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Re: Brewers 2025 Discussion - Mis an All-star 

Post#1821 » by coolhandluke121 » Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:19 am

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In my opinion, he is giving us a ton of credit in that we can trade for/sign these no-name type guys that we trot out that have been flying well under the radar and in turn, when combined, equal 3 of the best players in the league. So we don't have to sign guys to 700+ mil contracts, we can just pluck em off the street, mix em up, and spit out the same WAR as 1.5 billion dollars.


...but none of those players play for the Brewers this season. Adames was a 5 five player last season. Burnes had a 7.5 win season as a Brewer. What point is he making by saying those guys aren't having good years right now (in the Burnes case because he had Tommy John)?


Just that it's better to go find and develop the next guy than overpay to keep the ones you have. It's often not even that much of a loss in the end. Keep moving forward.
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Re: Brewers 2025 Discussion - Mis an All-star 

Post#1822 » by BUCKnation » Wed Jul 23, 2025 12:50 pm

I think it's that we got rid of them at the right time, but I could see how it means that we've lost a lot of talent and at some point the wins will drop as a result based on the follow up sentences.
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Re: Brewers 2025 Discussion - Mis an All-star 

Post#1823 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Jul 23, 2025 2:16 pm

Passan lists the Brewers as a team likely to do only minor moves, if anything:

Biggest need: OF, SS
Best fit: Maikel Garcia, IF

The latest: To be clear: Kansas City has shown no inclination to move Garcia, who can play all around the diamond but is a very good shortstop, and the Brewers aren't actively seeking a replacement for Joey Ortiz at short. This is more a reflection of how deep the Brewers are -- and why they own the best record in baseball: There are no clear holes on this roster. The Brewers are inveterate practitioners of common-sense systems that produce good players. They do everything very well: draft, sign international players, develop, trade and sign free agents on a limited budget.

Unlike past years, they are not going to try to thread the add-subtract needle. Their starting pitching depth is envious and their bullpen much, much better than it gets credit for. Perhaps they could snag a corner outfielder or a super-utility man (if Texas were to move Josh Smith, he'd fit perfectly). As much as Josh Naylor or Ryan O'Hearn would fit the bill at first base and balance their lineup, the Brewers tend not to make lavish moves at the deadline, which is why adding Eugenio Suárez to play third -- over Caleb Durbin, who's hitting .318/.398/.465 since May 21 -- is not in the cards.

Like the Tigers, Milwaukee is understandably at ease with what it has and sees its excellent farm system as the fuel to power this unlikely rocket ship. The Brewers are content to keep doing what they almost always do: win.
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Post#1824 » by coolhandluke121 » Wed Jul 23, 2025 6:43 pm

Naylor would be a "lavish" move? It would be great to replace Bauers and not have to rely on Hoskins, especially against RHP, but it should hardly be expensive to rent a 1B with a career .773 OPS who should probably be a platoon player.
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Post#1826 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Jul 25, 2025 5:04 am

Cortes and Quintana are such perfect candidates to move. There are teams desperate for starting pitching, and the Brewers have more than enough arms to cover for both.
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Post#1827 » by jakecronus8 » Fri Jul 25, 2025 5:11 pm

Baltimore beat writer named Milwaukee as a top 4 suitor for O'hearn.
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Post#1828 » by coolhandluke121 » Fri Jul 25, 2025 5:55 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:Baltimore beat writer named Milwaukee as a top 4 suitor for O'hearn.


The Mariners overpaid for Naylor and took one primary suitor off the market for O'hearn. The big-money teams mostly already have 1B/DH type sluggers, and the Padres have to be more fiscally responsible. I don't think the market for him is going to be that hot, and the Brewers are probably the best fit if the asking price is reasonable.
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Post#1829 » by c00lhand208 » Fri Jul 25, 2025 11:18 pm

I don’t know where others are with their bat trade-target desires, but my list looks like this:

*I’d like to see the Brewers lean into their strengths and prioritize addition(s) on that front more so than simply going for the biggest ISO bat on the market & likely paying greatly in assets for it. The more pragmatic move IMO is to upgrade the team’s lineup options by targeting players who best fit tactically in combination between the plate & the field. They should be viewed as obvious bench utility upgrades (at minimum), rotational starting options, or a potential “everyday”starter upgrade.

Ha-Seong Kim - currently dealing with an injury & unclear what his availability might be. A massive IF utility upgrade over Andruw Monasterio. He’s also someone capable of taking over full time duties at 3B, SS, or 2B, if necessary. Otherwise, rotate him regularly with those at SS, 3rd, & 2nd giving them each a rest day. Should force Ortiz to raise his offensive game to maintain a balanced share of PAs at SS — despite Joey’s recent superb defensive play. I view a healthy Kim as a potential difference maker and team ceiling riser despite not being a big ISO bat. He’s just a damn good ball player and winning teams need as many of those as they can get.

Isiah Kiner-Falefa - a clear utility upgrade over Monasterio and someone defensively capable of relieving Ortiz at SS without much defensive draw back, if any. May even push Ortiz offensively or for the position outright. And I don’t believe he’d be super difficult to land in a trade as he should be getting shopped. His drawback is his ISO is lower than Monasterio or Ortiz, but he does have the best plate discipline & he’s the best baserunning threat too.

Ryan O'Hearn - The obvious LH upgrade at 1st (over Bauers). The question is how much in assets will it take? Assuming this puts Bauers through waivers and if he clears maybe he takes the Brewers assignment or chooses to re-sign as a minor league FA. I still like his patience at the plate, his OBP, & his ability to take extra bases, so I’d appreciate seeing him provide the team a potential depth option again.

Amed Rosario - another player who I’m not too sure about his actual availability, but he would be another obvious utility upgrade over Monasterio and gives the Brewers another certified pest for opposing teams to deal with on the basepaths and at the plate.

Willi Castro - should be available and provides more pop as a super utility option; though, his SS & CF playing days are probably best left in the past which makes him a little questionable as a full on Monasterio replacement. Not sure what his cost might be, but certainly less than a Suarez.

Luis Arraez - Not sure on his availability, but an interesting multi-position utility option who can also sort of replace Bauers as the LH platoon bat at 1st. He’s an incredibly difficult out at the plate (extremely rare to strikeout), but presents little ISO threat.

Ramon Urias - yet another question mark regarding availability, but yet another clear upgrade at the plate over internal IF depth options; though, his ability to handle SS adequately is questionable.

Carlos Santana - for an old athletic dude who can still get the job done at the plate while being able to play 1st in the field, when needed. Gives the team a more efficient, but less impactful bat than say Suarez would if they pursued him. I also see Suarez seeing most of his time as a DH, like Yelich, which means they compete for opportunities. The key is that Santana probably comes at a significantly lesser asset exchange for a primary DH. This move for Santana could also involve filling Hoskins role if Hoskins is moved for somebody else.

Steven Kwan - not certain he’s obtainable, but getting him would inject another gritty & damn good ball player in the field & at the plate. In style of play he’s like getting another Sal Frelick; though, in ways Isaac Collins & Caleb Durbin are in that kind of mold too. Getting him would mean rotational off days between him, Fredrick, Collins, & Chourio. Yelich remains the primary DH, but may rotate in occasionally. I like Perkins and this move probably makes him vulnerable to waivers, so this in-part with the likely required asset exchange is why it’s not much higher up on my list even though I see Kwan as a potential ceiling riser for this team (like a healthy Ha-Seong Kim).

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Re: Brewers 2025 Discussion - Mis an All-star 

Post#1831 » by Bucks4005 » Sat Jul 26, 2025 4:40 pm

What do we think about Durbin as a potential SS? I mean, if we did get Suarez, dont think we would, but you almost have to keep Durbin in the starting lineup with how hot his bat has been vs Ortiz? Or can Suarez actually play 1B?
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Re: Brewers 2025 Discussion - Mis an All-star 

Post#1832 » by MVP2110 » Sat Jul 26, 2025 4:57 pm

Bucks4005 wrote:What do we think about Durbin as a potential SS? I mean, if we did get Suarez, dont think we would, but you almost have to keep Durbin in the starting lineup with how hot his bat has been vs Ortiz? Or can Suarez actually play 1B?


I think Durbin could maybe be the backup SS/utility guy. I don't think you want him playing there every day though
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Re: Brewers 2025 Discussion - Mis an All-star 

Post#1833 » by coolhandluke121 » Sat Jul 26, 2025 5:10 pm

c00lhand208 wrote:
Ha-Seong Kim

Isiah Kiner-Falefa

Ryan O'Hearn

Amed Rosario

Willi Castro

Luis Arraez

Ramon Urias

Carlos Santana

Steven Kwan -

Thoughts?


Lots of variety on this list. I don't think Kwan is likely to be available, and I don't think the Brewers would pony up prospects for a guy like Kim. Some other guys on this list would seem a little pointless to me. I'd probably rather keep rolling with Bauers/Black/Hoskins/Vaughn than go get Santana, for example, and Kiner-Falefa would have to be incredibly cheap as a Monasterio replacement. I'm not moving Ortiz to the bench for him, even though I'm really down on Ortiz.

I don't like Arraez, but I'd probably put on my casual fan hat and drink the kool-aid for O'hearn if the cost wasn't too steep. Rosario would be better than Monasterio, but that's thinking pretty small. Ramon Urias is probably the one guy on this list who jumps out at me as someone I didn't think of who could be a really good, realistic target.

I'm not taking PA's away from Frelick, Chourio, or Collins for any OF unless it's a deal that's almost too good to be true, like the Yelich trade. Yelich and Perkins also need plenty of situation/match-up time in the OF, although I think Yelich should mostly be a DH at this point.

ETA: I guess Kim might be easier to acquire than I thought, given his issues this year, but he's still a ~5 WAR talent under team control for another year (I think) when he's healthy. That would come with a price.
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Post#1834 » by MVP2110 » Sat Jul 26, 2025 5:59 pm

Id love to grab IKF from Pittsburgh. He would be a fairly significant upgrade over Monasterio as the utility guy and if Ortiz struggles hed be a solid replacement there too. I think people are sleeping on him because he isnt a power bat(which I'd also like to see them acquire)

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2025: 1.3
2024: 3.6
2023: 0
2022: 2.9
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Post#1836 » by Bucks4005 » Sat Jul 26, 2025 9:33 pm

Assuming we make any trades, any prospects you’re a bit lower on that you wouldn’t mind moving?

Between Black, Adams, Wilken, Bittoni, Boeve, and now Fischer, we might have a bit of a log jam at the 1B/3B body types, plus you have Blake Burke as a highly drafted 1B prospect, plus with how you see Pena and Maede, one of them could easily end up at 3B too, and that’s all ignoring Durbin at 3B, so if we made a move, feel one of them could be on the move. Though I haven’t watched any of them, so not sure how to view them.
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Post#1837 » by coolhandluke121 » Yesterday 11:03 pm

Bucks4005 wrote:Assuming we make any trades, any prospects you’re a bit lower on that you wouldn’t mind moving?

Between Black, Adams, Wilken, Bittoni, Boeve, and now Fischer, we might have a bit of a log jam at the 1B/3B body types, plus you have Blake Burke as a highly drafted 1B prospect, plus with how you see Pena and Maede, one of them could easily end up at 3B too, and that’s all ignoring Durbin at 3B, so if we made a move, feel one of them could be on the move. Though I haven’t watched any of them, so not sure how to view them.


I'm not the person to pick which one(s) they trade, but I'm confident in their process and will have no difficulty convincing myself that whoever they trade away is just the next Lewis Brinson or Matt LaPorta. It's time to add some offense.
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