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Post#161 » by Archx » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:52 am

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arkuo wrote:Unpopular opinion:

Might be alone on this one, but I feel the team is no where near finished. I do feel we TRY to compete the next season and are better off waiting for 2022 free agency when Beal and Gordon hit the market. No use overpaying for guys like Oladipo. Even with him on board, it is still no enough to get past the Lakers in a 7 game series. So I do feel we will cruise and wait for the right time. With Luka being 21, our timeline is waaaay down there. Let Lebron and KD finish their years, once that's out of the way, we can hope we were able to assemble a team that is ready to compete when the time comes. But for now, I dont see the need to overpay for players that only lets us finish in the middle of the West.

Luka will be over the hills and far away by the time we have finished waiting, same for KP. You can't keep such stars around if you're not going to try to win. We have to get active this year and stop wasting time otherwise we'll go back to a perpetual mediocricy and likely won't draft another Luka.


No matter how hard Mavs will struggle, i believe he's going to be loyal like Dirk. So far, he never took the easy way out or complained about it. The only time i heard him publicly complain about anything was the Bucks game when Rick didn't take the TO.

It's true he landed on a champinship team in Madrid, but that team had a ton of struggles aswell before they won. I understand that people are worried but he loves Dallas and i can't see him taking the easy way out.
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Post#162 » by dirkules_41 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:03 pm

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arkuo wrote:Unpopular opinion:

Might be alone on this one, but I feel the team is no where near finished. I do feel we TRY to compete the next season and are better off waiting for 2022 free agency when Beal and Gordon hit the market. No use overpaying for guys like Oladipo. Even with him on board, it is still no enough to get past the Lakers in a 7 game series. So I do feel we will cruise and wait for the right time. With Luka being 21, our timeline is waaaay down there. Let Lebron and KD finish their years, once that's out of the way, we can hope we were able to assemble a team that is ready to compete when the time comes. But for now, I dont see the need to overpay for players that only lets us finish in the middle of the West.

Luka will be over the hills and far away by the time we have finished waiting, same for KP. You can't keep such stars around if you're not going to try to win. We have to get active this year and stop wasting time otherwise we'll go back to a perpetual mediocricy and likely won't draft another Luka.


No matter how hard Mavs will struggle, i believe he's going to be loyal like Dirk. So far, he never took the easy way out or complained about it. The only time i heard him publicly complain about anything was the Bucks game when Rick didn't take the TO.

It's true he landed on a champinship team in Madrid, but that team had a ton of struggles aswell before they won. I understand that people are worried but he loves Dallas and i can't see him taking the easy way out.

I do think he likes Dallas a lot but if he has to keep playing with scrubs like we currently have on the floor with him that's not gonna cut it. He's a natural born winner and won't accept losing for overly long.
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Post#163 » by Archx » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:10 pm

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dirkules_41 wrote:Luka will be over the hills and far away by the time we have finished waiting, same for KP. You can't keep such stars around if you're not going to try to win. We have to get active this year and stop wasting time otherwise we'll go back to a perpetual mediocricy and likely won't draft another Luka.


No matter how hard Mavs will struggle, i believe he's going to be loyal like Dirk. So far, he never took the easy way out or complained about it. The only time i heard him publicly complain about anything was the Bucks game when Rick didn't take the TO.

It's true he landed on a champinship team in Madrid, but that team had a ton of struggles aswell before they won. I understand that people are worried but he loves Dallas and i can't see him taking the easy way out.

I do think he likes Dallas a lot but if he has to keep playing with scrubs like we currently have on the floor with him that's not gonna cut it. He's a natural born winner and won't accept losing for overly long.


Heh, then you should have seen his team in Madrid when 6 potential starters went down with injuries. Including, at the time, current Euroleague MVP pointguard.

Media and fans thought the season is over and there was a huge dissapointment. Luka didn't complain and stepped up his game, he did the impossible as an 18/19yo and got them in to the playoffs just in time for everyone to return. They won everything later that year. You're underestimating his loyalty and drive to win even with a lesser team. I believe this is also the reason why he wasn't drafted nr1. Mavs recognized what this guy was able to do at such a young age, while other teams sleepwalked and missed out.

I'm not saying i know it all and obviously nothing in life is 100%, BUT from everything we've seen from him so far, i don't think fans should be worried about him leaving.
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Post#164 » by Bob8 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:22 pm

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No matter how hard Mavs will struggle, i believe he's going to be loyal like Dirk. So far, he never took the easy way out or complained about it. The only time i heard him publicly complain about anything was the Bucks game when Rick didn't take the TO.

It's true he landed on a champinship team in Madrid, but that team had a ton of struggles aswell before they won. I understand that people are worried but he loves Dallas and i can't see him taking the easy way out.

I do think he likes Dallas a lot but if he has to keep playing with scrubs like we currently have on the floor with him that's not gonna cut it. He's a natural born winner and won't accept losing for overly long.


Heh, then you should have seen his team in Madrid when 6 potential starters went down with injuries. Including, at the time, current Euroleague MVP pointguard.

Media and fans thought the season is over and there was a huge dissapointment. Luka didn't complain and stepped up his game, he did the impossible as an 18/19yo and got them in to the playoffs just in time for everyone to return. They won everything later that year. You're underestimating his loyalty and drive to win even with a lesser team. I believe this is also the reason why he wasn't drafted nr1. Mavs recognized what this guy was able to do at such a young age, while other teams sleepwalked and missed out.

I'm not saying i know it all and obviously nothing in life is 100%, BUT from everything we've seen from him so far, i don't think fans should be worried about him leaving.


Things has changed a lot from Dirk's time. Stars are changing teams much more frequently. I find it funny that fans believed Mavs can get Giannis, but not believe Luka can leave. People are talking how Mavs can maybe get Jokic. What about Luka going in Denver? Luka will do everything to win in Dallas, but if he find that is impossible, he will leave.
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Post#165 » by Some smartguy » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:54 pm

I'd like Drummond/Dipo, depends on the contracts though. Vic gives them a starting 2 so JRich or THJ can come off the bench, Drummond can help them ar center to get rebounds and play defence.
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Post#166 » by Apz » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:15 pm

Whats the point of drummond really? I mean, will he even be possibke to play in the po? And not high on dipo, specially if its true that hr didnt want to resign in indy because the ball wouldnt go only thru him
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Post#167 » by dirkforpres » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:38 pm

Apz wrote:Whats the point of drummond really? I mean, will he even be possibke to play in the po? And not high on dipo, specially if its true that hr didnt want to resign in indy because the ball wouldnt go only thru him


The point of Drummond is that he can do everything WCS or Powell can do, but much much better. I can’t handle any more bobbled passes and missed dunks. It’s going to get highlighted by any coach in a 7 game series and Dallas will get brutalized in the paint time and time again. Get Luka and the Mavs a competent big man that can rebound, set screens, be a rim runner, and contest a shot and they have a good shot of finally moving past round 1 again
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Post#168 » by Pinkyring » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:55 pm

I'd like to add Conley or Lowry and otto porter jr this summer, a healthy dipo however is my preference
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Post#169 » by Apz » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:55 am

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Apz wrote:Whats the point of drummond really? I mean, will he even be possibke to play in the po? And not high on dipo, specially if its true that hr didnt want to resign in indy because the ball wouldnt go only thru him


The point of Drummond is that he can do everything WCS or Powell can do, but much much better. I can’t handle any more bobbled passes and missed dunks. It’s going to get highlighted by any coach in a 7 game series and Dallas will get brutalized in the paint time and time again. Get Luka and the Mavs a competent big man that can rebound, set screens, be a rim runner, and contest a shot and they have a good shot of finally moving past round 1 again


Its not as bad as boban, but drummond will be targeted in the playoff, and wcs and powell atleast can move pretty well if they get dragged out.

Drummond is not a paintdefender, barely a defender at all. And costs x10 of WCS and on top of that takes more shots then Luka. Would take like 2 quarters before mavs fans would go mental on him
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Post#170 » by dirkforpres » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:45 am

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Apz wrote:Whats the point of drummond really? I mean, will he even be possibke to play in the po? And not high on dipo, specially if its true that hr didnt want to resign in indy because the ball wouldnt go only thru him


The point of Drummond is that he can do everything WCS or Powell can do, but much much better. I can’t handle any more bobbled passes and missed dunks. It’s going to get highlighted by any coach in a 7 game series and Dallas will get brutalized in the paint time and time again. Get Luka and the Mavs a competent big man that can rebound, set screens, be a rim runner, and contest a shot and they have a good shot of finally moving past round 1 again


Its not as bad as boban, but drummond will be targeted in the playoff, and wcs and powell atleast can move pretty well if they get dragged out.

Drummond is not a paintdefender, barely a defender at all. And costs x10 of WCS and on top of that takes more shots then Luka. Would take like 2 quarters before mavs fans would go mental on him


Well he’s expiring so worst case scenario is cutting bait with him at the seasons end. By all accounts, he’s a good teammate though so getting him to buy into a different role than what he has in Cleveland might not be difficult either. I’m already sick of WCS, Boban, and Powell so I’m ready to give literally anyone else a try
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Post#171 » by Apz » Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:12 am

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The point of Drummond is that he can do everything WCS or Powell can do, but much much better. I can’t handle any more bobbled passes and missed dunks. It’s going to get highlighted by any coach in a 7 game series and Dallas will get brutalized in the paint time and time again. Get Luka and the Mavs a competent big man that can rebound, set screens, be a rim runner, and contest a shot and they have a good shot of finally moving past round 1 again


Its not as bad as boban, but drummond will be targeted in the playoff, and wcs and powell atleast can move pretty well if they get dragged out.

Drummond is not a paintdefender, barely a defender at all. And costs x10 of WCS and on top of that takes more shots then Luka. Would take like 2 quarters before mavs fans would go mental on him


Well he’s expiring so worst case scenario is cutting bait with him at the seasons end. By all accounts, he’s a good teammate though so getting him to buy into a different role than what he has in Cleveland might not be difficult either. I’m already sick of WCS, Boban, and Powell so I’m ready to give literally anyone else a try


Got nothing against him and would give him a try, but it will be the only move we can make and that is cavs take back like powell, johnson, and something more like boban i guess for some pick compensation. Not easy to match salary without giving up value
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Post#172 » by dirkforpres » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:37 am

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dirkforpres wrote:
Apz wrote:
Its not as bad as boban, but drummond will be targeted in the playoff, and wcs and powell atleast can move pretty well if they get dragged out.

Drummond is not a paintdefender, barely a defender at all. And costs x10 of WCS and on top of that takes more shots then Luka. Would take like 2 quarters before mavs fans would go mental on him


Well he’s expiring so worst case scenario is cutting bait with him at the seasons end. By all accounts, he’s a good teammate though so getting him to buy into a different role than what he has in Cleveland might not be difficult either. I’m already sick of WCS, Boban, and Powell so I’m ready to give literally anyone else a try


Got nothing against him and would give him a try, but it will be the only move we can make and that is cavs take back like powell, johnson, and something more like boban i guess for some pick compensation. Not easy to match salary without giving up value


Considering what Cleveland paid for him, I assume Powell, Johnson, and 2 2nds is about what Dallas would offer and what Cleveland would expect
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Post#173 » by Some smartguy » Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:30 pm

Sign one of Drummond/Dipo/DeRozan and resign THJ and JRich
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Post#174 » by Some smartguy » Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:34 pm

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dirkforpres wrote:
Apz wrote:
Its not as bad as boban, but drummond will be targeted in the playoff, and wcs and powell atleast can move pretty well if they get dragged out.

Drummond is not a paintdefender, barely a defender at all. And costs x10 of WCS and on top of that takes more shots then Luka. Would take like 2 quarters before mavs fans would go mental on him


Well he’s expiring so worst case scenario is cutting bait with him at the seasons end. By all accounts, he’s a good teammate though so getting him to buy into a different role than what he has in Cleveland might not be difficult either. I’m already sick of WCS, Boban, and Powell so I’m ready to give literally anyone else a try


Got nothing against him and would give him a try, but it will be the only move we can make and that is cavs take back like powell, johnson, and something more like boban i guess for some pick compensation. Not easy to match salary without giving up value

Or the Mavs could just sign him. He's a UFA this offseason. Not a single player on the Mavs other than Luka has played good offense this season, he takes around the same shots as KP and a lot of those come off of multiple putbacks. He just fills a lot of the holes the Mavericks have and isn't constantly injured like most of the semi-decent current big men on the roster.
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Post#175 » by Apz » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:17 am

We played 11 games now right? First 5 is like a normal preseason, rest we have missed most of our good players. What do u want? That 4 rookies and iwundu should look like allstars? He might fill some holes but he also created holes. And who is this semidecent big man u talk about? We havent had a single injury to our frontcourt this seasson that I can remember.

If we could get him for spare parts, fine.But I dont want mavs to be the team that overpays him this summer. Some **** team will look at the boxscore and throw him 20-25m. 12-15 is my ceiling for a guy like that, but not sure we even will have thatkind of money to throw at him without losing other pieces.
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Post#176 » by Mike lorenzo » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:08 pm

Please don't pay Dru ... KP should be our 5. as a backup guy. 5/8/10 million maximum should be enough. Theiss / Holmes / Zeller I think they expire ... (Favors I liked this year) and they won't be expensive .. Maybe Baynes is available ...? ..
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Post#177 » by arkuo » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:02 pm

Crazy idea:

If we manage to somehow dump Powell's contract. Anyone think a Lowry and Derozan reunion in Dallas can be successful? Obviously they would not be paid as much as their old contracts, but certainly around 18 to 20M per I would think.
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Post#178 » by Mr B » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:27 pm

Pinkyring wrote:I'd like to add Conley or Lowry and otto porter jr this summer, a healthy dipo however is my preference

What about Patty Mills? He’ll be available too in 2021 as an UFA. Just saying if they don’t go with Conley or Lowrey.


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Post#179 » by Mr B » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:45 pm

dirkforpres wrote:
Apz wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:
The point of Drummond is that he can do everything WCS or Powell can do, but much much better. I can’t handle any more bobbled passes and missed dunks. It’s going to get highlighted by any coach in a 7 game series and Dallas will get brutalized in the paint time and time again. Get Luka and the Mavs a competent big man that can rebound, set screens, be a rim runner, and contest a shot and they have a good shot of finally moving past round 1 again


Its not as bad as boban, but drummond will be targeted in the playoff, and wcs and powell atleast can move pretty well if they get dragged out.

Drummond is not a paintdefender, barely a defender at all. And costs x10 of WCS and on top of that takes more shots then Luka. Would take like 2 quarters before mavs fans would go mental on him


Well he’s expiring so worst case scenario is cutting bait with him at the seasons end. By all accounts, he’s a good teammate though so getting him to buy into a different role than what he has in Cleveland might not be difficult either. I’m already sick of WCS, Boban, and Powell so I’m ready to give literally anyone else a try

You’re sick of WCS? He’s been probably the Mavs best bench player this season and one of their best defenders. Not to mention he seems to have figured out what he needs to do to tap into his potential. He’s another project big (former lotto pick) that Carlisle seems to have put on the right track. Powell and Boban I totally agree with though.


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Post#180 » by Mr B » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:48 pm

Some smartguy wrote:
Apz wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:
Well he’s expiring so worst case scenario is cutting bait with him at the seasons end. By all accounts, he’s a good teammate though so getting him to buy into a different role than what he has in Cleveland might not be difficult either. I’m already sick of WCS, Boban, and Powell so I’m ready to give literally anyone else a try


Got nothing against him and would give him a try, but it will be the only move we can make and that is cavs take back like powell, johnson, and something more like boban i guess for some pick compensation. Not easy to match salary without giving up value

Or the Mavs could just sign him. He's a UFA this offseason. Not a single player on the Mavs other than Luka has played good offense this season, he takes around the same shots as KP and a lot of those come off of multiple putbacks. He just fills a lot of the holes the Mavericks have and isn't constantly injured like most of the semi-decent current big men on the roster.

Since he’s UFA in the off season I would just wait to sign him then along with a guy like Patty Mills who is also UFA. The only reason to trade for him is if you think you have zero shot at signing him in the off season.


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