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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#881 » by Okada » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:31 pm

fart wrote:I've always liked Green back to his days in OKC. if we acquire him, it takes us out of the running to sign a max contract in the summer correct? Also, I hope the Cavs explore a Gallenari trade, he is the perfect small forward for this team.


Not at all. We might lose the max cap room but that doesn't mean we won't have the flexibility to get it back if the right opportunity comes along. There's a team option on Bynum next year for over 12M we could shed before July 10th, for example.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#882 » by fart » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:45 pm

Can you Imagine if we get Green and Lebron returns in the summer? we could throw out one of the most Dynamic small ball lineups in the league.

Irving
Waiters
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Bron
Tristan/Andy

how many fast break points would that lineup average?
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#883 » by Niko23 » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:09 pm

Now reports saying Bass/C.Lee - Id puke if either come here. No thanks.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#884 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:50 pm

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fart wrote:I've always liked Green back to his days in OKC. if we acquire him, it takes us out of the running to sign a max contract in the summer correct? Also, I hope the Cavs explore a Gallenari trade, he is the perfect small forward for this team.


Not at all. We might lose the max cap room but that doesn't mean we won't have the flexibility to get it back if the right opportunity comes along. There's a team option on Bynum next year for over 12M we could shed before July 10th, for example.


If you move pure expirings for Green, yes, you would be out of a max free agent, even with waiving Bynum and Varejao for their non-guaranteed savings. You'd only have around $6m under the cap at that point.

If you do a swap of Varejao for Green, you'd add around $5m in cap space to put you at $11m or so. After that, you'd have to dump some combination of Jack, Tristan, Bennett, and Waiters to get up to max cap space for a Lebron-ish offer.


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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#885 » by B Mac » Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:06 am

Forget about it.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#886 » by Niko23 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:45 am

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fart wrote:I've always liked Green back to his days in OKC. if we acquire him, it takes us out of the running to sign a max contract in the summer correct? Also, I hope the Cavs explore a Gallenari trade, he is the perfect small forward for this team.


Not at all. We might lose the max cap room but that doesn't mean we won't have the flexibility to get it back if the right opportunity comes along. There's a team option on Bynum next year for over 12M we could shed before July 10th, for example.


If you move pure expirings for Green, yes, you would be out of a max free agent, even with waiving Bynum and Varejao for their non-guaranteed savings. You'd only have around $6m under the cap at that point.

If you do a swap of Varejao for Green, you'd add around $5m in cap space to put you at $11m or so. After that, you'd have to dump some combination of Jack, Tristan, Bennett, and Waiters to get up to max cap space for a Lebron-ish offer.

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I think we only have $36 million in guaranteed contracts next year. And if they had to - I think they could easily trade Bennett and Zeller which would shed another 5-6 million if a promising deal emerged
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#887 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:16 pm

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Not at all. We might lose the max cap room but that doesn't mean we won't have the flexibility to get it back if the right opportunity comes along. There's a team option on Bynum next year for over 12M we could shed before July 10th, for example.


If you move pure expirings for Green, yes, you would be out of a max free agent, even with waiving Bynum and Varejao for their non-guaranteed savings. You'd only have around $6m under the cap at that point.

If you do a swap of Varejao for Green, you'd add around $5m in cap space to put you at $11m or so. After that, you'd have to dump some combination of Jack, Tristan, Bennett, and Waiters to get up to max cap space for a Lebron-ish offer.

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I think we only have $36 million in guaranteed contracts next year. And if they had to - I think they could easily trade Bennett and Zeller which would shed another 5-6 million if a promising deal emerged


Well, yeah, you're at only around $37 m in guaranteed salary for next year if you waive Bynum, Gee, Clark, Felix, and Dellavedova for their completely non-guaranteed deals, as well as Varejao for his partially guaranteed deal ($4.5m) guaranteed.

However, the deal proposed traded those non-guaranteed deals for Jeff Greens deal. $46m-ish there. Add in your 1st round pick; another $2-3m. Salary roster holds to get to he minimum; you're over $50m on the books. If the cap rises to $62m, as predicted, it's room for a nice add, but definitely not a Lebron.


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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#888 » by Niko23 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:04 pm

What is a max contract for those guys starting at? 18m per year?
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#889 » by Scoot McGroot » Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:15 am

Niko23 wrote:What is a max contract for those guys starting at? 18m per year?


Which guys? The max for Miami's 3 is right at $20m each. Melo's would be $22.5. Anybody coming off their rookie deal would be eligible for a max of 25% of the salary cap (Paul George is the only one that could realistically be eligible for up to 30% super max, though he agreed to a 27.5% instead). A $62m cap would put a guy like Monroe at a max of $15.5-ish million.


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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#890 » by jbk1234 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:46 am

What do you guys think about buying cheap at SF? Putting together Gee and a second for Wesley Johnson?

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Wes ... mmary/4081
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#891 » by tidho » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:21 pm

jbk1234 wrote:What do you guys think about buying cheap at SF? Putting together Gee and a second for Wesley Johnson?

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Wes ... mmary/4081

What's LA's motivation?

Salaries dont' match up either. We'd need to get somebody else too which shifts the value equation in our favor.

I'd do it if we could though.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#892 » by jbk1234 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:01 pm

tidho wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:What do you guys think about buying cheap at SF? Putting together Gee and a second for Wesley Johnson?

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Wes ... mmary/4081

What's LA's motivation?

Salaries dont' match up either. We'd need to get somebody else too which shifts the value equation in our favor.

I'd do it if we could though.


We could make it two seconds and take some of their un-guaranteed contracts only to cut them.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#893 » by B Mac » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:06 pm

If I were the Cavs I wouldnt make any moves at this point until I see what happens in Minnesota. That team is still not going to get Kevin Love into the playoffs and he was extremely close to being traded last year. I know its a different regime there, but you have to wonder if KLove ends up on the block this year. Hope for losses in Minny!
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#894 » by jbk1234 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:30 am

B Mac wrote:If I were the Cavs I wouldnt make any moves at this point until I see what happens in Minnesota. That team is still not going to get Kevin Love into the playoffs and he was extremely close to being traded last year. I know its a different regime there, but you have to wonder if KLove ends up on the block this year. Hope for losses in Minny!



Even if we managed to get Kevin Love, should we really be starting Gee at SF for the rest of the season? He made Snell look like Durant last night. He's our three and D guy who isn't a good defender and cannot consistently hit a three point shot.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#895 » by BossHoggin » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:41 am

jbk1234 wrote:
B Mac wrote:If I were the Cavs I wouldnt make any moves at this point until I see what happens in Minnesota. That team is still not going to get Kevin Love into the playoffs and he was extremely close to being traded last year. I know its a different regime there, but you have to wonder if KLove ends up on the block this year. Hope for losses in Minny!



Even if we managed to get Kevin Love, should we really be starting Gee at SF for the rest of the season? He made Snell look like Durant last night. He's our three and D guy who isn't a good defender and cannot consistently hit a three point shot.

Until someone wants to trade their SF for Jack and a future 1st.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#896 » by jbk1234 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:50 am

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B Mac wrote:If I were the Cavs I wouldnt make any moves at this point until I see what happens in Minnesota. That team is still not going to get Kevin Love into the playoffs and he was extremely close to being traded last year. I know its a different regime there, but you have to wonder if KLove ends up on the block this year. Hope for losses in Minny!



Even if we managed to get Kevin Love, should we really be starting Gee at SF for the rest of the season? He made Snell look like Durant last night. He's our three and D guy who isn't a good defender and cannot consistently hit a three point shot.

Until someone wants to trade their SF for Jack and a future 1st.


There are some Wizards fans who are open to such a trade.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#897 » by Andrew McCeltic » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:18 am

Now that the Asik stuff has died down, what do you all think of Jeff Green in a straight Boston deal? I think we'd want a pick or Waiters or Bennett, or to dump salary..
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#898 » by Dupp » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:24 am

I wouldn't give up waiters, depends on the pick and i really wouldn't feel good about giving up on Bennett this early even though he doesnt look like much (only because its a wasted no.1 pick.

I'm only a definitely a no with waiters though.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#899 » by mcfly1204 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:19 pm

I feel like Jeff Green deals will need to include Wallace or at least Lee. Wallace's deal is a poison pill, but I would look into how we could get Lee minutes. For that matter, we could just include Miles and start Lee next to Irving.

Miles/Clark/Zeller/2014 SAC 1st (and about $1.6 of additional filler) for Green/Lee?

Irving/Jack
Lee/Waiters
Green/Gee/Karasev
Thompson/Bennett
Bynum/Varejao
Well at least we're not Detroit!
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#900 » by Niko23 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:28 pm

I think the likes of AA, Green, and Turner are all decent consolation prizes if we miss out on a big name in 2014 FA.....

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