Woj: Jalen Brunson to Sign 4-yr/$110M Deal with Knicks

[deb]

Knicks just made a huge mistake. Brunson seems like a good locker room guy and he can definitely score, but he’s undersized and a scarecrow on defense. They basically just paid starting PG money for someone who is not a starting PG caliber player. The Mavs dodged a bullet on this one. If they would have signed him for a 4 year 55 million contract that they could have done earlier that would have been fine. But that is a bonkers contract.

I do believe we dodged a bullet longterm but it's disappointing we lose him for nothing.

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Knicks fan and it looks like half your team came from us. We've always had a pretty good relationship. I was actually sorry to see Timmy and Frank leave. KP was a calculated gamble that almost had to be taken. We all hated KP for what he "did to us", loyalty wise.

I think not signing Brunson earlier, when you had the chance, was a colossal mistake (on Cuban), but it happens to all of us. The Knicks probably resign Mitchell Robinson, but he was in EXACTLY the same situation as Brunson. Knicks pushed it off and now are paying.

From Brunson's perspective it is clear - he wants to lead a team and be The PG. That isn't going to happen with Luka. The best thing you guys can do is to get a great combo guard (who plays high level defense) next to Luka. Brunson knows he was trade fodder if he stayed in Dallas. That was most likely the reason they didn't resign him, they were hoping for a superstar trade.

I'm happy with got Brunson for free as opposed to giving up the farm like Atlanta did for Murray. (And he is a bad shooter, but a great stats guy.)

I'm not even sure if the Knicks will offer Fournier or even a TPE now as it is in NY's best interests to make that 23' Dallas 1st round pick the best it can be. But to avoid bad blood, I'd offer Fournier. Brunson is an All Star on Defense compared to Fournier, but boy can Fournier shoot and he can create his own shot as well.

Lastly, Brunson is a VERY good PG. I don't see many NY fans having a problem with him. We haven't had a PG as good as Brunson in decades. He handles the ball on a string, is incredibly efficient at finishing and is a very strong (40%) 3pt shooter (albeit at only 3 attempts a game.) His defense is good, but he is relatively short so is going to get abused by taller guards. He tries but so does Fournier - only so much you can do with genetics.

Good luck to you guys. You are lucky to have Luka. Fun generational player to watch.

Dallas can only take back half of Brunson's contract in a S&T, so Fournier is not an option. Wouldn't want him on the mavs anyway, unless the Knicks took back THJ or Bertans...

As for the Brunson going to NYK, I feel like it's a f*** you burn bridges type move, they could've given Burks and a second round pick in a sign and trade to Dallas, but they rather traded Burks and Noel with a couple of second rounders to the Pistons.

Unless it's the mavs FO's incompetence that made them refuse such an offer, wouldn't surprise me either, really...

Also, wouldn't surprise me if the Knicks get docked a second rounder for tampering.

[Apz]

Knicks just made a huge mistake. Brunson seems like a good locker room guy and he can definitely score, but he’s undersized and a scarecrow on defense. They basically just paid starting PG money for someone who is not a starting PG caliber player. The Mavs dodged a bullet on this one. If they would have signed him for a 4 year 55 million contract that they could have done earlier that would have been fine. But that is a bonkers contract.

I do believe we dodged a bullet longterm but it's disappointing we lose him for nothing.

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Knicks fan and it looks like half your team came from us. We've always had a pretty good relationship. I was actually sorry to see Timmy and Frank leave. KP was a calculated gamble that almost had to be taken. We all hated KP for what he "did to us", loyalty wise.

I think not signing Brunson earlier, when you had the chance, was a colossal mistake (on Cuban), but it happens to all of us. The Knicks probably resign Mitchell Robinson, but he was in EXACTLY the same situation as Brunson. Knicks pushed it off and now are paying.

From Brunson's perspective it is clear - he wants to lead a team and be The PG. That isn't going to happen with Luka. The best thing you guys can do is to get a great combo guard (who plays high level defense) next to Luka. Brunson knows he was trade fodder if he stayed in Dallas. That was most likely the reason they didn't resign him, they were hoping for a superstar trade.

I'm happy with got Brunson for free as opposed to giving up the farm like Atlanta did for Murray. (And he is a bad shooter, but a great stats guy.)

I'm not even sure if the Knicks will offer Fournier or even a TPE now as it is in NY's best interests to make that 23' Dallas 1st round pick the best it can be. But to avoid bad blood, I'd offer Fournier. Brunson is an All Star on Defense compared to Fournier, but boy can Fournier shoot and he can create his own shot as well.

Lastly, Brunson is a VERY good PG. I don't see many NY fans having a problem with him. We haven't had a PG as good as Brunson in decades. He handles the ball on a string, is incredibly efficient at finishing and is a very strong (40%) 3pt shooter (albeit at only 3 attempts a game.) His defense is good, but he is relatively short so is going to get abused by taller guards. He tries but so does Fournier - only so much you can do with genetics.

Good luck to you guys. You are lucky to have Luka. Fun generational player to watch.

Have ahard time seeing fournier. He costs too much for what he brings, add huge luxtax on that and he isnt worth it unless mavs get compensated.

[SOUNDCHASER]

yeah he is a slacker for sure. What I like about our team is anyone can step up and be the guy and so we have a lot of guys that can do the thing that ends up contributing to our winning a game. We are 2 deep at every position now I cannot even find a position to put him so that he would play over any of our guys on the second team let alone the starters.

[SOUNDCHASER]

[41Dirk41]

[ScienceOfLosing]

I do believe we dodged a bullet longterm but it's disappointing we lose him for nothing.

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Knicks fan and it looks like half your team came from us. We've always had a pretty good relationship. I was actually sorry to see Timmy and Frank leave. KP was a calculated gamble that almost had to be taken. We all hated KP for what he "did to us", loyalty wise.

I think not signing Brunson earlier, when you had the chance, was a colossal mistake (on Cuban), but it happens to all of us. The Knicks probably resign Mitchell Robinson, but he was in EXACTLY the same situation as Brunson. Knicks pushed it off and now are paying.

From Brunson's perspective it is clear - he wants to lead a team and be The PG. That isn't going to happen with Luka. The best thing you guys can do is to get a great combo guard (who plays high level defense) next to Luka. Brunson knows he was trade fodder if he stayed in Dallas. That was most likely the reason they didn't resign him, they were hoping for a superstar trade.

I'm happy with got Brunson for free as opposed to giving up the farm like Atlanta did for Murray. (And he is a bad shooter, but a great stats guy.)

I'm not even sure if the Knicks will offer Fournier or even a TPE now as it is in NY's best interests to make that 23' Dallas 1st round pick the best it can be. But to avoid bad blood, I'd offer Fournier. Brunson is an All Star on Defense compared to Fournier, but boy can Fournier shoot and he can create his own shot as well.

Lastly, Brunson is a VERY good PG. I don't see many NY fans having a problem with him. We haven't had a PG as good as Brunson in decades. He handles the ball on a string, is incredibly efficient at finishing and is a very strong (40%) 3pt shooter (albeit at only 3 attempts a game.) His defense is good, but he is relatively short so is going to get abused by taller guards. He tries but so does Fournier - only so much you can do with genetics.

Good luck to you guys. You are lucky to have Luka. Fun generational player to watch.

Dallas can only take back half of Brunson's contract in a S&T, so Fournier is not an option. Wouldn't want him on the mavs anyway, unless the Knicks took back THJ or Bertans...

As for the Brunson going to NYK, I feel like it's a f*** you burn bridges type move, they could've given Burks and a second round pick in a sign and trade to Dallas, but they rather traded Burks and Noel with a couple of second rounders to the Pistons.

Unless it's the mavs FO's incompetence that made them refuse such an offer, wouldn't surprise me either, really...

Also, wouldn't surprise me if the Knicks get docked a second rounder for tampering.

Looks like the Knicks signed Brunson to a descending contract with the first year at 28 or so million. I believe that qualifies to take Fournier back. TBH I think the Knicks should just bring Fournier off the bench and flip him and Julius before the trade deadline should they be able to.

They wouldn't have been able to move Noel without Burks. It was nothing personal with Dallas as we've always helped one another out. Honestly, looking from the outside, this is ALL on Cuban. He had a couple of chances to sign Brunson but didn't (as he wanted to trade Brunson for a superstar but didn't see him blowing up like this.)

Would be VERY nice if you guys get a TPE from the Knicks as you are over the cap. Thing is, why do the Knicks do it if they want a better pick from you in 23'. That could cause things to go sour.

With Luka there, the talent will come but not at the PG position - just doesn't make sense.

Good luck to you guys though, love the team.

[Douglas McClure]

Please let the Jalen Brunson's signing play out. As a knicks fan, I want it to work out and takes us to the next level. However, if it doesn't, he is still going to get his money but there goes Leon Rose's job.

[Bob8]

Please let the Jalen Brunson's signing play out. As a knicks fan, I want it to work out and takes us to the next level. However, if it doesn't, he is still going to get his money but there goes Leon Rose's job.

Brunson is a good player, but will be in totally wrong situation in New York. He needs great spacing and patience from the fans. He won't get either. He will get fantastic money though.

[Douglas McClure]

Please let the Jalen Brunson's signing play out. As a knicks fan, I want it to work out and takes us to the next level. However, if it doesn't, he is still going to get his money but there goes Leon Rose's job.

Brunson is a good player, but will be in totally wrong situation in New York. He needs great spacing and patience from the fans. He won't get either. He will get fantastic money though.

It is up to the coach to create spacing for him so he can thrive. If not, the coach will have to go, after that big of an investment

[SOUNDCHASER]

Space with Woods at the 4/5 is going to exist a lot more now. Whoever we play at PG when Woods is playing is going to work a lot less to get open if they are not Luka who other teams may double. Luka will see his scoring increase when Woods is in there.

[tmorgan]

I dob’t think Dinwiddie is necessarily a better player than Brunson, but I do think he’s better next to Luka. But I’m a Mayor stan.

[SOUNDCHASER]

Any relation to Stan the man?

[tribulations]

Happy for JB, and at that price happy for Dallas. He might outplay his contract, who knows, but this feels like the right outcome for all sides. Would have loved to keep him but we whiffed on our earlier chances for 4/c.54-64 and it is what it is. Onto the next.

[SOUNDCHASER]

Watch on YouTube

[Captain_Obvious]

"we can pay him the most"
to
"he deserves it"

Cuban is a fraud

[arkuo]

Happy for JB, and at that price happy for Dallas. He might outplay his contract, who knows, but this feels like the right outcome for all sides. Would have loved to keep him but we whiffed on our earlier chances for 4/c.54-64 and it is what it is. Onto the next.

Knicks risking it all for a core of Randle - Brunson - Barrett. All 3 will be on full max contracts soon. 2025 play in champs!

[arkuo]

"we can pay him the most"
to
"he deserves it"

Cuban is a fraud

Something tells me he never really wanted the guy. From all these years we knew Cuban, he never really takes a liking to players snooping around his wallet.

He, however favors guys who just stay regardless of the amount. See Dirk. Unfair for the players' side considering how much he makes, but it is what it is now.

[Apz]

"we can pay him the most"
to
"he deserves it"

Cuban is a fraud

How is hea fraud from those statements?

[SOUNDCHASER]

I truly think the Cuban was able to do what everyone with half a brain could do and that is logically evaluate the situation enough to make an educated guess that Jalen is less likely to live up to that contract.

If he looked at the stats he knows that contract is not a good deal to pursue since JB only produced in a few play off games and not over a period of extended time to show the kind of value required to justify such a contract. He never consistently performed at that level for any real length of time but hey he got offered a big paycheck so I cannot fault him for taking that offer. Luka was being doubled and the team was deep so somebody was bound to have a good game besides Luka.

[Captain_Obvious]

"we can pay him the most"
to
"he deserves it"

Cuban is a fraud

How is hea fraud from those statements?

All this lip service BS. He is not committed in improving this team any way possible and I'm tired of seeing him pretending otherwise. I see an owner afraid of the tax with a superstar locked up on a supermax. Make room for someone who wants to bring titles to Dallas. Yes that's plural Mark, not singular somewhere in 2030+. If Jalen deserves that contract in New York so much, why did you offer less? It takes some chuzpe to actually show up in NY because you just happen to be around and offer less. Nah, fly back to Dallas you little ****.

And if Jalen doesn't live up to it. So **** what? This offseason was meant to be the primer for 2023 offseason with a bunch of picks available. And we get a big **** F instead.