton/Smith/Curry
LBJ or Barnes/Korver/Osman
LBJ or Barnes/Green/Faried
Noel/Faried
2 open roster spots for post deadline signings.

[jbk1234]

Yeah I know, But I though Chandler wanted out, not sure if he would opt out this summer or not,but that would be one way.
Jokic is a team option, so even if they did something other than keep him on the same curve going into unrestricted fa in 19-20 , they would have to clear space more than Barton to avoid the lux right?
So I guess it would be easier for Denver to just part ways with Barton at the deadline despite him having a great season , but seems like they would just take their chances he will re-sign on a reasonable 1 year deal or something until Chandler comes off the books the following summer assuming he opts in.
I would think Farried and Plumlee would be the 2 contracts that they are trying to move if there are no takers for Chandler at the deadline ahead of a player they want to keep like Barton that will fall off the books if they can't retain him anyway.

There are no takers for any of those guys. Chandler has a P.O. which he won't pick up so it doesn't make any sense to pay to dump him. But the Nuggets are kind of notorious for asking too much for their players and then holding them until they no longer have trade value.

I'd send Frye and IT expirings and we get Barton & a 2nd for taking on an extra year of Faried.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7003820
Then move others in a deal for a pg.
Zizic & one of Rose or Jose and our 2021 1st lottery protected for Payton:
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7003827
Then trade Thompson ,Shump,Crowder & our 1st 2018 & 2020 Miami 2nd(or Nets pick top 10 protected and if not conveyed they get our own and the 2020 2nd.)to Dallas for Noel and Curry's expirings and Barnes:https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7003837

I want no part of Faried. He's a poor man's TT. If Barton can be had for IT, and I suspect he could, great. If not, move on.

I have a feeling Elf might be available pretty cheaply on the day of the trade deadline.

I don't think that Dallas does that deal. I'm also not comfortable trading all those picks.

[Stillwater]

There are no takers for any of those guys. Chandler has a P.O. which he won't pick up so it doesn't make any sense to pay to dump him. But the Nuggets are kind of notorious for asking too much for their players and then holding them until they no longer have trade value.

I'd send Frye and IT expirings and we get Barton & a 2nd for taking on an extra year of Faried.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7003820
Then move others in a deal for a pg.
Zizic & one of Rose or Jose and our 2021 1st lottery protected for Payton:
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7003827
Then trade Thompson ,Shump,Crowder & our 1st 2018 & 2020 Miami 2nd(or Nets pick top 10 protected and if not conveyed they get our own and the 2020 2nd.)to Dallas for Noel and Curry's expirings and Barnes:https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7003837

I want no part of Faried. He's a poor man's TT. If Barton can be had for IT, and I suspect he could, great. If not, move on.

I have a feeling Elf might be available pretty cheaply on the day of the trade deadline.

I don't think that Dallas does that deal. I'm also not comfortable trading all those picks.

Yeah added the lineups post trades to my org post.
I agree none of this is all that likely to happen, and if Faried is the price of getting Barton we probably wouldn't do it.
It's difficult to gauge just how much roster turnover we will see, but it probably won't be nearly as much as it takes to get significantly better.
I don't think the Dallas deal would transfer the Nets pick so yeah they probably would pass.

[DusterBuster]

Of course he requested a trade. He's on the back nine of his prime and he's racking up DNPs because the Kings announced their sitting their vets as part of the *rebuilding* process.

What was the holdup on the deal, did that ever get reported?

Yeah they want a first on top of the salary relief and the Cavs aren't going to give it.

Not sure they deserve a 1st in return for Hill... I'm with CLE there.