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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1301 » by Revenged25 » Thu Mar 5, 2020 8:29 pm

Stillwater wrote:heres a couple summer trade ideas if they decide to part with Darius Garland now that Sexton is clearly capable of reaching a high ceiling as a pg.
post draft deal if Det misses out on upper tier pg prospects in draft:
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7290022
DG for Sekou and KT both really nice defenders with upside esp Sekou.
not even sure DG has done enough for Detroit to have any interest but they might given they need a pg

draft day deal:
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7290025
This one sends DG to Spurs who will make him earn it and maybe salvage his career
The cavs get a decent upside off guard in Johnson that fits better next to Sexton and take a flier or just waive lyles and get Spurs 2020 2nd that will be higher than usual spurs 2nds.
Now I am not suggesting they should trade him now, but if they decide to stop tanking he will be coming off the bench much of next season at the rate Sexton is going right now.
I dont know if they have any aspirations to try Garland off ball, but I can't see it working out.


I don't know if Detroit would do Garland for Sekou straight up, let alone adding in KT. I think they would be more prone to offering up their 1st round pick from this draft for Garland if they aren't enamored with the PG prospects in their range.

So say the Cavs pick in the top 2 and Detroit stays in the 6-8 range, Cavs draft Wiseman at #2 as BPA and fit, and the Cavs trade Garland for the #6-8 pick and draft Deni Avdija.

Cavs 2020-21 roster:
Sexton/Exum
KPJ/Windler
Avdija/Osman
Love/Nance
Drummond/Wiseman

Obviously expecting Drummond to opt-in.

Pistons 20-21 roster
Rose(till traded)/Garland
Kennard/Brown
Sekou
Griffin
Wood/Maker

Plus whatever they get in FA with $70 million
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1302 » by Stillwater » Thu Mar 5, 2020 11:52 pm

Revenged25 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:heres a couple summer trade ideas if they decide to part with Darius Garland now that Sexton is clearly capable of reaching a high ceiling as a pg.
post draft deal if Det misses out on upper tier pg prospects in draft:
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7290022
DG for Sekou and KT both really nice defenders with upside esp Sekou.
not even sure DG has done enough for Detroit to have any interest but they might given they need a pg

draft day deal:
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7290025
This one sends DG to Spurs who will make him earn it and maybe salvage his career
The cavs get a decent upside off guard in Johnson that fits better next to Sexton and take a flier or just waive lyles and get Spurs 2020 2nd that will be higher than usual spurs 2nds.
Now I am not suggesting they should trade him now, but if they decide to stop tanking he will be coming off the bench much of next season at the rate Sexton is going right now.
I dont know if they have any aspirations to try Garland off ball, but I can't see it working out.


I don't know if Detroit would do Garland for Sekou straight up, let alone adding in KT. I think they would be more prone to offering up their 1st round pick from this draft for Garland if they aren't enamored with the PG prospects in their range.

So say the Cavs pick in the top 2 and Detroit stays in the 6-8 range, Cavs draft Wiseman at #2 as BPA and fit, and the Cavs trade Garland for the #6-8 pick and draft Deni Avdija.

Cavs 2020-21 roster:
Sexton/Exum
KPJ/Windler
Avdija/Osman
Love/Nance
Drummond/Wiseman

Obviously expecting Drummond to opt-in.

Pistons 20-21 roster
Rose(till traded)/Garland
Kennard/Brown
Sekou
Griffin
Wood/Maker

Plus whatever they get in FA with $70 million

I don't see DET moving their pick for him since it's likely at worse 12th. but sure if they did that could work provided there was somebody the Cavs wanted there,[ I don't see deny as that guy tbh esp if Stewart or Nesmith are there] but I highly doubt it would be enough for them to move DG without more value added.
I do think given it is a ball dominant guard lottery that DET could get a decent pg or combo guard in this class at 12 but might see DG's upside as worth the swap for Sekou esp. if a prospect they want more that isn't a pg falls to 12 or wherever the pick is.
Sekou is a couple years out before he becomes a higher usage player despite being already quite impressive at 3/d low usage.
I am not so sure DET is in complete rebuild either and might go the trade route to try to reboot this summer which would potentially back the idea of them trading the pick but also not wanting to wait on Sekou
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1303 » by Revenged25 » Fri Mar 6, 2020 12:16 am

Stillwater wrote:
Revenged25 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:heres a couple summer trade ideas if they decide to part with Darius Garland now that Sexton is clearly capable of reaching a high ceiling as a pg.
post draft deal if Det misses out on upper tier pg prospects in draft:
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7290022
DG for Sekou and KT both really nice defenders with upside esp Sekou.
not even sure DG has done enough for Detroit to have any interest but they might given they need a pg

draft day deal:
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7290025
This one sends DG to Spurs who will make him earn it and maybe salvage his career
The cavs get a decent upside off guard in Johnson that fits better next to Sexton and take a flier or just waive lyles and get Spurs 2020 2nd that will be higher than usual spurs 2nds.
Now I am not suggesting they should trade him now, but if they decide to stop tanking he will be coming off the bench much of next season at the rate Sexton is going right now.
I dont know if they have any aspirations to try Garland off ball, but I can't see it working out.


I don't know if Detroit would do Garland for Sekou straight up, let alone adding in KT. I think they would be more prone to offering up their 1st round pick from this draft for Garland if they aren't enamored with the PG prospects in their range.

So say the Cavs pick in the top 2 and Detroit stays in the 6-8 range, Cavs draft Wiseman at #2 as BPA and fit, and the Cavs trade Garland for the #6-8 pick and draft Deni Avdija.

Cavs 2020-21 roster:
Sexton/Exum
KPJ/Windler
Avdija/Osman
Love/Nance
Drummond/Wiseman

Obviously expecting Drummond to opt-in.

Pistons 20-21 roster
Rose(till traded)/Garland
Kennard/Brown
Sekou
Griffin
Wood/Maker

Plus whatever they get in FA with $70 million

I don't see DET moving their pick for him since it's likely at worse 12th. but sure if they did that could work provided there was somebody the Cavs wanted there,[ I don't see deny as that guy tbh esp if Stewart or Nesmith are there] but I highly doubt it would be enough for them to move DG without more value added.
I do think given it is a ball dominant guard lottery that DET could get a decent pg or combo guard in this class at 12 but might see DG's upside as worth the swap for Sekou esp. if a prospect they want more that isn't a pg falls to 12 or wherever the pick is.
Sekou is a couple years out before he becomes a higher usage player despite being already quite impressive at 3/d low usage.
I am not so sure DET is in complete rebuild either and might go the trade route to try to reboot this summer which would potentially back the idea of them trading the pick but also not wanting to wait on Sekou


I would take Sekou's upside over everyone but maybe Ball, Edwards, and Wiseman in this draft. I feel about the same about Garland's upside vs the non-Edwards/Ball guards as well. I think we've had this debate quite a bit on Avdija before and I'm obviously much higher on him than you are. I think he's an ideal SF for this roster regardless of what they decide to do with the whole Garland/Sexton/KPJ experiment.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1304 » by gflem » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:40 pm

Revenged25 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
Revenged25 wrote:
I don't know if Detroit would do Garland for Sekou straight up, let alone adding in KT. I think they would be more prone to offering up their 1st round pick from this draft for Garland if they aren't enamored with the PG prospects in their range.

So say the Cavs pick in the top 2 and Detroit stays in the 6-8 range, Cavs draft Wiseman at #2 as BPA and fit, and the Cavs trade Garland for the #6-8 pick and draft Deni Avdija.

Cavs 2020-21 roster:
Sexton/Exum
KPJ/Windler
Avdija/Osman
Love/Nance
Drummond/Wiseman

Obviously expecting Drummond to opt-in.

Pistons 20-21 roster
Rose(till traded)/Garland
Kennard/Brown
Sekou
Griffin
Wood/Maker

Plus whatever they get in FA with $70 million

I don't see DET moving their pick for him since it's likely at worse 12th. but sure if they did that could work provided there was somebody the Cavs wanted there,[ I don't see deny as that guy tbh esp if Stewart or Nesmith are there] but I highly doubt it would be enough for them to move DG without more value added.
I do think given it is a ball dominant guard lottery that DET could get a decent pg or combo guard in this class at 12 but might see DG's upside as worth the swap for Sekou esp. if a prospect they want more that isn't a pg falls to 12 or wherever the pick is.
Sekou is a couple years out before he becomes a higher usage player despite being already quite impressive at 3/d low usage.
I am not so sure DET is in complete rebuild either and might go the trade route to try to reboot this summer which would potentially back the idea of them trading the pick but also not wanting to wait on Sekou


I would take Sekou's upside over everyone but maybe Ball, Edwards, and Wiseman in this draft. I feel about the same about Garland's upside vs the non-Edwards/Ball guards as well. I think we've had this debate quite a bit on Avdija before and I'm obviously much higher on him than you are. I think he's an ideal SF for this roster regardless of what they decide to do with the whole Garland/Sexton/KPJ experiment.

Does anyone do #2 for Sekou and #6 or wherever the Det pick falls?
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1305 » by Revenged25 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:46 am

gflem wrote:
Revenged25 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:I don't see DET moving their pick for him since it's likely at worse 12th. but sure if they did that could work provided there was somebody the Cavs wanted there,[ I don't see deny as that guy tbh esp if Stewart or Nesmith are there] but I highly doubt it would be enough for them to move DG without more value added.
I do think given it is a ball dominant guard lottery that DET could get a decent pg or combo guard in this class at 12 but might see DG's upside as worth the swap for Sekou esp. if a prospect they want more that isn't a pg falls to 12 or wherever the pick is.
Sekou is a couple years out before he becomes a higher usage player despite being already quite impressive at 3/d low usage.
I am not so sure DET is in complete rebuild either and might go the trade route to try to reboot this summer which would potentially back the idea of them trading the pick but also not wanting to wait on Sekou


I would take Sekou's upside over everyone but maybe Ball, Edwards, and Wiseman in this draft. I feel about the same about Garland's upside vs the non-Edwards/Ball guards as well. I think we've had this debate quite a bit on Avdija before and I'm obviously much higher on him than you are. I think he's an ideal SF for this roster regardless of what they decide to do with the whole Garland/Sexton/KPJ experiment.

Does anyone do #2 for Sekou and #6 or wherever the Det pick falls?


I would without thinking twice. Being able to get Sekou and then still get someone at #6 is a steal. I would do it even if their pick was in the teens since I don't think anyone outside of Wiseman would fit the future composition of the team without players being traded.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1306 » by Stillwater » Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:56 am

Well Detroit clearly turned into a tank team with blake injury like clockwork and then after trading us Drummond for scraps and now probably are targeting Wiseman or Okongwu both also targets of CLE.
Dont see them giving us Sekou to move up a couple spots unless the draft order works against them and i doubt our front office is smart enough to get a deal for him done.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1307 » by gflem » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:08 pm

Revenged25 wrote:
gflem wrote:
Revenged25 wrote:
I would take Sekou's upside over everyone but maybe Ball, Edwards, and Wiseman in this draft. I feel about the same about Garland's upside vs the non-Edwards/Ball guards as well. I think we've had this debate quite a bit on Avdija before and I'm obviously much higher on him than you are. I think he's an ideal SF for this roster regardless of what they decide to do with the whole Garland/Sexton/KPJ experiment.

Does anyone do #2 for Sekou and #6 or wherever the Det pick falls?


I would without thinking twice. Being able to get Sekou and then still get someone at #6 is a steal. I would do it even if their pick was in the teens since I don't think anyone outside of Wiseman would fit the future composition of the team without players being traded.

That is my thinking as well, even if we had to add Garland (who I am not high on). The Knicks with their first pick, 27 and their early 2nd could be trade partners, though they are rebuilding as well. I would take Wiseman if he is available where we pick, but if we land the first or second and the team isn't sold on anyone there and thinks they can get better value by trading the pick so be it.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1308 » by Stillwater » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:46 pm

gflem wrote:
Revenged25 wrote:
gflem wrote:Does anyone do #2 for Sekou and #6 or wherever the Det pick falls?


I would without thinking twice. Being able to get Sekou and then still get someone at #6 is a steal. I would do it even if their pick was in the teens since I don't think anyone outside of Wiseman would fit the future composition of the team without players being traded.

That is my thinking as well, even if we had to add Garland (who I am not high on). The Knicks with their first pick, 27 and their early 2nd could be trade partners, though they are rebuilding as well. I would take Wiseman if he is available where we pick, but if we land the first or second and the team isn't sold on anyone there and thinks they can get better value by trading the pick so be it.

imo
If there is a clear higher tier prospect on the board when they pick that isnt a guard they are not trading down
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