Jalen Brunson discussion

[Dirk]

Subject: Possible Free Agent Destinations For Ricky Rubio?

CSKA Moscow or Fenerbahçe

I have never liked Rubio (lack of shooting), but he's always had great advanced stats and I know you're joking (I think), but he's still someone that will draw plenty of interest and he'll be getting a lot more money than even those teams can pay.

[JamesConway]

I have seen a couple of discussions on Brunson, as well as some folks naming Dallas as potential suitors for Rubio, so how do people feel about Brunson as a starter and/or whether you'd go after a Rubio type.

Brunson is not a starter on a winning team, his offensive game does not make up for his piss poor D. And with Luka, you just cant win with both of them trying to guard people. Brunson is a fine bench player ala Barea, but nothing more

I don't agree with that.. But fine if that is what you believe.

The better question imo is, is there anyone better available in FA or via trade that won't kill our capspace? Because to be fair, we don't really need much out of starting PG position in terms of running the team and ISO plays. Beverly comes to mind, but he might be pricey and he is getting up there in age..

Subject: Possible Free Agent Destinations For Ricky Rubio?

What are you guys talking about? The Mavs have Brunson. He is a stud and a perfect PG next to Luka. I would just roll with him next season.. Makes no sense to spend money on 2nd tier PGs that won't move the needle. And it's also quite redundant to have ball dominant PG next to Luka.

I am not a fan of Rubio but I am curious to see if people see him as a good addition if he is available on the market on a 'good deal'.

I would make Brunson the starter if lower tier starting PGs like Rubio/Beverley are the alternative. Not bc I have overly high expectations for Brunson but bc I struggly to see the benefit of paying Beverley/Rubio MLE+ type of money for only a slight upgrade compared to what Jalen Imo offers at a rookie scale salary. Also I think his ceiling is somewhere around the Calderon/Beverley/maybe Rubio-tier of PGs (aka Top 15 at his peak but never even close to being an allstar) -- but for the time being I think it's not a bad solution. He's a good fit alongside Luka with his ability to play on/off ball and has shown significant improvement throughout the year.

Outside of landing a stud like Kemba or maybe D'Lo coming here Jalen is probably among the 'realistic' options that make the most sense. We could use the caproom elsewhere where we have bigger holes.

Also I always like to see teams jump on the possibility of making a young player a starter, especially when it's already looking like a solid idea in the first half of that player's rookie scale contract. The least you're doing that way is to pump up the kid's value if he responds well enough on the court.

[Kampuchea]

Saw some mention of Mitch and yeah Mitch is awesome but when you get a guy like Brunson in the second round you did well.

In my opinion, both move into the first round in a redraft. The Mavs don't need to regret passing on Mitch, all the other teams need to regret passing on Mitch AND Brunson.

[burek3]

Subject: Possible Free Agent Destinations For Ricky Rubio?

CSKA Moscow or Fenerbahçe

I have never liked Rubio (lack of shooting), but he's always had great advanced stats and I know you're joking (I think), but he's still someone that will draw plenty of interest and he'll be getting a lot more money than even those teams can pay.

As long as it's not Mavs, all good.

[daoneandonly]

Saw some mention of Mitch and yeah Mitch is awesome but when you get a guy like Brunson in the second round you did well.

In my opinion, both move into the first round in a redraft. The Mavs don't need to regret passing on Mitch, all the other teams need to regret passing on Mitch AND Brunson.

The issue though was Dallas had a need for a big man, especially one of Mitch's skill set. They did not have a need for a PG, they just drafted Luka in the first round, DSJ the year before, and had Yogi willing to come back at a reasonable deal. Not to mention Barea, so it was really a move because Carlisle was friends with Brunson's dad, which is not a reason to draft someone. There were guys like Mitch, Bates-Diop, and Trier that filled more pressing needs.

[daoneandonly]

Is this guy the "Triple Double Allower"? Wright twice, Dragic, ask this guy to guard someone and it's a guaranteed TD

[Pointguard01]

Saw some mention of Mitch and yeah Mitch is awesome but when you get a guy like Brunson in the second round you did well.

In my opinion, both move into the first round in a redraft. The Mavs don't need to regret passing on Mitch, all the other teams need to regret passing on Mitch AND Brunson.

The issue though was Dallas had a need for a big man, especially one of Mitch's skill set. They did not have a need for a PG, they just drafted Luka in the first round, DSJ the year before, and had Yogi willing to come back at a reasonable deal. Not to mention Barea, so it was really a move because Carlisle was friends with Brunson's dad, which is not a reason to draft someone. There were guys like Mitch, Bates-Diop, and Trier that filled more pressing needs.

This is why you draft on BPA and not need. Dennis Smith Jr is gone and Barea may never be the same player. Facts are Dallas got what will be a top-15 rookie in the 30s and

Bates-Diop who may never crack a top-9 rotation? wow.

Trier and Brunson are having similar rookie seasons (see below) and Mitchell Robinson is the same. None have proven to be more than backups at this point, good ones at that.

Give credit where credit is due. Dallas made a great pick.


Allonzo Trier:
10.9 - PPG
3.1 - RPG
1.9 - APG
44 FG%, 39% 3FG
PER - 12.2
Win Shares - 0.9

Jalen Brunson
9.3 - PPG
2.3 - RPG
3.1 - APG
47 FG%, 35% 3FG
PER 13.0
Win Shares - 2.6

[daoneandonly]

Saw some mention of Mitch and yeah Mitch is awesome but when you get a guy like Brunson in the second round you did well.

In my opinion, both move into the first round in a redraft. The Mavs don't need to regret passing on Mitch, all the other teams need to regret passing on Mitch AND Brunson.

The issue though was Dallas had a need for a big man, especially one of Mitch's skill set. They did not have a need for a PG, they just drafted Luka in the first round, DSJ the year before, and had Yogi willing to come back at a reasonable deal. Not to mention Barea, so it was really a move because Carlisle was friends with Brunson's dad, which is not a reason to draft someone. There were guys like Mitch, Bates-Diop, and Trier that filled more pressing needs.

This is why you draft on BPA and not need. Dennis Smith Jr is gone and Barea may never be the same player. Facts are Dallas got what will be a top-15 rookie in the 30s and

Bates-Diop who may never crack a top-9 rotation? wow.

Trier and Brunson are having similar rookie seasons (see below) and Mitchell Robinson is the same. None have proven to be more than backups at this point, good ones at that.

Give credit where credit is due. Dallas made a great pick.


Allonzo Trier:
10.9 - PPG
3.1 - RPG
1.9 - APG
44 FG%, 39% 3FG
PER - 12.2
Win Shares - 0.9

Jalen Brunson
9.3 - PPG
2.3 - RPG
3.1 - APG
47 FG%, 35% 3FG
PER 13.0
Win Shares - 2.6

I'd argue Robinson can surely be a starter, and Trier is a better defender than Brunson and has more size, so I still believe both wouldve been better picks. Brunson is solid on offense, a ncie bench guy for sure, but anyone he guards is set to have a triple double, or maybe 51 points as a grandpa (didn't see yesterday's game, did Brunson guard Crawford?)

[arkuo]

Brunson in some ways reminds me of Jamal Murray in the way he moves. If he should turn out to be as good is another story.

[Pointguard01]

The issue though was Dallas had a need for a big man, especially one of Mitch's skill set. They did not have a need for a PG, they just drafted Luka in the first round, DSJ the year before, and had Yogi willing to come back at a reasonable deal. Not to mention Barea, so it was really a move because Carlisle was friends with Brunson's dad, which is not a reason to draft someone. There were guys like Mitch, Bates-Diop, and Trier that filled more pressing needs.

This is why you draft on BPA and not need. Dennis Smith Jr is gone and Barea may never be the same player. Facts are Dallas got what will be a top-15 rookie in the 30s and

Bates-Diop who may never crack a top-9 rotation? wow.

Trier and Brunson are having similar rookie seasons (see below) and Mitchell Robinson is the same. None have proven to be more than backups at this point, good ones at that.

Give credit where credit is due. Dallas made a great pick.


Allonzo Trier:
10.9 - PPG
3.1 - RPG
1.9 - APG
44 FG%, 39% 3FG
PER - 12.2
Win Shares - 0.9

Jalen Brunson
9.3 - PPG
2.3 - RPG
3.1 - APG
47 FG%, 35% 3FG
PER 13.0
Win Shares - 2.6

I'd argue Robinson can surely be a starter, and Trier is a better defender than Brunson and has more size, so I still believe both wouldve been better picks. Brunson is solid on offense, a ncie bench guy for sure, but anyone he guards is set to have a triple double, or maybe 51 points as a grandpa (didn't see yesterday's game, did Brunson guard Crawford?)

He could be. But people who watch him more regularly than me say that he is far from that. He's a great energy big off the bench now, but the dude makes too many mistakes to be a starter on a winner right now. He could absolutely grow out of it.


Most rookies are really bad at defense. I'm not worried about that right now, esp when his minutes came with one of the worst basketball teams after we made the two trades in February. Dirk Nowitzki was his help defender.


The point is less that we should have taken Robinson over Brunson. But many of us (including myself) were advocating for players who could be out of the league in a year (Melvin Frazier, Khyri Thomas, Hamidou Diallo, Keita Bates-Diop). We all WANTED a wing that fit the need. Instead we went with the BPA, or what we felt. We were harpering on the idea that Dallas drafted a older PG with the roster we had, when in fact, we drafted someone that looks to be a top-20 pick in a redraft. Brunson's floor seems to be a Fred VanVleet type player, which is super important on a winner. It was a damn good pick in a couple of years.

[Pointguard01]

Barea has been playing up to his standarts so far, which means he's staying next year, which means Brunson will be a 3rd-stringer one more year, unless we trade DSJ. He's 22, which is not particularly young. My problem with him so far is his overall shooting. If he starts making most of his open 3s\2s he'll be able to contribute everytime he gets minutes, which he should be getting more and more as DSJ has propensity for getting injured and Barea is old.

His numbers were like 47% FG and 35% 3FG. Those are both outstanding for a rookie PG.

[gh123]

Barea has been playing up to his standarts so far, which means he's staying next year, which means Brunson will be a 3rd-stringer one more year, unless we trade DSJ. He's 22, which is not particularly young. My problem with him so far is his overall shooting. If he starts making most of his open 3s\2s he'll be able to contribute everytime he gets minutes, which he should be getting more and more as DSJ has propensity for getting injured and Barea is old.

His numbers were like 47% FG and 35% 3FG. Those are both outstanding for a rookie PG.

Did you see when I posted that though?

[arkuo]

Anyone think Brunson can be our eventual starting PG? He's putting up good numbers as of late. Like all-rookie 2nd team good.

[Pinkyring]

Anyone think Brunson can be our eventual starting PG? He's putting up good numbers as of late. Like all-rookie 2nd team good.

No

[dirkforpres]

Anyone think Brunson can be our eventual starting PG? He's putting up good numbers as of late. Like all-rookie 2nd team good.

It’s hard to say after only one season. He played beyond expectations, but I don’t know if I’d want him starting game 1 of next year. First off the bench is where he can make a killing next year-backing up Kemba

[HairyGOATee]

This thread didn't age well, lol.

[HairyGOATee]

Anyone think Brunson can be our eventual starting PG? He's putting up good numbers as of late. Like all-rookie 2nd team good.

It’s hard to say after only one season. He played beyond expectations, but I don’t know if I’d want him starting game 1 of next year. First off the bench is where he can make a killing next year-backing up Kemba

I like him off the bench too, but he would grow as a starter for sure. Kemba may stay in Charlotte since they may offer him the supermax. If that's the case, then I'd consider keeping Brunson as the starter and bringing in a guy like Beverley to be the gritty backup. Re-sign Devin Harris and JJ Barea too since Carlisle loves those guys, and maybe Macon can get some reps at PG.

lol but on a more serious note, let's wait and see what happens.

[Pinkyring]

This thread didn't age well, lol.

It aged fine at the time we already had 2 pgs ahead of him on the depth chart and possibly resigning yogi, regardless we didnt need a third pg, he is a career backup.

[HairyGOATee]

This thread didn't age well, lol.

It aged fine at the time we already had 2 pgs ahead of him on the depth chart and possibly resigning yogi, regardless we didnt need a third pg, he is a career backup.

If we look at it this way, then mostly everything ages well.

I think you are probably right about Brunson, but I like his game. Savvy player. Gotta like those types of guys.

[Lowtech801]

This thread didn't age well, lol.

It aged fine at the time we already had 2 pgs ahead of him on the depth chart and possibly resigning yogi, regardless we didnt need a third pg, he is a career backup.

It's pretty rare to find a starter in the 2nd round.

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