2018 Brewers Discussion - Yelich Signing on Page 45

[DingleJerry]

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Strongly think that he had pre-arranged trades before the Cain signing. Plus there is no need to trade Santana, since Braun will make the move to 1b

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I fully assumed this was pre-done too, I mean it's only logical. All I said is when you see tweets that they're being shopped that makes you go maybe not quite so hopefully it's not the case. It's not like the reporters know everything.

and no it would hurt Santana's value as everyone knows they're really need to move him.

We can speculate Braun will move to 1B and we know he said he would but we have no idea if that's realistic and all other teams would doubt it too. Really if they were gonna move Braun they shoujld have done it last year and not signed Thames, so I doubt it's in the plans now. Still I think he had a couple options for Santana pre arranged and any 'shopping' was to have those teams give their final offer. Stearns isn't dumb.

When did Braun say he would? Did he have some blanket quote about doing whatever is best for the team?

Yea pretty much exactly that, and followed up with a joke about anything other than playing 3B again. But I think the question asked him was about 1B.

[ReasonablySober]

According to Rosenthal the Brewers are thinking that Santana will join Cain and Yelich in the OF, and play Braun at 1B against lefties while still remaining in the OF rotation. Didn't dismiss a Santana trade, though. Also thinks it's unlikely the Brewers, with a $90 mil payroll at the moment, sign a top FA starting pitcher.

[LUKE23]

Brewers would have arguably the best lineup in baseball if they kept Santana and moved Braun to 1B, just don't see how you get the pitcher we need without moving Domingo. And we absolutely need a front line guy added to contend.

[SirChurros]

Maybe they feel like they have Darvish locked in?

[JHSFIVE]

I don't think 1B would be an issue for Braun. Has plenty INF experience and it'll be pitched as a chance to extend his career/legacy by limiting the injury potential ala Joe Mauer.

Holy **** this lineup is gonna have some bats.

[JimmyTheKid]

Maybe they feel like they have Darvish locked in?

Yeah maybe Darvish told Stearns to prove that they're legit contenders before he signs. Who knows. This is fun.

[JimmyTheKid]

https://www.mlb.com/news/morosi-brewers-moves-ignite-hot-stove/c-265374040

[M-C-G]

Maybe they feel like they have Darvish locked in?

I don't know that they feel they have him locked in, but you have to think if Darvish's people wanted to know our plan to contend, it is looking a whole lot sexier here than it was a few days ago. This just became a much more desirable situation for any of Darvish, Arrieta, Cobb, etc.

[DingleJerry]

According to Rosenthal the Brewers are thinking that Santana will join Cain and Yelich in the OF, and play Braun at 1B against lefties while still remaining in the OF rotation. Didn't dismiss a Santana trade, though. Also thinks it's unlikely the Brewers, with a $90 mil payroll at the moment, sign a top FA starting pitcher.

Well Braun would have to play there the vast majority of the time as long as the other OF are healthy, not just vs lefties. It is a heck of a lineup and if they have a P FA signing lined up instead. I'm for it. But still think the trade will happen.

Also, i know 1B is easy to play but I'd actually guess it could lead to more injuries due to how many more playes he's involved in, having to field grounders, stretch for balls, etc. In LF he literally does nothing on like 90% of the plays.

[MikeIsGood]

Brewers would have arguably the best lineup in baseball if they kept Santana and moved Braun to 1B, just don't see how you get the pitcher we need without moving Domingo. And we absolutely need a front line guy added to contend.

Yes, all of this.

We're obviously going all in, and since we are I'll get behind it because it's going to be a f'n ride with this lineup. But then let's finish it off right. I'll be really interested to see how the rest comes together. You've gotta get more arms to do it right - that has to be prioritized over keeping Santana and rolling with the best lineup, unfortunately. If you can do both, amazing. If you can't, then you gotta get more pitching.

[WeekapaugGroove]

According to Rosenthal the Brewers are thinking that Santana will join Cain and Yelich in the OF, and play Braun at 1B against lefties while still remaining in the OF rotation. Didn't dismiss a Santana trade, though. Also thinks it's unlikely the Brewers, with a $90 mil payroll at the moment, sign a top FA starting pitcher.

I was just watching this too and there does seem like enough Braun to 1st smoke out there to think its a possibility.

Not sure why they couldn't add a top FA pitcher. 90 mil isn't some huge number and they probably have another 30 they could spend. Now if any of the FA pitchers are going to be worth their contracts is a whole other argument.

If they did keep domingo there are some other avenues they could go to grab an arm. Build something around some combination of phillips, thames, villar and a prospect or two and then just sign walker. Or hell they could deal some of those guys for prospects grab another lotto ticket fa pitcher and roll into the season like that and see how it goes and if you need to make a move for a top line pitcher do it in July.

I do kind of like the idea of keeping domingo because if he's dealt you're counting an awful lot on braun, thames, and shaw to provide the power og your lineup.

[SirChurros]

Say Santana sticks around, you move Braun to first and sign Darvish.

What kind of pitching can be acquired for like Phillips and Thames? I think they're probably set on keeping Villar and hoping he bounces back. Signing Walker on the cheap would be nice too.

[ReasonablySober]

According to Rosenthal the Brewers are thinking that Santana will join Cain and Yelich in the OF, and play Braun at 1B against lefties while still remaining in the OF rotation. Didn't dismiss a Santana trade, though. Also thinks it's unlikely the Brewers, with a $90 mil payroll at the moment, sign a top FA starting pitcher.

I was just watching this too and there does seem like enough Braun to 1st smoke out there to think its a possibility.

Not sure why they couldn't add a top FA pitcher. 90 mil isn't some huge number and they probably have another 30 they could spend. Now if any of the FA pitchers are going to be worth their contracts is a whole other argument.

If they did keep domingo there are some other avenues they could go to grab an arm. Build something around some combination of phillips, thames, villar and a prospect or two and then just sign walker. Or hell they could deal some of those guys for prospects grab another lotto ticket fa pitcher and roll into the season like that and see how it goes and if you need to make a move for a top line pitcher do it in July.

I do kind of like the idea of keeping domingo because if he's dealt you're counting an awful lot on braun, thames, and shaw to provide the power og your lineup.

Yelich may lead the team in HRs this season.

[mlloyd10]

Starting lineup
Cain
Yelich
Santana
Shaw
Braun
Pina
Sogard
Arcia

Bench
Thames
Villar
Phillips
Vogt
Perez

Rotation
Anderson
Davies
Chacin
Woodruff
Hader

[Turk Nowitzki]

According to Rosenthal the Brewers are thinking that Santana will join Cain and Yelich in the OF, and play Braun at 1B against lefties while still remaining in the OF rotation. Didn't dismiss a Santana trade, though. Also thinks it's unlikely the Brewers, with a $90 mil payroll at the moment, sign a top FA starting pitcher.

This seems like it might be a little smoke to try and convince teams that we aren't desperate to deal Santana. I actually think it could work, but I don't think the Brewers have any intention of doing it. Could be wrong, but that's how I read it.

[SirChurros]

According to Rosenthal the Brewers are thinking that Santana will join Cain and Yelich in the OF, and play Braun at 1B against lefties while still remaining in the OF rotation. Didn't dismiss a Santana trade, though. Also thinks it's unlikely the Brewers, with a $90 mil payroll at the moment, sign a top FA starting pitcher.

This seems like it might be a little smoke to try and convince teams that we aren't desperate to deal Santana. I actually think it could work, but I don't think the Brewers have any intention of doing it. Could be wrong, but that's how I read it.

I think if you can sign Darvish, it makes it far more likely they keep him. You have your ace then and all you need to do is maybe add one more piece to the rotation.

[HaroldinGMinor]

The stove is on fire at this point. It's always exciting to feel like you're actually making a run. Let's just hope that it doesn't come back to haunt us.

This has been the biggest impediment to me emotionally investing in the Brewers for a long time. On one level I think these moves are good and am excited about them. But given the Brewers limited financial resources compared to the big markets, we're impaired if they don't pan out. Sucks to have to shoot perfect on this stuff while the LA teams, Red Sox, NYY, etc can misfire on stuff like this and still be fine.

That said I hope Mark A. keeps spending.

They had a payroll north of $100 million not that long ago. I don't think signing Cain hamstrings them long term at all.

[Kerb Hohl]

Say Santana sticks around, you move Braun to first and sign Darvish.

What kind of pitching can be acquired for like Phillips and Thames? I think they're probably set on keeping Villar and hoping he bounces back. Signing Walker on the cheap would be nice too.

Phillips might be dealt for a younger/buy low/struggling pitcher I would think.

You'd want to keep Thames. Let him play 1B against almost all righties. Braun's only gonna play 120 games anyways so he can face 50 lefties at 1B, 40 games in the OF, and sprinkle in 30 other games against RHP at 1B or OF pending an injury to somebody else.

[M-C-G]

Say Santana sticks around, you move Braun to first and sign Darvish.

What kind of pitching can be acquired for like Phillips and Thames? I think they're probably set on keeping Villar and hoping he bounces back. Signing Walker on the cheap would be nice too.

Phillips might be dealt for a younger/buy low/struggling pitcher I would think.

You'd want to keep Thames. Let him play 1B against almost all righties. Braun's only gonna play 120 games anyways so he can face 50 lefties at 1B, 40 games in the OF, and sprinkle in 30 other games against RHP at 1B or OF pending an injury to somebody else.

I'd have no interest in moving Phillips for a buy low or struggling pitcher because I think there is already enough of that type of player in house, would much rather just keep Phillips as our 4th OF and if he shines, you could always still move Santana later.

[trwi7]

Wooo! Got a board warning on bf.net because someone else doesn't know how to read/doesn't get the joke.